• Local family's emergency trip to hospital interrupted by protestors
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41497100]Traybots does put them down. [B]Gives the idea that they aren't thinking straight and just blindly doing what they're told.[/B] The term for Zimmerman supporters is Zimmermen. It does sound a bit more noble.[/QUOTE] They are.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41497072]both of those protests had a legitimate reason to protest. What is there to protest with this??? The trial is done and over with. Nothing that they say or do will change it and being asshats out in the middle of the road isn't helping any.[/QUOTE] so the only factor deciding whether a particular act of civil disobedience is valid or not is whether kai-ryuu finds the protest legitimate? seems silly to me.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41497103][b]that doesn't answer how the act is disruptive to people's everyday life[/b]. in fact, you seem to imply it isn't particularly disruptive, which means that it isn't a very good compromise at all. personally i would think "mic checks" of government functions would be a great way to disrupt the flow of society without really endangering life. it would be pretty effective if a couple dozen protesters stormed a courthouse and were able to temporarily disrupt court hearings.[/QUOTE] PEOPLE USE HIGHWAY TO GO PLACES. PEOPLE BLOCK HIGHWAY. PEOPLE ON HIGHWAY NOT ABLE TO GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE IT BLOCKED.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;41497042]It's less this specific thread and more the absurd racism and downright terrible posts and threads people are making in the wake the verdict, Lamar in particular with his constant Traybot threads.[/QUOTE] It's like someone's been advertising rust keys on /pol/.
[QUOTE=lolz3;41497115]They are.[/QUOTE] Yeah, its not like there's any major racial issues regarding the justice system that these protests are about. Those negros are just bitter over losing a small case.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497008][img]http://media-3.web.britannica.com/eb-media/46/7546-004-7F54297C.jpg[/IMG] Yea it's like they are magically teleported there or something, it's not like they MARCHED to washington or anything. If you are going to act like a smartass atleast know your history.[/QUOTE] Comparing this to the Civil Rights movement is an insult to the Civil Rights movement.
[QUOTE=Thlis;41497086]You have to admit there is a difference between labeling Trayvon Martin supporters as "Traybots", stupid as it is, and outright modifying audio tapes to make Zimmerman sound like a hick racist.[/QUOTE] btw one network did that and fired the individuals involved. Not some intern either, they fired a producer, which is big in the news media world. it doesn't make what Lamar is doing any less dishonest or less transparent.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41496959]What's the reasoning behind naming protestors "traybots"?[/QUOTE] They are called traybots because they have been programmed by the MSM and civil rights leaders for a year to believe that this whole ordeal has been a massive race scandal instead of an open and shut case of self-defense. Now they are essentially marching by command from people like Sharpton and facebook pages such as "JusticeForTrayvon". Seems pretty robotic to me, they are not thinking for themselves. All the evidence suggests that George acted in self-defense, but they still playing by the same false narrative that was drilled into peoples' heads a year ago. And let me be clear, the term is not exclusive to black people by any means.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41497138]PEOPLE USE HIGHWAY TO GO PLACES. PEOPLE BLOCK HIGHWAY. PEOPLE ON HIGHWAY NOT ABLE TO GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE IT BLOCKED.[/QUOTE] i'm asking for alternatives that are also disruptive. the fact that blocking a highway is disruptive is a good thing as far as effectiveness as an act of civil disobedience goes. so instead of blocking a highway, what could protesters do that would disrupt life for people, but also not endanger life?
[QUOTE=lolz3;41497115]They are.[/QUOTE] "Everybody with different opinions than me are stupid mindless drones, i'm the only smart human being in the country"
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41497175]i'm asking for alternatives that are also disruptive. the fact that blocking a highway is disruptive is a good thing as far as effectiveness as an act of civil disobedience goes. so instead of blocking a highway, what could protesters do that would disrupt life for people, but also not endanger life?[/QUOTE] - parks - state capitols - police stations you don't need to block a public roadway in order to get your protests point of view across.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41497175]i'm asking for alternatives that are also disruptive. the fact that blocking a highway is disruptive is a good thing as far as effectiveness as an act of civil disobedience goes. so instead of blocking a highway, what could protesters do that would disrupt life for people, but also not endanger life?[/QUOTE] OK, how about [I]any city road that isn't a highway[/I] You know how cities have grid-layout streets? That means you can get around active protests!
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;41497015]Laws exist for a reason. Gandhi's walk to the sea was illegal but it was illegal because the British wanted to have stronger control over India, it wasn't a safety precaution.[/QUOTE] It's baffling to hear everyone say "the police is right, laws are here for a reason" when it's about Zimmerman and switch without a second thought to "fuck da police, leak everything" when it's about Snowden.
[QUOTE=joshjet;41497150]Comparing this to the Civil Rights movement is an insult to the Civil Rights movement.[/QUOTE] we are showing how hypocritical it is that you are willing to accept people causing civil disturbances for one movement, but civil disturbances of the same nature are unacceptable to you when in the context of a different movement. either the tactic is valid and moral, or the tactic isn't. the reasoning behind the protest shouldn't be particularly important to whether the acts of civil unrest are moral.
Run them all over, I say. [editline].[/editline] FYI this is a serious statement.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497177]"Everybody with different opinions than me are stupid mindless drones, i'm the only smart human being in the country"[/QUOTE] So calling someone a Traybot, still a stupid name, is wrong but call someone a [QUOTE=Iago;41421428]...those white knights faggots a lesson. [/QUOTE] is alright?
[QUOTE=Lamar;41497166]They are called traybots because they have been programmed by the MSM and civil rights leaders for a year to believe that this whole ordeal has been a massive race scandal instead of an open and shut case of self-defense. Now they are essentially marching by command from people like Sharpton and facebook pages such as "JusticeForTrayvon". Seems pretty robotic to me, they are not thinking for themselves. All the evidence suggests that George acted in self-defense, but they still play by the narrative that was drilled into peoples' heads a year ago.[/QUOTE] Why would anyone want to engage in a scheme like this? What does the media and civil rights leaders have to gain from this, outside of some extremely vaguely-defined "power"? Are they doing this to make whites second-class citizens? Are they doing this to put black supremacists in power? What is the long-term goal of this besides "make me upset about people having a different opinion about something" and gain "power", whatever that's defined as?
[QUOTE=Ziron;41497257]Why would anyone want to engage in a scheme like this? What does the media and civil rights leaders have to gain from this, outside of some extremely vaguely-defined "power"? Are they doing this to make whites second-class citizens? Are they doing this to put black supremacists in power? What is the long-term goal of this besides "make me upset about people having a different opinion about something" and gain "power", whatever that's defined as?[/QUOTE] Media channels are entertainment centers and only benefit from sensationalizing. They don't care about social ramifications - a view is more money in their pocket.
[QUOTE=Lamar;41497166]They are called traybots because they have been programmed by the MSM and civil rights leaders for a year to believe that this whole ordeal has been a massive race scandal instead of an open and shut case of self-defense. Now they are essentially marching by command from people like Sharpton and facebook pages such as "JusticeForTrayvon". Seems pretty robotic to me, they are not thinking for themselves. All the evidence suggests that George acted in self-defense, but they still play by the same false narrative that was drilled into peoples' heads a year ago.[/QUOTE] Do you have any idea how ridiculous you seem painting everyone who takes issue with the verdict as mindless robots being conducted by the mainstream media and civil rights leaders while at the same time complaining about dishonesty?
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;41497221]It's baffling to hear everyone say "the police is right, laws are here for a reason" when it's about Zimmerman and switch without a second thought to "fuck da police, leak everything" when it's about Snowden.[/QUOTE] To which people respond [quote]Facepunch isn't a hivemind[/quote] And the cycle repeats
reading this thread i learned that some people think it's okay to cause harm to people in protest
[QUOTE=Ziron;41497257]Why would anyone want to engage in a scheme like this? What does the media and civil rights leaders have to gain from this, outside of some extremely vaguely-defined "power"? Are they doing this to make whites second-class citizens? Are they doing this to put black supremacists in power? What is the long-term goal of this besides "make me upset about people having a different opinion about something" and gain "power", whatever that's defined as?[/QUOTE] What? You think the media actually planned things? It's simple, they hyped things up to get ratings.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41497205]- parks - state capitols - police stations you don't need to block a public roadway in order to get your protests point of view across.[/QUOTE] but again, you are citing examples that would not be particularly disruptive unless these protesters refused to get permits and rioted against the police when dispersal attempts are made. that is generally a bad idea since it just causes a scene and accomplishes very little as far as societal or economic slowdown is concerned. blocking an interstate is effective because it stops people from getting to work on time, it stops people from going to the store, it stops people from going in to pay their bills. that means that for a short period of time, there is at least some period of economic slowdown in the area. if politicians don't listen to reason, they often listen to money.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41497022]You are a funny man to talk about hypocrisy, Iago. Was it not just last week you were actively calling for riots?[/QUOTE] That doesn't matter, I'm just pointing out the bullshit zimmerheads has been saying and than they cry when the other side does it. It's like this court case turned into a football game and everyone blindly rooting a team just for the sake of it. I have my own personal reasons for calling for riots.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;41497273]Media channels are entertainment centers and only benefit from sensationalizing. They don't care about social ramifications - a view is more money in their pocket.[/QUOTE] Lamar is trying to paint it as some sort of conspiracy with the media and civil right leaders deliberately making people into "Traybots" for some reason. Promoting a sensationalist story for money is a much different beast than trying to do it for some sort of poorly-defined conspiracy.
[QUOTE=Ziron;41497315]Lamar is trying to paint it as some sort of conspiracy with the media and civil right leaders deliberately making people into "Traybots" for some reason. Promoting a sensationalist story for money is a much different beast than trying to do it for some sort of poorly-defined conspiracy.[/QUOTE] Say what you will but I think it's quite a leap to describe to everyone what someone's intentions are if they are not clearly stated and you are not that person.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497313]That doesn't matter, I'm just pointing out the bullshit zimmerheads has been saying and than they cry when the other side does it. It's like this court case turned into a football game and everyone blindly rooting a team just for the sake of it. I have my own personal reasons for calling for riots.[/QUOTE] zimmerheads? really? that's as dumb as traybots
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41497297]but again, you are citing examples that would not be particularly disruptive unless these protesters refused to get permits and rioted against the police when dispersal attempts are made. that is generally a bad idea since it just causes a scene and accomplishes very little as far as societal or economic slowdown is concerned. blocking an interstate is effective because it stops people from getting to work on time, it stops people from going to the store, it stops people from going in to pay their bills. that means that for a short period of time, there is at least some period of economic slowdown in the area. if politicians don't listen to reason, they often listen to money.[/QUOTE] ...and it also delayed someone who was having an emergency that had to get to the hospital asap whether it was intentional or not.
[QUOTE=Ziron;41497257]Why would anyone want to engage in a scheme like this? What does the media and civil rights leaders have to gain from this, outside of some extremely vaguely-defined "power"? Are they doing this to make whites second-class citizens? Are they doing this to put black supremacists in power? What is the long-term goal of this besides "make me upset about people having a different opinion about something" and gain "power", whatever that's defined as?[/QUOTE] to be fair, a news station makes money from advertising, which comes from ratings, which comes from people with ratings boxes watching tv. more people you get watching your network, the more money you make. so media corporations do have an incentive to sensationalize issues that are currently going on for the sake of making it more entertaining to watch. the media sensationalizes everything, especially the 24 hour news stations.
[QUOTE=Ziron;41497257]Why would anyone want to engage in a scheme like this? What does the media and civil rights leaders have to gain from this, outside of some extremely vaguely-defined "power"? Are they doing this to make whites second-class citizens? Are they doing this to put black supremacists in power? What is the long-term goal of this besides "make me upset about people having a different opinion about something" and gain "power", whatever that's defined as?[/QUOTE] Of course its not a conspiracy against white people or anything ridiculous like that. The MSM did it for viewership, plain and simple. If they didn't pick up this story and make George to be a racist than they would have never got the attention they've received now. It's good old fashioned sensationalism at play. [QUOTE=Ziron;41497315]Lamar is trying to paint it as some sort of conspiracy with the media and civil right leaders deliberately making people into "Traybots" for some reason. Promoting a sensationalist story for money is a much different beast than trying to do it for some sort of poorly-defined conspiracy.[/QUOTE] When have I ever suggested this was a conspiracy?
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