Health care reform is done - Obama signs reconciliation bill
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Obama is such a great spokesperson. I'd like to see a pitch off between him and Billy Mays.
[QUOTE=Zemog;21079596]Obama is such a great spokesperson. I'd like to see a pitch off between him and Billy Mays.[/QUOTE]
Billy Mays is dead :Z
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21070761]no
i'm saying that getting breast cancer literally makes you less...yeah
you know
but it doesn't mean anything ok[/QUOTE]
Cancer is a disease, it doesn't change your genetic code
That only happens in science fiction
[QUOTE=smurfy;21079972]Billy Mays is dead :Z[/QUOTE]
I am aware of that, thank you, and I never said he wasn't.
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;21058835]Here's a good graph for you :
[img]http://whyareyousofat.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/life-expectancy1.jpg?w=500&h=332[/img][/QUOTE]
More things:
[url]http://www.internationalliving.com/Internal-Components/Further-Resources/quality-of-life-2010[/url]
[url]http://www1.internationalliving.com/qofl2010/[/url]
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21070553]But I'm just talking like literally, I would SUPPOSE they're LITERALLY genetically inferior, but that doesn't mean ANYTHING[/QUOTE]
that's like saying you don't deserve to play soccer because you're black and therefore genetically inferior
[QUOTE=Archy;21083770]that's like saying you don't deserve to play soccer because you're black and therefore genetically inferior[/QUOTE]
what...no? i said "it doesn't mean anything"
and yes, cancer has to do with your genes, yeah.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21083818]what...no? i said "it doesn't mean anything"
and yes, cancer has to do with your genes, yeah.[/QUOTE]
so you're saying everyone susceptible to cancer needs to leave?
[QUOTE=Archy;21083830]so you're saying everyone susceptible to cancer needs to leave?[/QUOTE]
the fuck? what post are you reading? I specifically said "it doesn't even matter" so fuck, shut up.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21083818]what...no? i said "it doesn't mean anything"
and yes, cancer has to do with your genes, yeah.[/QUOTE]
Cancer does not change your genotype. If it did then people with cancer would give birth to kids with cancer.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21084014]the fuck? what post are you reading? I specifically said "it doesn't even matter" so fuck, shut up.[/QUOTE]
that's just like pulling the not racist card
nice try
[QUOTE=TH89;21084090]Cancer does not change your genotype. If it did then people with cancer would give birth to kids with cancer.[/QUOTE]
no, what are you talking about, Cancer has a lot to do with genes get out of here
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see: "Cancer runs in my family"
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21084154]"Cancer runs in my family"[/QUOTE]
I hate that, and I'm most defiantly going to die because of it.
[QUOTE]
1. U.K.’s heart-attack fatality rate is almost 20% higher than America’s 2. Angioplasties in Britain are only 21.3% as common as they are here
3. NICE ruled against the use of two drugs, Lapatinib and Sutent, that prolong the life of those with certain forms of breast and stomach cancer
4. Breast cancer in America has a 25% mortality rate; in Britain it’s almost double at 46%
5. Prostate cancer kills 19% of American and 57% of Brits
6. in 2006, a U.K-based board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took three years to get that outrageous decree reversed.
7. NICE will cut annual steroid injections for severe back pain from 60,000 to 3,000. Result? “It will mean more people on opiates, which are addictive and kill 2,000 a year. It will mean more people having spinal surgery, which is incredibly risky and has a 50% failure rate.”
8. Nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment
9. U.S. = 34 CT scanners per million; Britain = 8
10. U.S. = 27 MRI machines per million; Britain = 6
11. Brits wait twice as long to see a specialist than Americans
12. In U.S., recommended age for colon-cancer screening for men begins at 50. NHS starts at age 75.
13. Avastin, a drug for advanced colon cancer, is prescribed more often in the U.S. than in the U.K., by some estimates as much as 10 times more.
14. In U.K., 20% of potentially curable lung-cancer patients became incurable on the waiting list.[/QUOTE]Lol what a load of horse shit.
Its funny because there are both arguments which support and dieny this argument. But having first hand experience I can tell you its a load of bollocks. Health-care in America is apparently 'statistically' higher because [B]they don't treat people with pre-existing conditions to save a profit, hence it is not accounted for in stats.[/B] Waiting lists? Yeah - try having a 'walk in and out' hospital while serving a population of 70 million just in England, of course there are going to be waiting lists. There are also waiting lists in America - the waiting lists can range from a few months, hardly extreme (if you have emergency treatment then you are seen straight away).
Americas population is[I] [I]307 million people[/I][/I] - your stats should roughly be the same as ours if not worse.
[QUOTE=Zemog;21079596]Obama is such a great spokesperson. I'd like to see a pitch off between him and Billy Mays.[/QUOTE]
My money would be on Billy Mays.
Reason: He can sell stuff, Obama can't.
Also Obama tends to need a teleprompter way too often.
[QUOTE=Glaber;21084431]My money would be on Billy Mays.
Reason: He can sell stuff, Obama can't.
Also Obama tends to need a teleprompter way too often.[/QUOTE]
Well, here's the big difference;
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Vote for hope, and vote now! [B]|[/B] VOTE! AND GET FREE HEALTH CARE AS AN ADDED BONUS!
[QUOTE=Vasili;21084281]Lol what a load of horse shit.
Its funny because there are both arguments which support and dieny this argument. But having first hand experience I can tell you its a load of bollocks. Health-care in America is apparently 'statistically' higher because [B]they don't treat people with pre-existing conditions to save a profit, hence it is not accounted for in stats.[/B] Waiting lists? Yeah - try having a 'walk in and out' hospital while serving a population of 70 million just in England, of course there are going to be waiting lists. There are also waiting lists in America - the waiting lists can range from a few months, hardly extreme (if you have emergency treatment then you are seen straight away).
Americas population is[I] [I]307 million people[/I][/I] - your stats should roughly be the same as ours if not worse.[/QUOTE]
wait...they treat people with pre-existing conditions what are you talking about? And yeah, that's the problem with universal healthcare (not like it's bad or anything) the massive waiting lists, so yeah, that's a good argument.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21084533]wait...they treat people with pre-existing conditions what are you talking about? And yeah, that's the problem with universal healthcare (not like it's bad or anything) the massive waiting lists, so yeah, that's a good argument.[/QUOTE]
No
Majority of the time they refuse people with pre-existing conditions because it costs them more money to treat[B] you[/B]. Why do people not understand a company centred on maximum profit [B]does[/B] [B]not give a fuck about you[/B].
My friend got treated in America recently after he got injured.
He's not in 10k debt for numerous procedures he had to have. In the UK it would of been totally free, on a small tax sum. You want to know the difference here between a private health-care centre and a national health-care centre? In a private centre you get your own room and digital TV.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21084154]no, what are you talking about, Cancer has a lot to do with genes get out of here
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see: "Cancer runs in my family"[/QUOTE]
You can be predisposed to cancer. Cancer does not change your genotype.
And it has nothing to do with your income either way
[QUOTE=Zemog;21084510][QUOTE=Glaber;21084431]My money would be on Billy Mays.
Reason: He can sell stuff, Obama can't.
Also Obama tends to need a teleprompter way too often.[/QUOTE]
Well, here's the big difference;
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Vote for hope, and vote now! [B]|[/B] BRAINS![/QUOTE]
Fixed that for you
[QUOTE=TH89;21084793]You can be predisposed to cancer. Cancer does not change your genotype.
And it has nothing to do with your income either way[/QUOTE]
when the fuck did i say that
and yes, you can get cancer from living in bad places
i guess, which would relate to your income
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[QUOTE=Vasili;21084600]No
Majority of the time they refuse people with pre-existing conditions because it costs them more money to treat[B] you[/B]. Why do people not understand a company centred on maximum profit [B]does[/B] [B]not give a fuck about you[/B].
My friend got treated in America recently after he got injured.
He's not in 10k debt for numerous procedures he had to have. In the UK it would of been totally free, on a small tax sum. You want to know the difference here between a private health-care centre and a national health-care centre? In a private centre you get your own room and digital TV.[/QUOTE]
They don't refuse them treatment, where do you get this
The arguments over this must've been [I]smashing[/I]
[IMG]http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q198/Hezzy88/mojo.jpg[/IMG]
hey conservative christians who are against this bill
what do you prefer?
your tax money or a human life
[QUOTE=Neolithic v7;21074432][quote]1. U.K.’s heart-attack fatality rate is almost 20% higher than America’s 2. Angioplasties in Britain are only 21.3% as common as they are here
3. NICE ruled against the use of two drugs, Lapatinib and Sutent, that prolong the life of those with certain forms of breast and stomach cancer
4. Breast cancer in America has a 25% mortality rate; in Britain it’s almost double at 46%
5. Prostate cancer kills 19% of American and 57% of Brits
6. in 2006, a U.K-based board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took three years to get that outrageous decree reversed.
7. NICE will cut annual steroid injections for severe back pain from 60,000 to 3,000. Result? “It will mean more people on opiates, which are addictive and kill 2,000 a year. It will mean more people having spinal surgery, which is incredibly risky and has a 50% failure rate.”
8. Nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment
9. U.S. = 34 CT scanners per million; Britain = 8
10. U.S. = 27 MRI machines per million; Britain = 6
11. Brits wait twice as long to see a specialist than Americans
12. In U.S., recommended age for colon-cancer screening for men begins at 50. NHS starts at age 75.
13. Avastin, a drug for advanced colon cancer, is prescribed more often in the U.S. than in the U.K., by some estimates as much as 10 times more.
14. In U.K., 20% of potentially curable lung-cancer patients became incurable on the waiting list.[/quote][/QUOTE]
What's funny is the fact there is no source for this. Pretty much most of this is blatant lies.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21084533]wait...they treat people with pre-existing conditions what are you talking about? And yeah, that's the problem with universal healthcare (not like it's bad or anything) the massive waiting lists, so yeah, that's a good argument.[/QUOTE]
uh, the waiting lists aren't really that long. America has some pretty horrid waiting lists. TBH, from what i've experienced, Ireland's waiting lists are pretty good, while america's is shit
[QUOTE=Glaber;21084431]My money would be on Billy Mays.
Reason: He can sell stuff, Obama can't.
Also Obama tends to need a teleprompter way too often.[/QUOTE]
like health care reform? OH WAIT
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21066782]But no one has actually read the bill.
[editline]04:36PM[/editline]
Give me one politician (besides obama and pelosi) that has actually read the bill?[/QUOTE]
yeah, it's called Congress
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21067056]I love how this turned in to an insult war against me.[/QUOTE]
well to be fair, we've fucking ripped you apart, so we're just fucking with you
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21067128]hurr durr you guize r makin me saaaaad im guna cry an cut mslefff waaaa
[editline]04:48PM[/editline]
This is actually becoming really funny.[/QUOTE]
what's cute is you don't realize how badly you've been proven wrong lol
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21067879]I'm just making a point that when one party is in power, the other just says NO NO NO. No party is really bipartisan.[/QUOTE]
hey... uh, facepunch user zombiefreak... ever wonder why the public option died?
[QUOTE=Snake31;21068195]If you're broke and get hurt, any hospital in America will take you and save your life. You'll have a bill afterward, but that's a small price to pay for your life.
Good job blowing shit out of proportion, smartass.[/QUOTE]
haha, you've obviously never even been in a hospital. It's not a fucking "small price" you tool
[QUOTE=General Omega;21068699]For the sake of understanding, I was using the term Loosely and did not mean it to be in full context of biological Darwinism.
Poor people ARE poor for a reason. That it may be that they were tricked, they did not work, or they spent their money fruitlessly. I said nothing about genetics in it, but was using Darwinism to describe the fact that if a person were to be poor and end up in that kind of situation, then they would be SOL. Besides, people will go batshit even if there was no reason. As for the rich being attacked, then they did not properly prepare for any attack.
There are VERY few cases where I would feel sympathy for the poor (Orphans for one). But I would not WANT them to get harmed, I cant say that I would care if they did though.[/QUOTE]
so... people choose to be laid off?
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21066629]So tell me what a picture has to do with anything.
[editline]04:29PM[/editline]
Surprisingly I'm actually going out with a girl, and I'm friends with everybody at my school.[/QUOTE]
oh you hot stud you
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21066730]Spoiled? Are you joking? Most of my possession are either from my birthdays or from money that I have earned.[/QUOTE]
asking mum for a few fivers is not earing money
[QUOTE=Snake31;21066006]Gee, I'm sure Andrew Carnegie never put any effort towards becoming rich and putting Pittsburgh back on the map, as well as giving it its first free library and an IV league university. Bill Gates? He never put any effort into Microsoft, no wonder it's about to go bankrupt. Valve? They haven't done shit or put effort into any of their products. The list goes on, they're all lazy bums.
You are a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE]
golly, 3 people who got lucky, you suuuure showed us
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21066269]Proving that even if you just live in a first world country, you're better off living here than most places.[/QUOTE]
SAYING you're a step up from third world countries isn't exactly a good thing, because, you know... YOU HAVE TO SAY IT
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21064557]Depends where you live. In some places (ie places where too little people are employed and there are too many jobs available) you can make money fairly easy.
[editline]02:52PM[/editline]
He's ranting about single teen moms who shouldn't be single teen moms in the first place.[/QUOTE]
where the fuck did he say anything about teen moms?
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065509]Orrrr we could just pass the republican's bill and deal with healthcare that way.[/QUOTE]
lol, the republican bill will end in disaster
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065692]Speaker Pelosi’s Bill---------GOP Alternative
[B] Job Losses[/B]
Up to 5.5 million---------------------0
[B] Medicare Cuts[/B]
$500 billion---------------------------0
[B]Tax Increases[/B]
$729.5 billion-------------------------0[/QUOTE]
golly gee, i can pull statistics out of nowhere too. That's absolute bullshit.
[QUOTE=Snake31;21063621]But we aren't every other fucking nation. What made America great is that we stood apart from everyone else, and we became great because free people aspired to be all they could be, yet industrialists who became millionaires on their own abilities are spat on and called greedy parasites, then everyone gets happy when the government starts taxing them into the ground. My family is poor, but we work for our health insurance, and I worked my ass off for this PC and my other luxuries. I don't need the government's help, and if my family, in the financial state it is in, doesn't need it, then nobody else does.[/QUOTE]
did you copy and paste that from a fox news forum?
[QUOTE=Snake31;21063502]Hooray, America took another step towards socialism.[/QUOTE]
you do realize that's a GOOD thing, right?
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