• Health care reform is done - Obama signs reconciliation bill
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[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21065485]I don't think you understood the post, the Bill is a step in the right direction, he did not say that we will be getting universal healthcare, he just said we're getting to a good place.[/QUOTE] High five, broheim.
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;21065483]He said on the way. This bill is a huge piece of shit, but it's necessary for the US to move forward in terms of getting universal health care.[/QUOTE] Orrrr we could just pass the republican's bill and deal with healthcare that way.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065509]Orrrr we could just pass the republican's bill and deal with healthcare that way.[/QUOTE] What does the republicans' bill actually do?
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;21065519]What does the republicans' bill actually do?[/QUOTE] [url]http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/Summary_of_Republican_Alternative_Health_Care_plan_Updated_11-04-09.pdf[/url] [editline]03:37PM[/editline] I can give you the 219 page bill if you want too.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065527][url]http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/Summary_of_Republican_Alternative_Health_Care_plan_Updated_11-04-09.pdf[/url] [editline]03:37PM[/editline] I can give you the 219 page bill if you want too.[/QUOTE] Actually, no thanks. It looks even more useless than Obama's bill (well, since it had to be neutered by guess who, republicans).
Suckers Canada owns.
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;21065596]Actually, no thanks. It looks even more useless than Obama's bill (well, since it had to be neutered by guess who, republicans).[/QUOTE] "• Lowering health care premiums. The GOP plan will lower health care premiums for American families and small businesses, addressing Americans’ number-one priority for health care reform. • Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines. The GOP plan allows Americans to shop for coverage from coast to coast by allowing Americans living in one state to purchase insurance in another. • Encouraging Small Business Health Plans. The GOP plan gives small businesses the power to pool together and offer health care at lower prices, just as corporations and labor unions do. • Establishing Universal Access Programs to guarantee access to affordable health care for those with pre-existing conditions. The GOP plan creates Universal Access Programs that expand and reform high-risk pools and reinsurance programs to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable care – while lowering costs for all Americans." Useless?
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065632]"• Lowering health care premiums. The GOP plan will lower health care premiums for American families and small businesses, addressing Americans’ number-one priority for health care reform. • Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines. The GOP plan allows Americans to shop for coverage from coast to coast by allowing Americans living in one state to purchase insurance in another. • Encouraging Small Business Health Plans. The GOP plan gives small businesses the power to pool together and offer health care at lower prices, just as corporations and labor unions do. • Establishing Universal Access Programs to guarantee access to affordable health care for those with pre-existing conditions. The GOP plan creates Universal Access Programs that expand and reform high-risk pools and reinsurance programs to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable care – while lowering costs for all Americans." Useless?[/QUOTE] Isn't that the same thing that the current implies
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065632]"• Lowering health care premiums. The GOP plan will lower health care premiums for American families and small businesses, addressing Americans’ number-one priority for health care reform. • Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines. The GOP plan allows Americans to shop for coverage from coast to coast by allowing Americans living in one state to purchase insurance in another. • Encouraging Small Business Health Plans. The GOP plan gives small businesses the power to pool together and offer health care at lower prices, just as corporations and labor unions do. • Establishing Universal Access Programs to guarantee access to affordable health care for those with pre-existing conditions. The GOP plan creates Universal Access Programs that expand and reform high-risk pools and reinsurance programs to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable care – while lowering costs for all Americans." Useless?[/QUOTE] Looks exactly the same as the Democrat's bill but with a Republican sticker on it so they can score some political points! Yay!
yes
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21065659]Isn't that the same thing that the current implies[/QUOTE] Speaker Pelosi’s Bill---------GOP Alternative [B] Job Losses[/B] Up to 5.5 million---------------------0 [B] Medicare Cuts[/B] $500 billion---------------------------0 [B]Tax Increases[/B] $729.5 billion-------------------------0
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065632]"• Lowering health care premiums. The GOP plan will lower health care premiums for American families and small businesses, addressing Americans’ number-one priority for health care reform. • Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines. The GOP plan allows Americans to shop for coverage from coast to coast by allowing Americans living in one state to purchase insurance in another. • Encouraging Small Business Health Plans. The GOP plan gives small businesses the power to pool together and offer health care at lower prices, just as corporations and labor unions do. • Establishing Universal Access Programs to guarantee access to affordable health care for those with pre-existing conditions. The GOP plan creates Universal Access Programs that expand and reform high-risk pools and reinsurance programs to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable care – while lowering costs for all Americans." Useless?[/QUOTE] Yes, but how does it do this shit? It says nothing about increasing taxes so I guess the money just comes right from the Magical Republican Arse of Holding. Or something.
ugh the zeros are the GOP alternative. Stupid facepunch won't let me use spaces.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065692]Speaker Pelosi’s Bill GOP Alternative Job Losses Up to 5.5 million 0 Medicare Cuts $500 billion 0 Tax Increases $729.5 billion 0[/QUOTE] what does this mean [editline]04:47PM[/editline] oh
[QUOTE=mbutler2;21064009]If you are poor more than likely you can thank your parents for that. They had just as much of a chance as a World-renowned surgeon.[/QUOTE] That's bullshit, and you and I both know that. It is very, very hard to make it in this country, and not everyone has the opportunity to do so because of our shitty educational system and the fact that the American way, or should I say the Republican way, involves making the rich richer and the poor poorer and somehow expecting everyone to benefit. Edit: Oops, a little late on a few of these points. :ohdear:
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;21065696]Yes, but how does it do this shit? It says nothing about increasing taxes so I guess the money just comes right from the Magical Republican Arse of Holding. Or something.[/QUOTE] We don't need money for these reforms though.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21065704]what does this mean[/QUOTE] Weird formatting. Current plan on the left, GOP plan on the right.
The government really isn't involved in this one.
Can someone, very easily, in lay-man's terms describe to me what this 'new' and 'watered down' health care bill entails without confusing me or being terribly biased? I rather not read war and peace and I'm not in the mood for alot of legal mumbo jumbo.
[QUOTE=BaconDioxide;21065721]Weird formatting. Current plan on the left, GOP plan on the right.[/QUOTE] I don't really see why their's is so cheap
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065692]Speaker Pelosi’s Bill---------GOP Alternative [B] Job Losses[/B] Up to 5.5 million---------------------0 [B] Medicare Cuts[/B] $500 billion---------------------------0 [B]Tax Increases[/B] $729.5 billion-------------------------0[/QUOTE] I like to pull numbers out of my ass too. Say, how do you deal with the chafing?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21065766]I don't really see why their's is so cheap[/QUOTE] Because the government is only doing regulations, and nothing more, and nothing less [editline]03:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;21065784]I like to pull numbers out of my ass too. Say, how do you deal with the chafing?[/QUOTE] [url]http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/Summary_of_Republican_Alternative_Health_Care_plan_Updated_11-04-09.pdf[/url] Got my numbers from here.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;21065724]Can someone, very easily, in lay-man's terms describe to me what this 'new' and 'watered down' health care bill entails without confusing me or being terribly biased? I rather not read war and peace and I'm not in the mood for alot of legal mumbo jumbo.[/QUOTE] [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8579658.stm[/url] Scroll down to [b]How much is healthcare going to change and who is affected?[/b]
I don't really see anything wrong with our current...
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21065789]Because the government is only doing regulations, and nothing more, and nothing less [editline]03:51PM[/editline] [url]http://gopleader.gov/UploadedFiles/Summary_of_Republican_Alternative_Health_Care_plan_Updated_11-04-09.pdf[/url] Got my numbers from here.[/QUOTE] Huh, funny to see the pro-deregulation Republicans suggesting a bill solely based upon regulations.
[QUOTE=Cell;21065824]Huh, funny to see the pro-deregulation Republicans suggesting a bill solely based upon regulations.[/QUOTE] Well what else are we supposed to do? [editline]03:57PM[/editline] Also, it more or less deregulates things for the buyer.
[QUOTE=Viper01;21063900]Do you honestly believe that people who are rich work hard?[/QUOTE] Gee, I'm sure Andrew Carnegie never put any effort towards becoming rich and putting Pittsburgh back on the map, as well as giving it its first free library and an IV league university. Bill Gates? He never put any effort into Microsoft, no wonder it's about to go bankrupt. Valve? They haven't done shit or put effort into any of their products. The list goes on, they're all lazy bums. You are a fucking idiot.
[QUOTE=Viper01;21063900]Do you honestly believe that people who are rich work hard?[/QUOTE] Fuck you. I could only see my dad 3 days a week because of his work and he was fairly wealthy. [editline]04:04PM[/editline] My dad put an immense amount of work in to his 3 companies.
[QUOTE=Snake31;21066006]Gee, I'm sure Andrew Carnegie never put any effort towards becoming rich and putting Pittsburgh back on the map, as well as giving it its first free library and an IV league university. Bill Gates? He never put any effort into Microsoft, no wonder it's about to go bankrupt. Valve? They haven't done shit or put effort into any of their products. The list goes on, they're all lazy bums. You are a fucking idiot.[/QUOTE] SOME rich people don't work for it, like (I assume, I have no idea) the people who currently own the Walton fortune, they inherited it, and that's a good 20billion. But that's not the point, the people who originally got the fortune ALWAYS worked hard, no one EVER gets billion/millions of dollars handed to them. (especially not billions)
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21066086]SOME rich people don't work for it, like (I assume, I have no idea) the people who currently own the Walton fortune, they inherited it, and that's a good 20billion. But that's not the point, the people who originally got the fortune ALWAYS worked hard, no one EVER gets billion/millions of dollars handed to them. (especially not billions)[/QUOTE] And even then they can only really feast off of the money for a generation or two.
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