Texas mother, a vocal gun rights advocate, killed by police after fatally shooting her two daughters - Polidicks

[QUOTE=J!NX;50596269]If I really have to get 'deep into' a post that didn't really mean to state anything I guess I will I was stating the obvious partly as a joke, because anyone should be able to understand this but somehow the concept eludes them. I'm moderately pro-guns but the amount of people who misuse guns intentionally or unintentionally is actually mind boggling. Like it should just be common sense that guns are dangerous but people are too stupid to understand that. If she understood this she PROBABLY wouldn't have been shot down by police and would have been alive. I'm guessing at that point it could have been suicide by cop but who knows what happened, we can only speculate. Also, none of those things are specifically meant for destruction and nothing else. [editline]25th June 2016[/editline] like, people play with guns and then they shoot their leg off and wonder why it's because they are retarded and have no sense at all and then they do it again so guns are dangerous guys[/QUOTE] going to pinpoint this really important five word part of my post that you obviously did not read because you had a different opinion pointed in your face "psychological help when you need it" that about dissolves a good two-third of your post but then again why am I even replying to someone who when has his point refuted replies with "oh man lol it was just a joke haha"

[QUOTE=Kigen;50596281]Addressing the method of violence will only cause people to use a different method. It'd be a whole lot more effective to address the cause of violence. That way you solve the problem of violence and don't infringe on the rights of the people trying to ineffectively address the method.[/QUOTE] Pretty much the more people know that playing with swords = possibly insanely fucking deadly, the better really, same goes with ak47's, tasers, wood chippers, and fireworks [editline]26th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Egevened;50596289]going to pinpoint this really important four word part of my post that you obviously did not read because you had a different opinion pointed in your face "not getting enough psychological help when you need it" that about dissolves a good two-third of your post but then again why am I even replying to someone who when has his point refuted replies with "oh man lol it was just a joke haha"[/QUOTE] I think you're over analyzing it way too much, Jesus Christ, what

[QUOTE=J!NX;50596291] I think you're over analyzing it way too much, Jesus Christ, what[/QUOTE] just because you don't or don't want to understand something doesn't mean you have to start using buzzwords

[QUOTE=Egevened;50596302]just because you don't or don't want to understand something doesn't mean you have to start using buzzwords[/QUOTE] Why are you trying to find some deep underlying meaning behind a post that I didn't think about and just made off the top of my head? get over yourself lmao

[QUOTE=J!NX;50596305]Why are you trying to find some deep underlying meaning behind a post that I didn't think about and just made off the top of my head?[/QUOTE] because the deep underlying meaning behind your stupid-ass post about guns being dangerous, full stop, is the binary way most people think about these problems, which is the cause for what everyone in the usa is facing about this sorry for trying to be objective

[QUOTE=Senscith;50596240]Problem becomes what classifies as a mental illness that prevents you from purchasing a firearm? I was treated for depression as a kid, would that put me "at risk" for purchasing a firearm? Being a transgender is considered a mental illness. Its easy to say "just don't let people with mental problems have firearms" but honestly that's a huge territory to try and figure out what is and is not acceptable. And I don't trust our politicians to do it without royally fucking it up.[/QUOTE] I thought transgenderism stopped being legally considered a mental illness a while ago I'd imagine illnesses such like bipolarism and the like would obviously be on the list but everything else that wouldn't be regarded as a 'dangerous' illness would be different Depression is one thing, schizophrenia is another [QUOTE=Egevened;50596313]because the deep underlying meaning behind your stupid-ass post about guns being dangerous, full stop, is the binary way most people think about these problems, which is the cause for what everyone in the usa is facing about this sorry for trying to be objective[/QUOTE] oh my god what are you DOING if you want to I could just go and say it... oh man lol it was just a joke haha time to edit my posts some more [QUOTE=Egevened;50596289][B]but then again why am I even replying to someone who when has his point refuted replies with "oh man lol it was just a joke haha"[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=J!NX;50596318]oh man lol it was just a joke haha[/QUOTE] you're just making an ass out of yourself [editline]26th June 2016[/editline] nice edits tho

If the kids had guns, they could have fought back.

[QUOTE=Egevened;50596268]im sorry but im gonna go out on a limb here and assume that you have not for a second considered that maybe the laws around you are stupid and "gun control" should not be based on arbitrary shit like who is transgender or differently opinionated? maybe, just maybe "mental illness" should not be a blanket term for people with ticks and mothers who pop two caps in their childrens brains [/QUOTE] I'm talking about the idea that comes with mental welfare checks when trying to purchase firearms in this country. The idea needs to be worded and implemented correctly so that it doesn't exclude people based on stupid shit from owning a firearm. Gender Dysphoria is classified as a mental illness and a blanket ban of people with mental illnesses could not own firearms bans any transgender from owning a firearm. Its not something in place, its a hypothetical based on an idea to try and limit the number of firearm fatalities due to those with mental illnesses that may be a danger to themselves or others. [QUOTE=Egevened;50596268]"im not trusting my politicians" is the prime expression for "I was raised by milennials to be a little baby who gets everything he wants whenever he wants" regardless of the country you live in [/QUOTE] You're unfamiliar with American politics or you've an axe to grind with millennials for some reason. [URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/08/florida-banned-computers_n_3561701.html"]Anyone remember this?[/URL] Sure it was in Florida but our politicians can't agree on anything anymore and when they do it typically results in some profoundly stupid results.

[QUOTE=Egevened;50596320]you're just making an ass out of yourself [editline]26th June 2016[/editline] nice edits tho[/QUOTE] I'll admit it was a stupid post and you aren't wrong with your points, whatever, but even just your 2nd post sounded overly aggressive(wasn't in reply to me), take a breather dude [QUOTE=Fourm Shark;50596349]The gun totally caused a mother to shoot her two children, and not some fucked up mental problem.[/QUOTE] I wish we could have a better way of knowing who to trust with guns, it's sad that shit like this happens, but there's not really any way of totally knowing. I'm sure other countries have great systems but I'm ignorant of them

[QUOTE=Senscith;50596384]I'm talking about the idea that comes with mental welfare checks when trying to purchase firearms in this country. The idea needs to be worded and implemented correctly so that it doesn't exclude people based on stupid shit from owning a firearm. Gender Dysphoria is classified as a mental illness and a blanket ban of people with mental illnesses could not own firearms bans any transgender from owning a firearm. Its not something in place, its a hypothetical based on an idea to try and limit the number of firearm fatalities due to those with mental illnesses that may be a danger to themselves or other. [/QUOTE] for me speaking your language as a second one, you just completely re-phrased what I said and somehow managed to make it sound like we're on a different opinion

This title is misleading; This Woman is an Alabaman; Which explains a lot.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;50596436] Which explains a lot.[/QUOTE] Such as?

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;50596349]The gun totally enabled a mother to shoot her two children, and not some fucked up mental problem.[/QUOTE] Fixed it for you.

[QUOTE=Egevened;50596391]for me speaking your language as a second one, you just completely re-phrased what I said and somehow managed to make it sound like we're on a different opinion[/QUOTE] How? Your wording made it sound like you assumed it was already in place.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50595942]Never said or actually want that. My dick is just hard from the irony of a 2A gun advocate killing the people they want to defend from the spooky gun-grabbing Demorats. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Creepy Shit Post" - UncleJimmema))[/highlight][/QUOTE] man axelord, seems like you really have an axe to grind

[QUOTE=J Paul;50596043]No children here 21 and 17. Just saying. Also based on their background, there is a high likelihoodd of all three of the ladies here being ridiculous retarded right wing supercunts. Not that anyone should be happy about this, just saying, there's no young kids involved, and they were having a domestic argument that was childish and petty enough that it involved handguns, plus it took place in front of the neighbors. It's a damn shame, sounds like we lost some real winners here.[/QUOTE] 21 and 17 are still incredibly young ages without much experience of life and everything it can offer, 17 isn't even a legal adult. The fact that you look at this story of a mother killing her children and the only thing you can go on about is that they were "retarded right wing supercunts" and that we "lost some real winners" here is amazing. I don't say that often on this forum but people got a serious empathy issue on this site. How are they super cunts or retarded, because their political beliefs do not mesh with yours? I don't expect you to bawl your eyes out. But I'm starting to grow tired of these edgy posts where people here seem to have a serious disconnect. A woman killed her children which the article never stated were armed, they didn't deserve to die, no one deserves to die at the hands of their own [I]mother[/I].

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50596125]Guns exacerbate situations such as these: conflicts get needlessly escalated due to the presence of firearms[/QUOTE] The spirit of John Moses Browning himself does not descend to this mortal plane to transform dinner table arguments into lethal shootouts. If you reach the point where you are willing to [i]murder[/i] someone over an argument I feel pretty confident in saying you have issues and it's not the gun at fault.

[QUOTE=J Paul;50596043]No children here 21 and 17. Just saying. Also based on their background, there is a high likelihoodd of all three of the ladies here being ridiculous retarded right wing supercunts. Not that anyone should be happy about this, just saying, there's no young kids involved, and they were having a domestic argument that was childish and petty enough that it involved handguns, plus it took place in front of the neighbors. It's a damn shame, sounds like we lost some real winners here.[/QUOTE] its okay for someone just starting out in life and someone who hasnt even graduated high school to die because that means less political opposition.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;50596648]its okay for someone just starting out in life and someone who hasnt even graduated high school to die because that means less political opposition.[/QUOTE] "but think of the children!"

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50596125]Guns exacerbate situations such as these: conflicts get needlessly escalated due to the presence of firearms, whether domestic, with criminals, or with police.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=catbarf;50596569]The spirit of John Moses Browning himself does not descend to this mortal plane to transform dinner table arguments into lethal shootouts. If you reach the point where you are willing to [i]murder[/i] someone over an argument I feel pretty confident in saying you have issues and it's not the gun at fault.[/QUOTE] I'd wager that murdering someone without a gun would require more effort and creativity than just picking up a gun and shooting them. He isn't saying that guns are entirely the problem. He's just saying that a normal violent confrontation can escalate to a lethal one with the presence of guns. It isn't rocket science. but if you americans want to pretend that killing someone with a knife/a baseball bat/your fists/whatever is as easy as killing someone with a gun just to make your hobby more convenient for you idk anymore

[QUOTE=Senscith;50596240]Problem becomes what classifies as a mental illness that prevents you from purchasing a firearm? I was treated for depression as a kid, would that put me "at risk" for purchasing a firearm? Being a transgender is considered a mental illness. Its easy to say "just don't let people with mental problems have firearms" but honestly that's a huge territory to try and figure out what is and is not acceptable. And I don't trust our politicians to do it without royally fucking it up.[/QUOTE] I personally would want to have someone with depression go through as much medical care before giving them access to a weapon of some sort, but i can't speak from experience since i don't know anyone with depression and never had depression, so i can't understand what you've been through. And the USA needs to go through a lot before trans-gendered people aren't considered ill. I understand where you're coming from. There is a definite group of mental illnesses that would prevent me from giving someone a gun (i.e. schizophrenia, etc.). But for some reason no one wants that discussion. [QUOTE=srobins;50596279]I think it's interesting whenever people use such loaded language talking about guns. What do you consider "high powered", and why is a rifle worse than a pistol or a shotgun? Moreover, what are the "more powerful weapons" people have access to?[/QUOTE] There are plenty of situations where guns are OK. Rifles for hunting, shooting ranges, certain handguns, gun collecting, a shotgun for home defense. I consider a more powerful gun to be anything that can have a high fire rate and a large magazine. There's no practical reason to carry those guns around in your day to day life.

[QUOTE=megafat;50596831] I consider a more powerful gun to be anything that can have a high fire rate and a large magazine. There's no practical reason to carry those guns around in your day to day life.[/QUOTE] A magazine is a detachable box and spring. The gun itself has no ability to prevent a 30rd magazine from being inserted. And define "high fire rate"? Any semi-auto will only fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. Which firing slower is much better for aiming than say full auto (which is why the military restricted full auto weapons to SAWs). What I'm trying to point out is that your understanding of weapons is horribly misinformed. For example, a AR-15 and Mini 14 are exactly identical functionally. But the anti-gun lobby only focuses on one for purely how it looks. Because they know they can scare people into banning it. A hunting rifle for instance would be overkill on a human. Because large game needs large bullets to kill them.

[QUOTE=megafat;50596831]I personally would want to have someone with depression go through as much medical care before giving them access to a weapon of some sort, but i can't speak from experience since i don't know anyone with depression and never had depression, so i can't understand what you've been through.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html]Given that most gun deaths are suicide and not murder, it's probably best to treat depression and keep guns from those treated[/url]

So much for not using tragedy to push agenda.

[QUOTE=megafat;50596140]Thanks for jumping the gun there buddy. But preventing people with mental illness or bad intent getting a gun is worth a few people not having high powered rifles and more powerful weapons.[/QUOTE] Just a tip: any time you use the phrase "high powered rifle" anyone remotely familiar with guns knows you are talking out of your ass. Define "high powered rifle"

[QUOTE=GunFox;50597261]Just a tip: any time you use the phrase "high powered rifle" anyone remotely familiar with guns knows you are talking out of your ass. Define "high powered rifle"[/QUOTE] When you fire a taser rifle from a skyscraper Right?

[QUOTE=GunFox;50597261]Just a tip: any time you use the phrase "high powered rifle" anyone remotely familiar with guns knows you are talking out of your ass. Define "high powered rifle"[/QUOTE] This? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/M82rifle.jpg/1920px-M82rifle.jpg[/t]

I'm pretty sure .50cal are like the semi truck of guns over here. Too expensive to own and mostly for military so it won't be common enough to be a problem with civilians. Pretty bad example I think :v:

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;50597306]This? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/M82rifle.jpg/1920px-M82rifle.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] A) That's just an example, not a definition B) How many civilians do have this kind of shit? C) Why is it any worse than a pistol or a "non high-powered" rifle?