Local family's emergency trip to hospital interrupted by protestors
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Someone should go tell [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches"]the surviving Civil Rights protestors[/URL] that blocking a road is completely unacceptable.
Unless, of course, we're just saying it's extra bad because we disagree with their protest. If the article were about an NSA protest or an anti-banking protest or an anti-Obama protest I can't help but feel the reaction here would be a little different.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41496848]btw guys "civil disobedience", nowadays a major part of any social movement, requires the action to be illegal and disruptive in order to fit the definition. civil disobedience is what gandhi and mlk jr. are both famous for. rosa park's refusal to move from her seat was an act of civil disobedience.
[editline]17th July 2013[/editline]
so "it's illegal" is a weak fucking argument against the validity of any protester's actions.[/QUOTE]
a) It's illegal to block state/federal highways/freeways for any reason wether it be protesting or not unless it's been approved (even then, it's probably still p. illegal)
b) pretty sure blocking a highway which possibly thousands of people use every day to go to school, work, the hospital counts as being disruptive???
that's a legitimate question, btw. i don't think it's a good thing someone was seriously put in danger by an act of civil disobedience.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41496848]btw guys "civil disobedience", nowadays a major part of any social movement, requires the action to be illegal and disruptive in order to fit the definition. civil disobedience is what gandhi and mlk jr. are both famous for. rosa park's refusal to move from her seat was an act of civil disobedience.
[editline]17th July 2013[/editline]
so "it's illegal" is a weak fucking argument against the validity of any protester's actions.[/QUOTE]
You're not wrong, but a pretty important part of [I]constructive[/I] civil disobedience is that it not cause serious risk to innocent people. Rosa Parks occupying her bus seat didn't keep any families from getting to the hospital. It's not to say that there were no instances of civil disobedience gone awry, but when your "inconveniences" start becoming "serious dangers," then you've crossed a line and need to reel it in.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41496908]do you have an idea that might be a useful compromise? action that disrupts society, breaks laws, but can prevent endangering a bystander's life?[/QUOTE]
Well I dunno, protesting in a city park, in front of the town hall...
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41496914]a) It's illegal to block state/federal highways/freeways for any reason wether it be protesting or not unless it's been approved
b) pretty sure blocking a highway which possibly thousands of people use every day to go to school, work, the hospital counts as being disruptive???[/QUOTE]
some of the most effective instances of protest in history have been illegal and gotten people put in jail. the legality of an act does not say [i]anything[/i] about the validity of the act by itself.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41496579]This thread is stupid. Calling people "traybots" is stupid. Pretending that filling up a road during a protest meant they were intentionally trying to keep people from getting to the hospital is stupid. The outcome of the Zimmerman trial has made SH really fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, i'm not the only one who see this.
The people who are looting and beating white people are not really trayvon supporters, they are rioting just to riot. Most of these protests are peaceful except for LA and a few gangs of idiots.
SH always bitch about how the media was blindly choosing sides and misinforming this whole ordeal and now SH is getting easily pulled into biased and calling the whole group of supporters "traybots" because you heard of a small group of people beating a innocent person.
SH turned into /pol/
I don't care if Zman trial was right or not, the hypocrisy of both sides are sad.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41496936]some of the most effective instances of protest in history have been illegal and gotten people put in jail. the legality of an act does not say [i]anything[/i] about the validity of the act by itself.[/QUOTE]
ok so tell us, what exactly are they protesting and how is it justifiable to break the law?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41496908]do you have an idea that might be a useful compromise? action that disrupts society, breaks laws, but can prevent endangering a bystander's life?[/QUOTE]
Girl's life < Mob Justice (Post trial)
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41496920]You're not wrong, but a pretty important part of [I]constructive[/I] civil disobedience is that it not cause serious risk to innocent people. Rosa Parks occupying her bus seat didn't keep any families from getting to the hospital. It's not to say that there were no instances of civil disobedience gone awry, but when your "inconveniences" start becoming "serious dangers," then you've crossed a line and need to reel it in.[/QUOTE]
i agree and that's why i would rather explore alternative ideas that might facilitate a safer civil disturbance.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;41496927]Well I dunno, protesting in a city park, in front of the town hall...[/QUOTE]
how are these things particularly disruptive to society? especially if the protesters get proper permits for their protest. seems pretty ineffective to me.
What's the reasoning behind naming protestors "traybots"?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41496908]do you have an idea that might be a useful compromise? action that disrupts society, breaks laws, but can prevent endangering a bystander's life?[/QUOTE]
yeah I have an idea, not blocking any roads that lead to hospitals
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how are these things particularly disruptive to society? especially if the protesters get proper permits for their protest. seems pretty ineffective to me.[/QUOTE]
well for one thing they're not blocking highways that are used by thousands of people as a lifeline who probably don't give a shit what they're protesting about and just want to get to school/work.
Lamar, how do you REALLY feel about black people?
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41496759]excuse me, nippleman, but that's a plaza not a street???[/QUOTE]
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Yea it's like they are magically teleported there or something, it's not like they MARCHED to washington or anything.
If you are going to act like a smartass atleast know your history.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;41496947]ok so tell us, what exactly are they protesting and how is it justifiable to break the law?[/QUOTE]
i could give you a bunch of different answers because a lot of people there have different reasons for wanting to protest. it would be better to just go ask people who are actively engaging in civil unrest, you will get better answers.
the justification for them to break the law really mostly depends on whether you feel the protest is legitimate, tbh. it's easier to justify civil disobedience from a civil rights group than it is from a neo-nazi group. that said, i personally believe that the purpose of their protest has little to do with whether their tactics are valid. my point is that you can't criticize these guys for using tactics that have been used by virtually every egalitarian movement since gandhi popularized them.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41496848]btw guys "civil disobedience", nowadays a major part of any social movement, requires the action to be illegal and disruptive in order to fit the definition. civil disobedience is what gandhi and mlk jr. are both famous for. rosa park's refusal to move from her seat was an act of civil disobedience.[/QUOTE]
Laws exist for a reason. Gandhi's walk to the sea was illegal but it was illegal because the British wanted to have stronger control over India, it wasn't a safety precaution.
[QUOTE=Iago;41496943]Thank you, i'm not the only one who see this.
The people who are looting and beating white people are not really trayvon supporters, they are rioting just to riot. Most of these protests are peaceful except for LA and a few gangs of idiots.
SH always bitch about how the media was blindly choosing sides and misinforming this whole ordeal and now SH is getting easily pulled into biased and calling the whole group of supporters "traybots" because you heard of a small group of people beating a innocent person.
SH turned into /pol/
I don't care if Zman trial was right or not, the hypocrisy of both sides are sad.[/QUOTE]
You are a funny man to talk about hypocrisy, Iago. Was it not just last week you were actively calling for riots?
[QUOTE=Iago;41421428]He will be declare innocent for all charges. Good news is that my fellow black panthers will tear shit up. Teach those white knights faggots a lesson. This will be bigger than the LA riots.[/QUOTE]
unless you also want to denouce the civil rights movement and the indian independence movement, just to name two.
[QUOTE=katbug;41496742]"mods please help my one dimensional and incorrect argument"
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It's less this specific thread and more the absurd racism and downright terrible posts and threads people are making in the wake the verdict, Lamar in particular with his constant Traybot threads.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41497015]Laws exist for a reason. Gandhi's walk to the sea was illegal but it was illegal because the British wanted to have stronger control over India, it wasn't a safety precaution.[/QUOTE]
therefore, the law is not a good indicator of the morality of an action. you should judge whether an act is valid based on your own personal judgement, not whether legislators say it's ok.
that post is specifically directed to the people criticizing the protest primarily because it was engaging in illegal activities.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41496959]What's the reasoning behind naming protestors "traybots"?[/QUOTE]
To push his agenda of labeling everyone who could remotely take issue with the case as mindless drones.
This comes after weeks of crying about [B]The Media[/B] and it's dishonest reporting.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41496959]What's the reasoning behind naming protestors "traybots"?[/QUOTE]
I assume that it's meant to liken them to robots who are blindly following "Trayvon's cause" with no real knowledge of any of the case, circumstances, or otherwise.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41497032]unless you also want to denouce the civil rights movement and the indian independence movement, just to name two.[/QUOTE]
both of those protests had a legitimate reason to protest. What is there to protest with this??? The trial is done and over with. Nothing that they say or do will change it and being asshats out in the middle of the road isn't helping any.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41496959]What's the reasoning behind naming protestors "traybots"?[/QUOTE]
So they can try to put them down due to them not having the same opinions on Facepunch, it should be banable imo.
How would they like it if I call ALL Zman supporters "Zimmerheads"?
[QUOTE=Iago;41497008][img]http://media-3.web.britannica.com/eb-media/46/7546-004-7F54297C.jpg[/IMG]
Yea it's like they are magically teleported there or something, it's not like they MARCHED to washington or anything.
If you are going to act like a smartass atleast know your history.[/QUOTE]
We need King now more then ever.
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This comes after weeks of crying about [B]The Media[/B] and it's dishonest reporting.[/QUOTE]
You have to admit there is a difference between labeling Trayvon Martin supporters as "Traybots", stupid as it is, and outright modifying audio tapes to make Zimmerman sound like a hick racist.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41497072]both of those protests had a legitimate reason to protest. What is there to protest with this??? The trial is done and over with. Nothing that they say or do will change it and being asshats out in the middle of the road isn't helping any.[/QUOTE]
They're trying to protest that ol' Georgie's acquittal is a symptom of a larger disease, in this case that the justice system is biased against black people.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497074]So they can try to put them down due to them not having the same opinions on Facepunch, it should be banable imo. I call ALL Zman supporters "Zimmerheads"?[/QUOTE]
Traybots does put them down. Gives the idea that they aren't thinking straight and just blindly doing what they're told.
The term for Zimmerman supporters is Zimmermen. It does sound a bit more noble.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41496977]well for one thing they're not blocking highways that are used by thousands of people as a lifeline who probably don't give a shit what they're protesting about and just want to get to school/work.[/QUOTE]
that doesn't answer how the act is disruptive to people's everyday life. in fact, you seem to imply it isn't particularly disruptive, which means that it isn't a very good compromise at all.
personally i would think "mic checks" of government functions would be a great way to disrupt the flow of society without really endangering life. it would be pretty effective if a couple dozen protesters stormed a courthouse and were able to temporarily disrupt court hearings.
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