White firefighters awarded $2.5 million in discrimination case - Polidicks

[QUOTE=thisispain;34645974]that's funny because the reason affirmative action exists is because black people don't have the same opportunity as white people. you're acting like white people are the ones that have less opportunity now. just so you know, that's pretty stupid. just being white means you have better credit.[/QUOTE] Alright, I'm just going to go on a little rant here. In North America, the majority of people are white, which means by this logic that the MAJORITY of people WORKING in a JOB will be of this COLOUR, because there are more of us. The word MINORITY comes from the fact that out of all the population, they are not the MAJORITY. You want to talk about how white people are disadvantaged now? I'm going to have fun with this. Have you ever heard of white only scholarships? Fraternities? Organizations? Clubs? That's because hey, there are none! We have to allow everyone an equal chance, but it is seen as 'fair' that Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians all be allowed to create all of those mentioned above in the name of equality, that's great, right? A total step forward! Ever hear of a "hate crime"? Those terrible things that white people do all the time to others? How rude are we! Did you know California charged it's first hate crime against a white person a year or two ago? WOW! A white person beat because he was white, well that never happens! Affirmative action programs are a joke, they really are. The best individual for the job should get it not based on their skin colour, head dress or if they got tits. It should be THE best person to do the job and if they suck they get fired because of that, not because they look different. Affirmative action programs are basically government enforced discrimination programs. I am not going to be fucking naive and say people never get fired for how they are, but holy fuck to think that it is running rampant due to the white man now a days is fucking ridiculous. You have Asians who hate Blacks, Blacks who hate Hispanics, Asians who hate Hispanics, it's not just the god damn white people, everyone contributes. There are even government programs to help out families and kids of minority households to go to college. Even at the schools, if I were to call someone a nigger, chink or spic it would cause such an uproar, but the black girl in my old school can run down the hallways screaming "Death to all honkeys, kill the white fuckers" and that perfectly acceptable because they are just expressing their hate at such a corrupt system, where people who don't do their work are discriminated against and given lower marks based solely on their skin, not lack of work.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;34628666]That would be true IF the 'equal treatment' starts from the very beginning. If, for example, out of 200 firefighters on a department, 190 of them are white males- it's a joke to say equal treatment is going on in the first place. [/QUOTE] What if 190/200 people in that state/area are white males?

I remember this case. It's nice to see they won it

[QUOTE=Gundevil;34650401]Alright, I'm just going to go on a little rant here. In North America, the majority of people are white, which means by this logic that the MAJORITY of people WORKING in a JOB will be of this COLOUR, because there are more of us. The word MINORITY comes from the fact that out of all the population, they are not the MAJORITY. You want to talk about how white people are disadvantaged now? I'm going to have fun with this. Have you ever heard of white only scholarships? Fraternities? Organizations? Clubs? That's because hey, there are none! We have to allow everyone an equal chance, but it is seen as 'fair' that Hispanics, African-Americans, Asians all be allowed to create all of those mentioned above in the name of equality, that's great, right? A total step forward! Ever hear of a "hate crime"? Those terrible things that white people do all the time to others? How rude are we! Did you know California charged it's first hate crime against a white person a year or two ago? WOW! A white person beat because he was white, well that never happens! Affirmative action programs are a joke, they really are. The best individual for the job should get it not based on their skin colour, head dress or if they got tits. It should be THE best person to do the job and if they suck they get fired because of that, not because they look different. Affirmative action programs are basically government enforced discrimination programs. I am not going to be fucking naive and say people never get fired for how they are, but holy fuck to think that it is running rampant due to the white man now a days is fucking ridiculous. You have Asians who hate Blacks, Blacks who hate Hispanics, Asians who hate Hispanics, it's not just the god damn white people, everyone contributes. There are even government programs to help out families and kids of minority households to go to college. Even at the schools, if I were to call someone a nigger, chink or spic it would cause such an uproar, but the black girl in my old school can run down the hallways screaming "Death to all honkeys, kill the white fuckers" and that perfectly acceptable because they are just expressing their hate at such a corrupt system, where people who don't do their work are discriminated against and given lower marks based solely on their skin, not lack of work.[/QUOTE] White people, however, do not have 300 years of oppression behind them. White people don't get written out of history books. White people (by and large) never had to worry about getting lynched. White people don't have to worry about getting represented in media. White people(men in particular) never had to worry about getting a fair wage. White people never have to worry about not being accepted to a good school. White people never had to worry about sitting on the wrong part of the bus. A minority is not a minority because there are less of them in the country. It is because they hold less social power. Most of the Fortune 500 CEOs are white men. Most presidents are white men. Most Congress members are white men.

[QUOTE=Gundevil;34650401] Affirmative action programs are a joke, they really are. The best individual for the job should get it not based on their skin colour, head dress or if they got tits. It should be THE best person to do the job and if they suck they get fired because of that, not because they look different. Affirmative action programs are basically government enforced discrimination programs. I am not going to be fucking naive and say people never get fired for how they are, but holy fuck to think that it is running rampant due to the white man now a days is fucking ridiculous. You have Asians who hate Blacks, Blacks who hate Hispanics, Asians who hate Hispanics, it's not just the god damn white people, everyone contributes. [/QUOTE] Huh? They obviously don't hand you a scholarship because of your skin color. They do not only view your written portion for it, they view your school records to see if you're the "BEST person to follow and finish your education". If you don't appear to be that way then they won't accept it. They aren't as retarded as you think they are.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;34656947]Huh? They obviously don't hand you a scholarship because of your skin color. They do not only view your written portion for it, they view your school records to see if you're the "BEST person to follow and finish your education". If you don't appear to be that way then they won't accept it. They aren't as retarded as you think they are.[/QUOTE] I get tons of scholarship offers because I'm a Hispanic in a STEM major (computer science). Just today, I got an application for a $2,000 one.

[QUOTE=Swilly;34650273]I have to agree with Zeke, however there is more and more evidence showing just people in general don't have an equal chance.[/QUOTE] Wow I even have people agreeing with me before I post [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=KillerJaguar;34657648]I get tons of scholarship offers because I'm a Hispanic in a STEM major (computer science). Just today, I got an application for a $2,000 one.[/QUOTE] White people get disproportionately more scholarships than minorities do even WITH minority-specific scholarship programs [url]http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/09/06/merit_based_and_private_scholarships_disproportionately_favor_white_students[/url] [release]At public colleges, white students made up 62.7 percent of the student population but were 73.1 percent of the recipients of merit-based grants and received 68.2 percent of the merit-based funds; at private nonprofit colleges, white students made up 66.8 percent of the collective student bodies but received nearly 80 percent of the merit-based grants. [b]Over all, white students were nearly twice as likely as minority students with SAT scores of at least 1400 (on a 1600 scale) to receive institutional merit-based scholarships, Kantrowitz says.[/b] [/release] Even merit-based scholarships aren't awarded on the basis of merit, but rather on the basis of whiteness this is why affirmative action exists, if you say it victimizes white people you're a damned fool

$49,000 to $500,000 Is there a typo there?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34657695]Even merit-based scholarships aren't awarded on the basis of merit, but rather on the basis of whiteness[/QUOTE] From where are you drawing this conclusion?

[QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;34656808]White people, however, do not have 300 years of oppression behind them. White people don't get written out of history books. White people (by and large) never had to worry about getting lynched. White people don't have to worry about getting represented in media. White people(men in particular) never had to worry about getting a fair wage. White people never have to worry about not being accepted to a good school. White people never had to worry about sitting on the wrong part of the bus. A minority is not a minority because there are less of them in the country. It is because they hold less social power. Most of the Fortune 500 CEOs are white men. Most presidents are white men. Most Congress members are white men.[/QUOTE] I'm so sorry people had it rough back then, I really am, but to think that the best solution is to punish the descendants of the people who did that leads us in a big fucking circle. I'm sorry but get off your ass and improve your status in the country, MLK knew that but after him everyone sat around expecting a fucking handout. A minority is a group of people who are visibility different then the majority of the country, it's not your fucking social standing, it's how many of you there are. Again, I'm so sorry you went through things a few generations ago, deal with it. Shit happens, tough luck. I heard more black people at my school complain about the slave trade then I did Jews about the holocaust. The fact is people claim racism so quickly it's become silly. Yea more white people have been president because look at the ratio of the politicians, white compared to black. Like holy fuck man, it's not racism, it's demographics. To claim that now a days universities will deny you on your skin colour is just silly, a few MIGHT in the RARE cases would have, but it's not fucking rampant. You don't get sent to the back of the bus, that was 50 years ago, yes it was bad but it's done with, things have changed so really, It's not an argument anymore. I worked for 4 years on minimum wage and my co-worker got $3 more then me his first day and he was black but I was more qualified, should I file for racism or because I'm white it can't happen? Misrepresented in the media? Did the media pull any punches for the Columbine shooters? How about Gacy, Bundy, Pickton, Bernardo, Dahmer? Didn't think so. The media reports on crimes, some word it differently and like I said, their not going to give a description saying "There is a man out there who has done something really bad, if seen please call" without a picture. They describe someone as black, white, Hispanic or Asian and mention the crime. It's not a fucking misrepresentation, it's a description and making people aware, I'm sorry if a large percentage of crime is perpetrated by African-Americans, but it's been proven. Stop living in the past, honestly just grow up, quit your bitching and try to make your life better. If your not satisfied with the ratio of white to other in politics, get off your ass and go do something about it. Don't like how underprivildged coloured people are when they apply to school? Get off your ass and do something about it. I hate to say this, I really do but you need to stop living off of handouts. It sounds bad but EVERY PERSON who was not white and british had to work their ass off to get the respect they have now. Irish, Germans, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, Jewish, Hispanics. They all worked their fingers to the bone to stop being treated like second class citizens, and I see people sitting here complaining and crying about the way the world is. Run for office, try to get elected. Hell, start up a non-profit organization devoted to the advancement of coloured people and try to help them get into universities. It's not the fucking 1800's. Hell, it's not even the 1960's. I hate to break it to you, but racism on the degree your talking to is not widespread and is in certain areas in your country. And sitting there crying your eyes out won't change a damn thing. Getting up, taking them to court or going to the press about it will. [QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;34656947]Huh? They obviously don't hand you a scholarship because of your skin color. They do not only view your written portion for it, they view your school records to see if you're the "BEST person to follow and finish your education". If you don't appear to be that way then they won't accept it. They aren't as retarded as you think they are.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about ones where a requirement is that your skin be this colour. They tried to make white scholarships but that was deemed unfair by some miniority groups seeing that "Having white skin is the same as having a scholarship" [video=youtube;k-wR5GyAr8s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-wR5GyAr8s[/video] Fucking people out there so ready to preach equality but when the true form of it is shown, they run and hide because they think it should be limited just to them. In other words, you want special perks for your race, then ALL races can get them. Saying we can't is just as racist as denying you those exact same ones.

[QUOTE=Gundevil;34650401]Alright, I'm just going to go on a little rant here. [/QUOTE] save it for someone who cares. [url]http://www.fpg.unc.edu/~scpp/pdfs/whiteprivilegechecklist.pdf[/url] [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Gundevil;34658297] I'm talking about ones where a requirement is that your skin be this colour. They tried to make white scholarships but that was deemed unfair by some miniority groups seeing that "Having white skin is the same as having a scholarship"[/QUOTE] there wouldn't be a need for black scholarships if black people had an equal chance to get scholarships. here's a brilliant man putting you in your place: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65KyX9afOEU[/media] [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Gundevil;34658297]I'm so sorry people had it rough back then, I really am, but to think that the best solution is to punish the descendants of the people who did that leads us in a big fucking circle.[/QUOTE] lol who's punishing you exactly?

[QUOTE=DesumThePanda;34628089]Firefighters are awesome.[/QUOTE] The firefighters in my area suck. They're always wasting their time not fire-fighting and instead, appearing in sexy calendars for women.

[QUOTE=Gundevil;34658297]Misrepresented in the media? Did the media pull any punches for the Columbine shooters? How about Gacy, Bundy, Pickton, Bernardo, Dahmer?[/QUOTE] That's actually not what I'm talking about. I mean shit like TV and Movies. [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] I love that you're saying black people are where they are because they're lazy.

[QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;34658657]That's actually not what I'm talking about. I mean shit like TV and Movies. [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] I love that you're saying black people are where they are because they're lazy.[/QUOTE] I think that some minorities are where they are because of affirmative action and the like. Shit that's propagated by the Democrats so that they can buy the votes of these minorities. Hell, these programs even create dependence on themselves. Really, all affirmative action does is cause resentment from the majority. Pretty much the exact opposite thing it's supposed to do. Hell, I know a guy that's going to school to be a doctor. I don't consider him "white" because he isn't even from Europe. But he's trying to find a research lab or something to be a part of, and the ones he can find that aren't full only accept minorities. By making the decision to accept only minorities, wouldn't one be making the willful decision to discriminate against the majority? In America's case, "whites?" But this type of thing is typical in any situation where there are two groups of people, and A has a history of discriminating against B. If B group gets on equal footing with A group, they're going to try to consolidate the power around themselves, or even try to oppress the A's because of revanchism or irredentism.

[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34659348]I think that some minorities are where they are because of affirmative action and the like. Shit that's propagated by the Democrats so that they can buy the votes of these minorities. Hell, these programs even create dependence on themselves. Really, all affirmative action does is cause resentment from the majority. Pretty much the exact opposite thing it's supposed to do. Hell, I know a guy that's going to school to be a doctor. I don't consider him "white" because he isn't even from Europe. But he's trying to find a research lab or something to be a part of, and they only accept minorities. By making the decision to accept only minorities, wouldn't one be making the willful decision to discriminate against the majority? In America's case, "whites?"[/QUOTE] I'm can't take you seriously with that avatar. Not while discussing anything to do with race.

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34659360]I'm can't take you seriously with that avatar. Not while discussing anything to do with race.[/QUOTE] That's my state's flag. Yes, I know. But it says where I'm from. I kinda wish our state would adopt a new flag. I know a bit about vexillogy, so I guess I should get to designing one if I actually want change. We had a referendum a few years ago to change the flag, but the proposal looked like ass (though it was sound in what it represented.) I guess it was still better than most states' flags, which are just the state seal or crest of w/e on a blue field. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GjbX3.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34659348] But he's trying to find a research lab or something to be a part of, and they only accept minorities. [/QUOTE] that lie doesn't even make sense

[QUOTE=thisispain;34659399]that lie doesn't even make sense[/QUOTE] Okay, I'm a liar. I just made that up real quick just to win an argument on the internet. Seriously dude, get real. I will admit that it may or may not make sense, because I can't exactly recall the proper name of the thing he's trying to get into (Is there a [future] doctor in the house? :v:). Oh, and I should probably have said that the ones that aren't full only accept minorities. Sorry, pretty big omission. Anyway, to try to add to this thread. Race (the classification of man based upon the colour of one's skin) shouldn't even be brought up anymore. It's an irrelevant, archaic form of pseudo-science. Why does race STILL matter? If I had to bet, I'd say the civil rights leaders of today. Some of them have a way of pretending it's still the 60's and that minorities don't have opportunities to do whatever the hell they want, then labelling certain whites as racist just because the white people don't necessarily agree with them. It's like they want whites to be afraid of them so that they can abuse their position as the de facto "discriminated against" race to get ahead in the grand scheme of things. Race has no place in today's society, and it's part of the reason I want to leave America. The only country where race matters is America. You just don't see this shit in other countries.

[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34659442]Okay, I'm a liar. I just made that up real quick just to win an argument on the internet. Seriously dude, get real.[/QUOTE] it doesn't make any sense. there are so many white people who work in "research labs", why is this mysterious friend having trouble finding a lab to work at. what is he a doctor in? aromatherapy?

[QUOTE=thisispain;34659458]it doesn't make any sense. there are so many white people who work in "research labs", why is this mysterious friend having trouble finding a lab to work at. what is he a doctor in? aromatherapy?[/QUOTE] He's [I]studying[/I] to be a Medical Doctor. He's an Associate right now. I think he's about a year out of being a Bachelor, though.

[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34659442] Race has no place in today's society, and it's part of the reason I want to leave America. The only country where race matters is America. You just don't see this shit in other countries.[/QUOTE] well because Europe has a huge problem with institutional racism. you don't see this shit in other countries because they don't give a shit about them. it's pretty easy for a white southern to declare racism doesn't exist. [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34659618]He's [I]studying[/I] to be a Medical Doctor. He's an Associate right now. I think he's about a year out of being a Bachelor, though.[/QUOTE] exactly what research lab was he planning to join with an associates degree?

[QUOTE=thisispain;34659638]well because Europe has a huge problem with institutional racism. you don't see this shit in other countries because they don't give a shit about them. it's pretty easy for a white southern to declare racism doesn't exist. [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] exactly what research lab was he planning to join with an associates degree?[/QUOTE] Not sure, he never went into detail. That's all I know. But if you're really this curious, I could go and ask him next time I see him.

[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34659676]Not sure, he never went into detail. That's all I know. But if you're really this curious, I could go and ask him next time I see him.[/QUOTE] he never went into detail because it was a big fat lie. if he only has an associates degree then i don't think he's really qualified for anything at a research lab. even a lab technician usually requires a bachelor's degree.

[QUOTE=Cutts;34628381]I still can't stand these "Emotional damages" that people receive in cases like that. Oh, your feelings are hurt? Why don't you sue someone over it? (I feel like I should have put that into a condescending wonka meme, but fuck it).[/QUOTE] You have to understand that in addition to the monetary cost of not getting a promotion, there is also an "opportunity cost": having the money back then could have been more useful than having it now. Perhaps they would have banked it and collected interest, or invested it and made money? Because there is almost no way to really quantify this (and because emotional damage is a real thing) they just throw all the extras into "emotional damages" and call it a day. [QUOTE=thisispain;34645974]that's funny because the reason affirmative action exists is because black people don't have the same opportunity as white people. you're acting like white people are the ones that have less opportunity now. just so you know, that's pretty stupid. just being white means you have better credit.[/QUOTE] The only real solution is a proper education, which everyone should have a chance to get. "Affirmative action" is just a band-aid solution that doesn't even help everyone that needs it.

[QUOTE=thisispain;34659693]he never went into detail because it was a big fat lie. if he only has an associates degree then i don't think he's really qualified for anything at a research lab. even a lab technician usually requires a bachelor's degree.[/QUOTE] Perhaps he's trying to get his ducks into a row? Perhaps I was wrong on my terminology? Or perhaps you just have an agenda that whites don't fit into. "Reverse" Discrimination exists. In some areas, it's worse than others. My area (western mississippi) happens to feature a black majority, so I see the shit every day, and it's pretty fucking sad that a race that was oppressed 50 years ago would try and do the same shit to another race. Do you deny the holocaust too?

[QUOTE=Bel Irkalli;34659719]Perhaps he's trying to get his ducks into a row?[/QUOTE] or maybe he's complaining about something because as a white person he's used to having the privilege of getting a job over a minority. just as a lot of minorities are used to white people getting the job over them and don't deny that [url=http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/stats-on-human-rights/statistics-on-xenophobia-immigration-and-asylum/statistics-on-racism/]because that's an absolute fact[/url] [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=FlakAttack;34659718] The only real solution is a proper education, which everyone should have a chance to get. "Affirmative action" is just a band-aid solution that doesn't even help everyone that needs it.[/QUOTE] it helps people and that's the only thing i care about. affirmative action is not even close to giving black people the same privilege as white people. black people on average have far less jobs available to them than white people.

[QUOTE=thisispain;34658496]save it for someone who cares. [url]http://www.fpg.unc.edu/~scpp/pdfs/whiteprivilegechecklist.pdf[/url] [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] there wouldn't be a need for black scholarships if black people had an equal chance to get scholarships. here's a brilliant man putting you in your place: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65KyX9afOEU[/media] [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] lol who's punishing you exactly?[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, you don't like what I have to say so you completely ignore it? Wow, calling me the irrational one. A brilliant man? He can't accept blame. Yes, the white people had black slaves back in the day, and yea, the treatment black people received was terrible. But why does that entitle them to such treatment today? The past treatment you received doesn't give you an excuse to get all these perks white people don't. I'm sorry but to bitch about your social standing is just silly. There are just as many broke white families as there are African-American ones. I can't afford University, I have to work 14 hours a day 6 days a week to pay for it. I graduated last year and people in my class with lower marks with me received scholarships based on race. That's equality? That's fairness? The problem with the argument today is the fact that the Black Community is so quick to use the white guilt card they can't begin to imagine how it is for us. They say that being white is a scholarship. That didn't pay for my courses did it? I didn't get a magical bank deposit for it. The colour of your skin should not play any factor in getting a job, scholarship or anything else at all. It does in some cases but that's not white people doing that, that's banks and corporations doing it. Put the blame where it really belongs or close your mouth, I'm not going to be told my skin colour has given me a life of privilege when I've lived below the poverty line for 19 years. The people who think we should have percentage quotas in the workplace, best people should get the job, the scholarships, the opportunity. Not the one who has a different shade of skin. [QUOTE=Lizard Of Guilt;34658657]That's actually not what I'm talking about. I mean shit like TV and Movies. [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] I love that you're saying black people are where they are because they're lazy.[/QUOTE] Movies make it so all Europeans are evil just about, not really directed to any one race. You want a misrepresentation, how about Tyler Perry films? Everyone who's black talk like that? No I'm saying they are where they are because out of them, few actually try to better the situation. A lot of people don't go out to actually improve it, they sit around and complain, that's all I've ever seen from the ones in my area. Yes, some try to better their community, but a lot of people need to just get up and try, raise their voice and shit will change. Look at the movement with MLK, he was able to inspire people to actually go out and change their lives and statuses.

[QUOTE=Gundevil;34659831]I'm not going to be told my skin colour has given me a life of privilege when I've lived below the poverty line for 19 years.[/QUOTE] you're confusing the individual and the institution. you can't say that you'd be better off if you were black because we know for a fact that isn't true. black people have less credit just on the notion of their skin colour and black people don't get accepted for jobs as quick as white people. no-one's telling you anything, we're talking about the western institution and the system set up to benefit only the majority population IE white people and no-one else. don't blame anyone but yourself for completely misunderstanding what anyone is saying. when we talk about white privilege we're not saying "oh your white that means you have it better than anyone", absolutely not. what we are saying is that there's a system and an institution which favours one group of people over the other and that needs to change. you might not see it that way but you aren't black and you obviously have not read the certifiable research done into it. you can rant and say shit all you want but they are empty ignorant words that don't mean anything. that's why i ignored it. [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Gundevil;34659831]Look at the movement with MLK, he was able to inspire people to actually go out and change their lives and statuses.[/QUOTE] people are doing that and you're dismissing it.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;34656947]Huh? They obviously don't hand you a scholarship because of your skin color. They do not only view your written portion for it, they view your school records to see if you're the "BEST person to follow and finish your education". If you don't appear to be that way then they won't accept it. They aren't as retarded as you think they are.[/QUOTE] um i don't know if you're aware of this or not but there's race specific scholarships my latino and black friends quality for scholarships that i can't even apply for because of my skin color i'm not saying whites are disadvantaged, but affirmative action and other race specific ways to make up for our past are just further separating people. why exactly should i pay for what people i've never met or endorsed did years and years ago before i was born? if you want equality you should work towards equality, not giving one side a new edge in an attempt to make up for the actions of people that have been dead for generations.

[QUOTE=thisispain;34659758]or maybe he's complaining about something because as a white person he's used to having the privilege of getting a job over a minority. just as a lot of minorities are used to white people getting the job over them and don't deny that [url=http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/stats-on-human-rights/statistics-on-xenophobia-immigration-and-asylum/statistics-on-racism/]because that's an absolute fact[/url] [editline]11th February 2012[/editline] it helps people and that's the only thing i care about. affirmative action is not even close to giving black people the same privilege as white people. black people on average have far less jobs available to them than white people.[/QUOTE] Many lower income people start working at a younger age (I started working at 13,) you've got specific groups of people that aren't doing well in school for a variety of factors. The real problem here is low income and poverty. However, the secondary problem is that the proportions of people that are low income, in poverty, or on welfare don't match the proportions of the population of our country. But hey, let's just abuse our position as a race that used to be discriminated against to get ahead in society at the cost of the whites. Who cares about them? [QUOTE=Kopimi;34659919]um i don't know if you're aware of this or not but there's race specific scholarships my latino and black friends quality for scholarships that i can't even apply for because of my skin color i'm not saying whites are disadvantaged, but affirmative action and other race specific ways to make up for our past are just further separating people. why exactly should i pay for what people i've never met or endorsed did years and years ago before i was born? if you want equality you should work towards equality, not giving one side a new edge in an attempt to make up for the actions of people that have been dead for generations.[/QUOTE] Also this. So much this.