California woman charged with sending money to Pakistan to help fund attacks on US military - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Karlos;33850367]absolutely what should happen, including the police and national guard; once the machinery of the state's been dismantled the proletariat can instill a true democracy and we can forget this whole capitalist funfare[/QUOTE]Then you'll cry when the big man with a gun shoves his boot in your face as you scream "it's my anarchy!".

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33850392]Well you keep insisting that it is useless. Why keep it? Explain that to us, please.[/QUOTE] I don't really care either way. My point is its size. There is no excuse for the size of the US military or its expanse.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;33850441]I don't really care either way. My point is its size. There is no excuse for the size of the US military or its expanse.[/QUOTE] Well now you're contradicting and ignoring everything you've said previously.

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33850392]Well you keep insisting that it is useless. Why keep it? Explain that to us, please.[/QUOTE] the military and the making of war is the perfect means for the growth of capital, the number one economy booster; you have the arms trade, the industrial complex, the US hired mercenaries, xenophobic and racist propaganda which fuels patriotism and nationalism, and it creates a cultural atmosphere which leads people to create tighter social contracts and to be loyal to the country they're a part of - after all, it's "defending" them, isn't it?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;33850387]I'm not saying they don't. I'm just saying there are other ways. You can move those ships to do work for the groups I mentioned in regions there is no ground military in.[/QUOTE] Like Haiti? Or Japan? Or Indonesia? Or the other places the US Navy sent humanitarian fleets after disaster?

the fucking ragheads blew up our towers!! kill them all!

[QUOTE=Karlos;33850469]the military and the making of war is the perfect means for the growth of capital, the number one economy booster; you have the arms trade, the industrial complex, the US hired mercenaries, xenophobic and racist propaganda which fuels patriotism and nationalism, and it creates a cultural atmosphere which leads people to create tighter social contracts and to be loyal to the country they're a part of - after all, it's "defending" them, isn't it?[/QUOTE] "Fuels patriotism"- Loving your country is bad, makes sense. "xenophobic and racist propaganda"- You're joking, right? "the US hired mercenaries"- Where are these mercenaries, exactly? "and to be loyal to the country they're a part of"- --See Patriotism--

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;33850455]Well now you're contradicting and ignoring everything you've said previously.[/QUOTE] My original point was how excessive the military was. I'm really thinking you have no idea what's going on.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33850512] "the US hired mercenaries"- Where are these mercenaries, exactly? [/QUOTE] i'm going to do a lazy cough/cover my pretend internet voice cough blackwater cough

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;33850441]I don't really care either way. My point is its size. [B]There is no excuse for the size of the US military or its expanse.[/B][/QUOTE] It's a holdover from the days when we believed we'd have to be the primary military force against the USSR in case of a possible war. It's naive to think it's possible to simply dismantle 40+ years of build-up, infrastructure and government commitments to major industries just like that.

[QUOTE=OvB;33850480]Like Haiti? Or Japan? Or Indonesia? Or the other places the US Navy sent humanitarian fleets after disaster?[/QUOTE] Your point? [editline]22nd December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;33850539]It's a holdover from the days when we believed we'd have to be the primary military force against the USSR in case of a possible war. It's naive to think it's possible to simply dismantle 40+ years of build-up, infrastructure and government commitments to major industries just like that.[/QUOTE] i'm not saying just like that, I'm saying at least make an effort. The US government is doing the opposite.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;33850548]Your point? [/QUOTE] You said the government doesn't send in aid unless they have a clear and present military force in the country. OvB gave you multiple examples of areas where there's not a major US military presence, yet we sent significant aid anyway. Now you're saying "that doesn't mean anything?"

[QUOTE=Marbalo;33850533]it's like every dumb poster in ITN condensed into a single thread[/QUOTE] Condensed Stupidity (comes in a can)

[QUOTE=SKEEA;33849677]As a newly forged US Army Soldier, I find this to be particularly reprehensible. I give my time, effort, and my service to help the citizens of the US hold on to their way of life, and this is the kind of thanks I get from this woman? I hope she rots in jail for trying to kill my battle buddies.[/QUOTE] You can hold onto your way of life without invading innocent people's towns and standing around waving your guns about while they try to go on with their day to day lives.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33850512]"Fuels patriotism"- Loving your country is bad, makes sense.[/quote] not only don't you choose where you were born/raised, thus eliminating any psychological base on which to exalt your country above others, yes, loving the imperialist capital of the world is very bad indeed and makes perfect sense [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33850512]"xenophobic and racist propaganda"- You're joking, right?[/quote] look at any news article by any major news corporation in the US and EU and you should be more than able to understand this [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33850512]"the US hired mercenaries"- Where are these mercenaries, exactly?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_company[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93industrial_complex[/url]

I think Governor Goblin is legitimately stupid because he/she is not making any sense almost to the point to where this feels like we are being trolled.

[QUOTE=Risonhighmer;33850595]You can hold onto your way of life without invading innocent people's towns and standing around waving your guns about while they try to go on with their day to day lives.[/QUOTE] Because that's what the U.S does all the time.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;33850548]Your point? [editline]22nd December 2011[/editline] i'm not saying just like that, I'm saying at least make an effort. The US government is doing the opposite.[/QUOTE] Places the US military does good without killing people. There's stopping piracy near somalia also. We sont just kill people like you seem to think.

This thread is hilarious. Besides if the women is found to have actually supported terror movements, then charge her with treason simple as that. . .

[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;33850576]You said the government doesn't send in aid unless they have a clear and present military force in the country. OvB gave you multiple examples of areas where there's not a major US military presence, yet we sent significant aid anyway. Now you're saying "that doesn't mean anything?"[/QUOTE] That wasn't my point and it's my mistake for not making that clear. My point was to the person I was making an inference to that he was implying the void created by lack of military wouldn't be filled. I was just saying it wouldn't go empty. I mean shit, if the US military did just humanitarian work like in Japan, I'd support it. Humanitarian aid makes up a small portion of the budget though. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/PerCapitaInflationAdjustedDefenseSpending.PNG/800px-PerCapitaInflationAdjustedDefenseSpending.PNG[/img] International Affairs makes up: At minimum, foreign arms sales. At most, entire State budget whilst other makes up the lowest expenditure. [editline]22nd December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=OvB;33850617]Places the US military does good without killing people. There's stopping piracy near somalia also. We sont just kill people like you seem to think.[/QUOTE] That doesn't forgive the fact they do, now does it? You seem to ignore the point that I'm saying they probably shouldn't and at the current time, there's no reason why they should anymore.

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;33850610]I think Governor Goblin is legitimately stupid because he/she is not making any sense almost to the point to where this feels like we are being trolled.[/QUOTE] goblin's mostly correct though his arguments could be better constructed, the fact is that you're so steeped in neoliberal ideology (learn about this, here's a good video i like [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGT-hygPqUM[/url]) and ignorant of all worldly affairs that you're unwilling to accept the truth of his accusations [editline]22nd December 2011[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mJLr-Ai1mM[/media] capitalism 101 right here folks, listen intently

[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;33850610]I think Governor Goblin is legitimately stupid because he/she is not making any sense almost to the point to where this feels like we are being trolled.[/QUOTE] I'm not making sense, but your metaphorical enemy is perfectly reasonable?

Oh wow, a song! How ever will I find a counter argument!

The question my argument started was 'who currently threatens the freedoms and well being of US citizens'. Not a single one of you answered that, after numerous times asking it again. Just want to point out that for the most part, there has been a lot of avoiding the question.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33850748]Oh wow, a song! How ever will I find a counter argument![/QUOTE] I don't know, considering I don't see one in this post.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33850748]Oh wow, a song! How ever will I find a counter argument![/QUOTE] it's not like you've been providing AN argument. And Mr. Sun, instead of just making your entire arguments 'ur dum', why not provide an actual refutable or refuting point? that would be fucking magical.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33850748]Oh wow, a song! How ever will I find a counter argument![/QUOTE] lmao the point is this isn't about argument and counter-argument. these are the basic facts of capitalism, the system you live in. capitalism is about the growth of capital in the interests of the bourgeoisie, irrespective of morality or other people's realities - this isn't conspiracy theorism, this isn't evil socialist mumbo jumbo, this is basic terminology in the very first pages of karl marx's analysis of capitalism. before you stubbornly defend the system you live, in first you must question it, young padawan. this is the first step to understanding, and this understanding will lead you to return to arguments like goblin's and be like "damn, nigger, He Was Right." even though goblin seems to be a big fat liberal

why have you people been arguing for THREE PAGES about your own opinion, jesus. anyway, since I'm not a US citizen and I really don't give two shits about what the American government does, I'd say 2000 dollars USD isn't really that much - and as other people have said before, they're not going to invade America at any given time.

so thats how they got their supply of AKs last year

Worst thread 2011. Stupidity is rampant on both sides of the board.