Local family's emergency trip to hospital interrupted by protestors
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[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41497633]That worked really well for Occupy.[/QUOTE]
occupy was effective in other ways than direct change. occupy wasn't an organization of dedicated individuals. occupy wasn't in it for the long haul, but it still proved itself useful for invigorating some new anti-capitalist dialogue in people who might have otherwise been unexposed, and gave a chance for people new to protesting to meet experienced veterans and possibly involve themselves in more dedicated organizations.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41497633]That worked really well for Occupy.[/QUOTE]
Er, where did you think all the percentage stuff in the last election came from?
They pulled off their realistic goal, which was to get wealth inequality as a major thing into the political mainstream.
Edit: Fucking ninjas in every direction.
[QUOTE=Thlis;41497631]Never chose a side does not really coincide with calling for a riot if someone is found innocent.[/QUOTE]
Good job not reading and putting words in my mouth again. I wanted a riot for a very personal reason and I don't care whether it was due to Zman getting freed or Obama farting.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41497655]I thought Facepunch fully supported blocking public roads when Occupy did it...[/QUOTE]
facepunch isn't a hivemind
also in the source, there is a man trying to pull someone out of their car
if occupy did this, please say so because then my opinion will be the same for occupy
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41497645]I see why they would do that and it's been done before in the civil rights movement and stuff and it worked but, protesting in front of a hospital or on major roadways that is the main route to that hospital or other emergency services isn't ok.[/QUOTE]
which is why i was asking for your proposals on actions that could be nearly as disruptive to the functions of society, but wouldn't endanger other people.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497680]Good job not reading and putting words in my mouth again. I wanted a riot for a very personal reason and I don't care whether it was due to Zman getting freed or Obama farting.[/QUOTE]
wanting a riot in the first place is pretty fucked up.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497680]Good job not reading and putting words in my mouth again. I wanted a riot for a very personal reason and I don't care whether it was due to Zman getting freed or Obama farting.[/QUOTE]
oh nice you just want people injured and possibly killed, with people's livelihoods potentially destroyed because of a personal reason?
so you're an asshole?
jeep eep in favour of people getting injured and possibly killed good to see
[QUOTE=Iago;41497680]Good job not reading and putting words in my mouth again. I wanted a riot for a very personal reason and I don't care whether it was due to Zman getting freed or Obama farting.[/QUOTE]
No interest != Interested in a side being found guilty.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497313]That doesn't matter, I'm just pointing out the bullshit zimmerheads has been saying and than they cry when the other side does it.
It's like this court case turned into a football game and everyone blindly rooting a team just for the sake of it.
I have my own personal reasons for calling for riots.[/QUOTE]
Do these reasons have to do with you being a "Black Panther"?
[QUOTE=Thlis;41497669]How many times must it be said before it is hammered into everyone's skulls that Facepunch is not a hivemind.
10 - 15 people out of everyone post in a thread that is relevant to their interests.[/QUOTE]
lol I called this response last page
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41497280]To which people respond
[quote]Facepunch is not a hivemind[/quote]
And the cycle repeats[/QUOTE]
You can't deny that there is a general popular opinion on Facepunch, and a lot of times become hypocritical when the situation changes.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41497718]lol I called this response last page
You can't deny that there is a general popular opinion on Facepunch, and a lot of times become hypocritical when the situation changes.[/QUOTE]
the reason that "facepunch's" opinion is hypocritical is because facepunch isn't a hivemind
you have people arguing for one thing in one thread, and people arguing for another in another thread
this isn't hypocrisy, this is a difference of opinion in facepunch
[QUOTE=Iago;41497680]Good job not reading and putting words in my mouth again. I wanted a riot for a very personal reason and I don't care whether it was due to Zman getting freed or Obama farting.[/QUOTE]
lol what personal reason would make you want to instigate a riot? Why even mention it if you aren't going to explain?
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41497718]lol I called this response last page
You can't deny that there is a general popular opinion on Facepunch, and a lot of times become hypocritical when the situation changes.[/QUOTE]
Do you not get the concept that people view different threads based on their own opinion and that the posts are then skewed because of it? Yes there are hypocritical opinions at times but to dismiss everyone as being a hypocrite is preposterous.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;41497676]Er, where did you think all the percentage stuff in the last election came from?
They pulled off their realistic goal, which was to get wealth inequality as a major thing into the political mainstream.
Edit: Fucking ninjas in every direction.[/QUOTE]
unfortunately i wouldn't say that they actually achieved that goal. it worked for a little while as a few politicians attempted to pander to the civil unrest while simultaneously getting the cops to shut them down. as far as long term dialogue in the political mainstream, it won't gain traction because our politicians are not interested in policy or debate that is bad for their corporate investors.
the anti-capitalist dialogue that occupy helped achieve is right under the mainstream. it's there with the college kids stuck in enormous debt. it's there with people who had their house foreclosed. i'm hoping occupy helped stimulate some simmering under the surface of politics that might eventually evolve into a long term change in society.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41497688]which is why i was asking for your proposals on actions that could be nearly as disruptive to the functions of society, but wouldn't endanger other people.[/QUOTE]
Protest at the state capitol, protest in a very public area, hold meetings and seminars about the protests points and what they want to accomplish, encourage people in the community to get active in it by signing petitions, door knocking, etc. There's a lot of ways to go about it. Are they 100% effective? No, but over time, and if the group doing the protest is committed to seeing their protests views and points put out there to the public via non-disruptive ways then chances are people will take them a bit more seriously and want to listen. Another thing is that if you have a public university in your area, chances are they have what's called a "free speech" corner or something similar. At UCLA and many california state universities there are specially designed areas that people can go and protests peacefully what they're passionate about. Those corners the CSU's and some UC's are immensely popular and gain a lot of public attention. I don't know how it is in other states but, hopefully there's something like that there too.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;41497704]oh nice you just want people injured and possibly killed, with people's livelihoods potentially destroyed because of a personal reason?
so you're an asshole?
jeep eep in favour of people getting injured and possibly killed good to see[/QUOTE]
Not everybody has the same morals as you.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497778]Not everybody has the same morals as you.[/QUOTE]
pretty sure wishing potential death on people for a personal reason isn't "morals" it's more to deal with the fact that you're a fucking asshole.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497778]Not everybody has the same morals as you.[/QUOTE]
lmao oh wow
it's not a question of morals it's a question of the fact that wanting a riot no matter what is fucking stupid
[QUOTE=Iago;41497778]Not everybody has the same morals as you.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, what set of morals that you subscribe to glorifies rioting?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41497818]I'm sorry, what set of morals that you subscribe to glorifies [B]people getting killed[/B]?[/QUOTE]
Fixed.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;41497818]I'm sorry, what set of morals that you subscribe to glorifies rioting?[/QUOTE]
pretty sure at this point it isn't him talking it's his nipples.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;41497737]lol what personal reason would make you want to instigate a riot? Why even mention it if you aren't going to explain?[/QUOTE]
to be fair i wouldn't be averse to "structured rioting" as a method of civil unrest either. i don't really like the idea of people being physically hurt, but a dedicated group of experienced dissidents going around smashing primarily private and state property could become a useful tactic.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41497794]pretty sure wishing potential death on people for a personal reason isn't "morals" it's more to deal with the fact that you're a fucking asshole.[/QUOTE]
I don't want anybody to get hurt. It's just the unavoidable outcome. Like liberating North Korea, it's a good act that has small bad outcomes.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497680]Good job not reading and putting words in my mouth again. I wanted a riot for a very personal reason and I don't care whether it was due to Zman getting freed or Obama farting.[/QUOTE]
Zimmerman will be found innocent. The good news is [sub](and I mean this in general, it is completely unrelated 100% to the statement which immediately precedes the following announcement [sub][wherein I mentioned that Zimmerman is going to be found innocent, which doesn't even matter, I don't care one or another, mind you!][/sub])[/sub] that my fellow black panthers are going to tear shit up and teach those white knight faggots [sub](again, just in general, I mean, not those specifically supporting any one cause, especially in relation to the Zimmerman trial, which I don't even know why I brought up)[/sub] a lesson [sub](but not one with any specific purpose in regards to current political events or anything relating to this thread or any comments I may have made previously, even those within this particular post)[/sub].
but i guess that isn't really structured rioting, more like revolutionary vandalism or something
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41497834]to be fair i wouldn't be averse to "structured rioting" as a method of civil unrest either. i don't really like the idea of people being physically hurt, [b]but a dedicated group of experienced dissidents going around smashing primarily private and state property could become a useful tactic.[/b][/QUOTE]
i'm done.
it's one thing to advocate for people to disrupt peoples lives but to go on and destroy their shit too? What the fuck are you smoking that makes you think that's ok? I don't even think it's possible to argue why that's completely fucked up because it should be common sense. What if some chucklefucks thought the same thing as you and came and destroyed your private property? chances are, you'd be singing a different song.
[QUOTE=Iago;41497838]I don't want anybody to get hurt. It's just the unavoidable outcome. Like liberating North Korea, it's a good act that has small bad outcomes.[/QUOTE]
Liberating North Korea would be a specific cause that you would want to go through
Wanting a riot just to have a riot without it fronting any case is just wanting destruction and injuries
[QUOTE=Iago;41497838]I don't want anybody to get hurt. It's just the unavoidable outcome. Like liberating North Korea, it's a good act that has small bad outcomes.[/QUOTE]
You wanting a riot and liberating North Korea have literally nothing in common, stop trying to justify your stupidity
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;41497844]i'm done.[/QUOTE]
i don't expect you to support it or even understand it. i define violence in a different way than you. i believe that violence is really only action that hurts the health of another person. destroying property is not violent by that definition, nor is it immoral.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;41497834]to be fair i wouldn't be averse to "structured rioting" as a method of civil unrest either. i don't really like the idea of people being physically hurt, but a dedicated group of experienced dissidents going around smashing primarily private and state property could become a useful tactic.[/QUOTE]
Good thing it's just private property, otherwise someone is going to have to pay for the damages caused,[sub][sub] even though the public still has to pay for the damages[/sub][/sub]
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