Facebook says it can't guarantee social media is good for democracy
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[QUOTE=MeepDarknessM;53072558]In my experience anyone who defends the GOP or Donald Trump almost always get flamed and told they are a retard. For an example, check my visitor messages. That was from me saying that people vote for what ideals they have, not for what the person they voted for have done in their personal time.[/QUOTE]
Facepunch suffers from zergs of like minded people. Not a hivemind.
[editline]22nd January 2018[/editline]
I will say that Facepunch leans left, but that's because we have large portions of European/British FPers and so they're center is left for Americans.
So it appears left for Republican users, because they're far right globally.
[QUOTE=Luni;53072078]Except on the internet, you can easily surround yourself with other people who share your most niche hobbies or insane beliefs, and you're more likely to make your fringe beliefs public. Like how furry communities only really exist online, or 9/11 truthers, or /pol/.
Let's take some insane belief...
e: or consider NAMBLA or child porn rings, which absolutely nobody is going to admit they're a member of -- on the internet they can anonymously find hundreds or thousands of people who think just like them[/QUOTE]
The thing about people who hold these insane beliefs tho is that it doesn't matter weather or not the internet is there, they'll still hold their belief. There are plenty of conspiracies that predates the internet. You also mention NAMBLA, but that kind of activity can be traced back to the ancient Greeks. Then there's stuff like bestiality which predates the internet, and afair the furries are a product of cosplay conventions.
My point is that the internet has made it easier to do so both ways. It's just as easy for me to go to liberal hugboxes as it is to go to conservative hugboxes. Which is why I said that it was uneducated people that were the problem
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;53072109]Eh, not really. It has the [I]potential[/I] to be, but as we see it now, it's just a cancerous cesspool of echo chambers far too easily influenced by hostile actors. Used to be a day you needed agents on the ground to rig elections, nowadays you can throw a pittance at a few pissed-at-the-world teenagers and they can do it from the comfort of their own home. Emphasis on 'few', because you only need enough to seed the idea, it will propagate on its own after a while.[/QUOTE]
Yes I agree, and that's why I said that uneducated people ruined it
[QUOTE=MeepDarknessM;53072538]facepunch is also such a case[/QUOTE]
wrong we have our savior and redeemer, tudd (the devil) fudders
[QUOTE=Reflex F.N.;53072106]In my opinion, the way most social media sites like Facebook and YouTube use techniques to learn what your interests are and start showing you content that goes along with your interests is the most dangerous thing about them because it will easily trap you into an echo chamber whether you like it or not.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly why I downloaded an extension to get rid of all this shit. It's called [URL="https://www.facebook.com/fluffbustingpurity/"]Fluff Busting Purity[/URL], and it completely neuters Facebook's ability to do anything other than show posts from people you are friends with. Combine it with a good adblocker (AKA Ublock origin) and you'll never have to deal with any of this garbage again.
[QUOTE=MeepDarknessM;53072558]In my experience anyone who defends the GOP or Donald Trump almost always get flamed and told they are a retard. For an example, check my visitor messages. That was from me saying that people vote for what ideals they have, not for what the person they voted for have done in their personal time.[/QUOTE]
I think that's just gonna happen if you support the most unpopular president in years. That's not an echo chamber thing, he's polling a 38% approval. Maybe conservatives are the ones in an echo chamber? I dunno! Just throwing that idea out there.
[editline]22nd January 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;53073112]This is exactly why I downloaded an extension to get rid of all this shit. It's called [URL="https://www.facebook.com/fluffbustingpurity/"]Fluff Busting Purity[/URL], and it completely neuters Facebook's ability to do anything other than show posts from people you are friends with. Combine it with a good adblocker (AKA Ublock origin) and you'll never have to deal with any of this garbage again.[/QUOTE]
This is a good extension
[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;53073112]This is exactly why I downloaded an extension to get rid of all this shit. It's called [URL="https://www.facebook.com/fluffbustingpurity/"]Fluff Busting Purity[/URL], and it completely neuters Facebook's ability to do anything other than show posts from people you are friends with. Combine it with a good adblocker (AKA Ublock origin) and you'll never have to deal with any of this garbage again.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for recommending FB; this is the first time I hear of this extension. :happy:
[QUOTE=MeepDarknessM;53072558]In my experience anyone who defends the GOP or Donald Trump almost always get flamed and told they are a retard. For an example, check my visitor messages. That was from me saying that people vote for what ideals they have, not for what the person they voted for have done in their personal time.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure flaming is grounds for a ban regardless of ones political stance, you should report those people, but it's certainly not a sign of a hive mind or echo chamber.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;53072996]The thing about people who hold these insane beliefs tho is that it doesn't matter weather or not the internet is there, they'll still hold their belief. There are plenty of conspiracies that predates the internet. You also mention NAMBLA, but that kind of activity can be traced back to the ancient Greeks. Then there's stuff like bestiality which predates the internet, and afair the furries are a product of cosplay conventions.
My point is that the internet has made it easier to do so both ways. It's just as easy for me to go to liberal hugboxes as it is to go to conservative hugboxes. Which is why I said that it was uneducated people that were the problem
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
Yes I agree, and that's why I said that uneducated people ruined it[/QUOTE]
I dont think its a matter of educated or uneducated. Rather, its a matter of human mental tendencies. We are hardwired to associate with individuals with whom we are most compatible. We just naturally tend to form echo chambers. Given how social media is designed to work....well, educated to the brim or barely past fifth grade, it funnels like minded people together.
[QUOTE=MeepDarknessM;53072538]facepunch is also such a case[/QUOTE]
Depends, it might look that way from the fringes, where most average people have views different from your own. From socially liberal economically left standpoint I think facepunch is fairly diverse, especially economically, we got commies, we got libertarians and every stripe between. Socially we are perhaps less diverse but bring up something like BLM or gun rights and you'll get lots of differing views.
IMO facepunch ain't an echo chamber
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;53074445]Depends, it might look that way from the fringes, where most average people have views different from your own. From socially liberal economically left standpoint I think facepunch is fairly diverse, especially economically, we got commies, we got libertarians and every stripe between. Socially we are perhaps less diverse but bring up something like BLM or gun rights and you'll get lots of differing views.
IMO facepunch ain't an echo chamber[/QUOTE]
I think it's fair to call Facepunch left-leaning, though. A few years ago, I remember way, way more arguments and debate over political issues. People casually threw around "SJW" to dismiss arguments, feminism was wildly unpopular, and BLM was significantly more divisive - an issue that got me an enormous amount of flak. That changed pretty rapidly over the last year, though. Used to be plenty of arguments over Trump, and plenty of supporters - especially during the primaries - now it's basically down to maybe the same three or four guys who are patient enough to keep discussing the issue.
There's still a surprisingly good variety in political views, here, though. Just not nearly as much as there used to be. I remember arguing with an anarcho-capitalist before. Now, you're lucky for a libertarian to chime in on any issue other than gun rights. We're left-leaning, but that varies from centrist to full communist, and there's only a smattering of more right-wing folks left.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;53074445]Depends, it might look that way from the fringes, where most average people have views different from your own. From socially liberal economically left standpoint I think facepunch is fairly diverse, especially economically, we got commies, we got libertarians and every stripe between. Socially we are perhaps less diverse but bring up something like BLM or gun rights and you'll get lots of differing views.
IMO facepunch ain't an echo chamber[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Facepunch isn't too bad. It's generally left-leaning, but there are forums that'll ban you for having the wrong opinion, or where you'll just get completely mocked or drowned out. We have the opposite, some members of our community get upset that we [I]don't[/I] ban people for having the wrong opinions. And good moderation keeps things civil, unlike many forums where differences in opinion almost immediately degenerate into personal attacks.
Reddit is an example of a place where having the wrong opinion could get you banned from one sub, downvoted to nothing in another, and nothing but praise in another. As a result, the hivemind is incredibly strong there.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;53074593]I think it's fair to call Facepunch left-leaning, though. A few years ago, I remember way, way more arguments and debate over political issues. People casually threw around "SJW" to dismiss arguments, feminism was wildly unpopular, and BLM was significantly more divisive - an issue that got me an enormous amount of flak. That changed pretty rapidly over the last year, though. Used to be plenty of arguments over Trump, and plenty of supporters - especially during the primaries - now it's basically down to maybe the same three or four guys who are patient enough to keep discussing the issue.
There's still a surprisingly good variety in political views, here, though. Just not nearly as much as there used to be. I remember arguing with an anarcho-capitalist before. Now, you're lucky for a libertarian to chime in on any issue other than gun rights. We're left-leaning, but that varies from centrist to full communist, and there's only a smattering of more right-wing folks left.[/QUOTE]
It's only left-leaning from an American viewpoint. Most people here are progressives from a social standpoint but I'm not so sure the forum is as unanimous regarding economic policies.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;53074445]Depends, it might look that way from the fringes, where most average people have views different from your own. From socially liberal economically left standpoint I think facepunch is fairly diverse, especially economically, we got commies, we got libertarians and every stripe between. Socially we are perhaps less diverse but bring up something like BLM or gun rights and you'll get lots of differing views.
IMO facepunch ain't an echo chamber[/QUOTE]
As someone from the other side, Facepunch is like 95% echochamber, but the other 5% are far more vocal than the average person on the other side. If one of the like 10, or so, people not on the left don't post something in disagreement, most political threads would just be pages upon pages of people agreeing with each other. If any arguments were to occur, it would be about whether people's opinions were far enough left.
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
This Walmart thread was a perfect example: [URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590914&highlight=walmart[/URL]
We had basically 28 posts, in a row, bashing Walmart, without actually looking into it at all, until one of the non-left wing posters, myself in this case, posted some contradictory evidence that totally changed the situation in question. In this case, most people seemed to agree that the situation wasn't quite what they were led to believe, and that Walmart didn't screw over these employees, but let's say I had never posted that. We may have had a multi-page thread of echochamber based on incomplete knowledge.
[QUOTE=sgman91;53074827]As someone from the other side, Facepunch is like 95% echochamber, but the other 5% are far more vocal than the average person on the other side. If one of the like 10, or so, people not on the left don't post something in disagreement, most political threads would just be pages upon pages of people agreeing with each other. If any arguments were to occur, it would be about whether people's opinions were far enough left.
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
This Walmart thread was a perfect example: [URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590914&highlight=walmart[/URL]
We had basically 28 posts, in a row, bashing Walmart, without actually looking into it at all, until one of the non-left wing posters, myself in this case, posted some contradictory evidence that totally changed the situation in question. In this case, most people seemed to agree that the situation wasn't quite what they were led to believe, and that Walmart didn't screw over these employees, but let's say I had never posted that. We may have had a multi-page thread of echochamber based on incomplete knowledge.[/QUOTE]
This really isn't any good evidence for whether or not FP is "95% echochamber" imo, more a "people should look for other sources" point.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;53074958]This really isn't any good evidence for whether or not FP is "95% echochamber" imo, more a "people should look for other sources" point.[/QUOTE]
It shows the echochamber by demonstrating the lack of critical thought for issues that line up with the left wing point of view. If a thread is made that fits into the general left-wing worldview, then it gets a pass, whether true or not, from a large portion of posters.
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
On the other hand, if someone were to post a positive article about Walmart, you better bet that there would be a mob of people looking into every detail.
[QUOTE=sgman91;53075008]It shows the echochamber by demonstrating the lack of critical thought for issues that line up with the left wing point of view. If a thread is made that fits into the general left-wing worldview, then it gets a pass, whether true or not, from a large portion of posters.
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
On the other hand, if someone were to post a positive article about Walmart, you better bet that there would be a mob of people looking into every detail.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware "Walmart is a bit shit innit" was a left-wing worldview. Like I said in that thread, Reuters left out the part about being paid for 60 days and I don't think anyone would impeach their jounralistic credentials. It's just that most people don't read the article, let alone click all of the sources inside of it. Like other people said, there is a lot of "critical thought" applied to issues that line up with the left wing point of view on FP. Things like gun rights, BLM, feminism, and communism are hugely controversial on FP. This isn't an echochamber, much less "95% echochamber".
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
The problem with the echochamber/hivemind accusations is that they are sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy. All I have to do to illustrate how much of an echo chamber it is is to post a controversial right-wing opinion then dip out of the thread. Then I can have right wingers later on in another thread, or "centrists", sympathize with how hard it is for right-wingers to post after having 13 people reply to them at once. If more right wingers simply posted then it wouldn't seem so one-side.
[QUOTE=sgman91;53074827]As someone from the other side, Facepunch is like 95% echochamber, but the other 5% are far more vocal than the average person on the other side. If one of the like 10, or so, people not on the left don't post something in disagreement, most political threads would just be pages upon pages of people agreeing with each other. If any arguments were to occur, it would be about whether people's opinions were far enough left.
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
This Walmart thread was a perfect example: [URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590914&highlight=walmart[/URL]
We had basically 28 posts, in a row, bashing Walmart, without actually looking into it at all, until one of the non-left wing posters, myself in this case, posted some contradictory evidence that totally changed the situation in question. In this case, most people seemed to agree that the situation wasn't quite what they were led to believe, and that Walmart didn't screw over these employees, but let's say I had never posted that. We may have had a multi-page thread of echochamber based on incomplete knowledge.[/QUOTE]
FP isn't an echo chamber, but I'd say there's a phenomenon where certain threads tend to attract certain types of people. The Walmart thread for instance attracts people who tend to be irritated by corporate abuse. But tune in in a thread about terrorism or immigration and you're bound to run in posters who'll rant about Islam being incompatible with our society, when they're not being outright racist.
Globally I don't think right wing users are as scarce as you claim. It's just that the majority are either conspiracy theorists, xenophobes or alt-right shills. The only conservative users I know who provide arguments and contribute to rational discussion are you and Silence I Kill You, other than that I don't recall anybody who argued in good faith.
I wouldn't say that FP is an echo chamber by design (or at all), but it feels like it wants to be if you're not on the right side. There is a situation where anyone who isn't left wing can get overwhelmed by negative responses in here. There are a lot of times where I'll post something, go do inspections in the field for an hour or two, come back and there's just a bombardment of replies, and it's quite daunting. At times I've tried to continue, and at other times I've just accepted defeat and given up because there is almost no way to respond to everyone when everyone has a different argument about what you've said. Gives me a headache just thinking about it sometimes.
And I'm not saying that it's intentional like dogpiling, but what it causes is people to just say "it's not worth it" and stay silent, which doesn't help anything, because then views on both sides never get challenged at all, and everything stays the same.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53075171]I wouldn't say that FP is an echo chamber by design (or at all), but it feels like it wants to be if you're not on the right side. There is a situation where anyone who isn't left wing can get overwhelmed by negative responses in here. There are a lot of times where I'll post something, go do inspections in the field for an hour or two, come back and there's just a bombardment of replies, and it's quite daunting. At times I've tried to continue, and at other times I've just accepted defeat and given up because there is almost no way to respond to everyone when everyone has a different argument about what you've said. Gives me a headache just thinking about it sometimes.
And I'm not saying that it's intentional like dogpiling, but what it causes is people to just say "it's not worth it" and stay silent, which doesn't help anything, because then views on both sides never get challenged at all, and everything stays the same.[/QUOTE]
I feel like that tends to happen more often when the thread was recently created. The first few pages of a SH or Polidicks thread are usually either a direct reaction to the article or a contribution to an ongoing debate. But once it goes into page 3 or 4 it becomes less 'popular' and only those who are really invested into the topic remain, which makes it easier to do one on one debate.
[QUOTE=sgman91;53074827]As someone from the other side, Facepunch is like 95% echochamber, but the other 5% are far more vocal than the average person on the other side. If one of the like 10, or so, people not on the left don't post something in disagreement, most political threads would just be pages upon pages of people agreeing with each other. If any arguments were to occur, it would be about whether people's opinions were far enough left.[/QUOTE]
I think a large part of the reason is that our residential right wing posters tend to disappear from threads when what they're arguing turns out to be bunk
Like I said, FP has zergs.
Those zergs tend to clash a lot.
we arent an echo chamber *rates every tudd post dumb regardless of context* its only an echo chamber if *harasses people in visitor messages* the mods ban you *whines to mods for tudd to be banned so badly, new rules are created to curb my shitposting* for having different *accuses you of having an agenda* opinions *posts 20 anti-trump threads* and that would be *replies to well-written trilby harlow or conscript post with a single sentence that is tantamount to: "nice try but i'm going to dismiss everything you've just said because i know you must secretly be evil"* like, *fills political test threads with my borderline marxist results* problematic. *tries to disparage jbp any time he is posted* yikes!! *dogpiles post with 20 different scornful arguments* i mean, the right-wingers are the REAL echo chamber here because *launches 1 1/2 page discussion of whether or not fp is an echo chamber wherein we all make the same case 10 different times* they all react to our bullshit the same way *takes opportunity to make a spicy zinger* YIKES!
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[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53075530]we arent an echo chamber *rates every tudd post dumb regardless of context* its only an echo chamber if *harasses people in visitor messages* the mods ban you [B]*whines to mods for tudd to be banned so badly, new rules are created to curb my shitposting*[/B] for having different[B] *accuses you of having an agenda*[/B] opinions [B]*posts 20 anti-trump threads*[/B] and that would be *replies to well-written trilby harlow or conscript post with a single sentence that is tantamount to: "nice try but i'm going to dismiss everything you've just said because i know you must secretly be evil"* like,[B] *fills political test threads with my borderline marxist results* [/B]problematic.[B] *tries to disparage jbp any time he is posted*[/B] yikes!! [B]*dogpiles post with 20 different scornful arguments*[/B] i mean, the right-wingers are the REAL echo chamber here because *launches 1 1/2 page discussion of whether or not fp is an echo chamber wherein we all make the same case 10 different times* they all react to our bullshit the same way *takes opportunity to make a spicy zinger* YIKES![/QUOTE]
tbh it seems like your problem is less with echo chambers and more with echo chambers not aligning with yourself
My standard for what counts as a echo chamber is basically the_donald and neogaf. Facepunch ain't that bad.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53075171]I wouldn't say that FP is an echo chamber by design (or at all), but it feels like it wants to be if you're not on the right side. There is a situation where anyone who isn't left wing can get overwhelmed by negative responses in here. There are a lot of times where I'll post something, go do inspections in the field for an hour or two, come back and there's just a bombardment of replies, and it's quite daunting. At times I've tried to continue, and at other times I've just accepted defeat and given up because there is almost no way to respond to everyone when everyone has a different argument about what you've said. Gives me a headache just thinking about it sometimes.
And I'm not saying that it's intentional like dogpiling, but what it causes is people to just say "it's not worth it" and stay silent, which doesn't help anything, because then views on both sides never get challenged at all, and everything stays the same.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I see where you're coming from - I can remember getting raked over the coals for sharing unpopular opinions a few years back, when I posted way way more. Defending Hillary, BLM, feminism, issues like that - all of which have become [i]far[/i] more accepted than they used to be on here. Part of it is just the user-base changing. I remember thisispain getting shit-tons of flak [I]years[/I] ago for posting left-wing opinions, including from myself. Now it's very different.
It's definitely not fun to try to catch up to the shit-ton of replies you get from posting a controversial comment, and sometimes I'd just dip out of those threads if I didn't have the time/energy to defend myself.
If anything, we should try to not dogpile you guys so much. The only interesting part of SH and Polidicks is that we have a pretty diverse group of people who can (usually) calmly discuss our disagreements. The more you guys get driven away, the less interesting this forum becomes. Unless you're someone like Pvt Martin, 'cause good riddance that's over.
[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53075530]we arent an echo chamber *rates every tudd post dumb regardless of context* its only an echo chamber if *harasses people in visitor messages* the mods ban you *whines to mods for tudd to be banned so badly, new rules are created to curb my shitposting* for having different *accuses you of having an agenda* opinions *posts 20 anti-trump threads* and that would be *replies to well-written trilby harlow or conscript post with a single sentence that is tantamount to: "nice try but i'm going to dismiss everything you've just said because i know you must secretly be evil"* like, *fills political test threads with my borderline marxist results* problematic. *tries to disparage jbp any time he is posted* yikes!! *dogpiles post with 20 different scornful arguments* i mean, the right-wingers are the REAL echo chamber here because *launches 1 1/2 page discussion of whether or not fp is an echo chamber wherein we all make the same case 10 different times* they all react to our bullshit the same way *takes opportunity to make a spicy zinger* YIKES![/QUOTE]
Alright, let's try to make sense of this post cause dear god that's sore on the eyes.
What you're saying is that facepunch is in fact an echo chamber and that the hate on Tudd and dismissal of proper posts by users that are notorious for their political standings support that statement.
I'll agree with you on one point, I'm kind of annoyed by the amount of (anti) Trump threads, it's hard to distinguish what's actually important and what is just trump being a child - I do think there's a distinction to be made even if major news networks don't. It may not be an easy distinction to made, but I feel like there could be a Trump thread for all the minor shit, although I think we tried that once?
I think Tudd is a horrible example as he obviously does have an agenda. That's undeniable. Wether he should be banned or not, I have no opinion on, but apart from reading posts out of context I've never seen him do anything but push his agenda.
I can sorta chime in a little bit regarding people dismissing certain other users posts with single sentences. On one hand, maybe they're right to dismiss them, on the other I feel like there's often already somebody actually arguing these certain users and that these single sentence snipes or whatever you wanna call them are just unnecessary. Rate and move on, let someone else do the talking if you don't have anything to say.
Part of the reason why we've seen a shift the last few years from a situation where I do remember seeing a lot of right wingers and pro-trumpers to this situation where FP is largely dominated by a center left/left leaning userbase is because of low-effort (shit)posts like the one you just made here. Come on dude.
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
I hope I didn't come off as an ass, the reason why you and others end up making posts like that is frustration, I get it, and ganging up on users and dismissing them and being hostile contributes to that.
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=phygon;53072960]Political threads had a lot more arguments when it wasn't "facts vs non-reality".[/QUOTE]
Part of it is that, but that's not the only reason.
[QUOTE=sgman91;53074827]As someone from the other side, Facepunch is like 95% echochamber, but the other 5% are far more vocal than the average person on the other side. If one of the like 10, or so, people not on the left don't post something in disagreement, most political threads would just be pages upon pages of people agreeing with each other. If any arguments were to occur, it would be about whether people's opinions were far enough left.
[editline]23rd January 2018[/editline]
This Walmart thread was a perfect example: [URL]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1590914&highlight=walmart[/URL]
We had basically 28 posts, in a row, bashing Walmart, without actually looking into it at all, until one of the non-left wing posters, myself in this case, posted some contradictory evidence that totally changed the situation in question. In this case, most people seemed to agree that the situation wasn't quite what they were led to believe, and that Walmart didn't screw over these employees, but let's say I had never posted that. We may have had a multi-page thread of echochamber based on incomplete knowledge.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't your example kind of show that we're not an echo chamber, considering you were able to come in with an outside view, express it, and change people's minds, without being suppressed? That kind of looks really good for facepunch doesn't it
[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53075530]we arent an echo chamber *rates every tudd post dumb regardless of context* its only an echo chamber if *harasses people in visitor messages* the mods ban you *whines to mods for tudd to be banned so badly, new rules are created to curb my shitposting* for having different *accuses you of having an agenda* opinions *posts 20 anti-trump threads* and that would be *replies to well-written trilby harlow or conscript post with a single sentence that is tantamount to: "nice try but i'm going to dismiss everything you've just said because i know you must secretly be evil"* like, *fills political test threads with my borderline marxist results* problematic. *tries to disparage jbp any time he is posted* yikes!! *dogpiles post with 20 different scornful arguments* i mean, the right-wingers are the REAL echo chamber here because *launches 1 1/2 page discussion of whether or not fp is an echo chamber wherein we all make the same case 10 different times* they all react to our bullshit the same way *takes opportunity to make a spicy zinger* YIKES![/QUOTE]
this is a gigantic strawman made of things that don't even indicate an echo chamber in the first place
not only did you add a bunch of random shit that doesn't support your case at all, you ended on the most self-defeating note imaginable
[quote]*takes opportunity to make a spicy zinger*[/quote]
if zingers = circlejerking then wtf are you attempting with this post
[QUOTE=tehMuffinMan;53075530]we arent an echo chamber *rates every tudd post dumb regardless of context* its only an echo chamber if *harasses people in visitor messages* the mods ban you *whines to mods for tudd to be banned so badly, new rules are created to curb my shitposting* for having different *accuses you of having an agenda* opinions *posts 20 anti-trump threads* and that would be *replies to well-written trilby harlow or conscript post with a single sentence that is tantamount to: "nice try but i'm going to dismiss everything you've just said because i know you must secretly be evil"* like, *fills political test threads with my borderline marxist results* problematic. *tries to disparage jbp any time he is posted* yikes!! *dogpiles post with 20 different scornful arguments* i mean, the right-wingers are the REAL echo chamber here because *launches 1 1/2 page discussion of whether or not fp is an echo chamber wherein we all make the same case 10 different times* they all react to our bullshit the same way *takes opportunity to make a spicy zinger* YIKES![/QUOTE]
This reads as nonsensically and weirdly lile anything Trump would say. Sad.
The other thing about echo chamber is that I think they need to be maintained. In both of the examples I mentioned earlier, mods tend to quash anyone who didn't fit into a certain mold. Facepunch admins don't really do that.
If facepunch leans left it's probably because younger people in general lean left and I think most posters are in their 20 to 30s.
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