So you think you can parade? - China celebrates end of WWII in Asia's 70th Anniversary - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swebonny;48622521]They also announced that they are going to cut their military by 300,000 soldiers. But I guess that just mean more money will be funneled somewhere else.[/QUOTE] maybe towards even more expansion and dozens of ghost towns

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48618671]Remember, it was the [I]Republic of China[/I] that did most of the fighting on that front. Mao even [B]thanked Japan for invading[/B] since it weakened the nationalists.[/QUOTE] Source? As far as pretty much anyone is aware, Mao hated the Japanese invasion, begrudgingly forming an alliance with the KMT at the end of 1937. While the communists didn't exactly cooperate with the nationalists, they did stop fighting until the end of WWII.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48622596]Isn't that like not a lot for the Chinese military?[/QUOTE] Depends their forces are very poorly trained, its more for numbers, but if they want an actual fighting force they need to spend more on training instead of bolstering numbers

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48622118]The US has invaded places though. They also currently occupy alot of places.[/QUOTE] Currently occupy places... with consent of the host country. This isnt like Russia occupying Ukraine.

[QUOTE=daschnek;48623092]Source? As far as pretty much anyone is aware, Mao hated the Japanese invasion, begrudgingly forming an alliance with the KMT at the end of 1937. While the communists didn't exactly cooperate with the nationalists, they did stop fighting until the end of WWII.[/QUOTE] They formed an alliance with the KMT because the communists were severely weakened at that point after the long march and everything that happened after it. The alliance just let the communists have some breathing room to get their shit together while fighting japan in a guerilla war

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48618671]Remember, it was the [I]Republic of China[/I] that did most of the fighting on that front. Mao even [B]thanked Japan for invading[/B] since it weakened the nationalists.[/QUOTE] Mao 'thanked' Japan for awakening a national consciousness that both the CPC and the KMT relied on, whereas the nation was divided and ruled by warlords before the invasion. It's like a conservative 'thanking' Germany for creating the Greatest Generation. [QUOTE=freaka;48621486]This. The Peoples republic of china didnt do any super major stuff during WW2, it was the nationalist (nowadays Taiwan.)[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Regiments_Offensive[/url] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48621496]They also fought against the nationalists, stopping Chiang from committing his whole force due to the communist threat. [/QUOTE] The communists were in an alliance with the KMT since 1937, something Stalin wanted. They were in the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Route_Army]same army structure[/url]. This wasn't the first time the communists worked with the nationalists either. [QUOTE=Rubs10;48622561]The US has some reasonable explanation as to why we invade countries while China and Russia just do it because they're bad people?[/quote] Yes. The US is a good guy empire and adheres to classical liberal principles of voluntarism, having never forced any country to bend to its will.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48621537]*Soviet innovation [editline]5th September 2015[/editline] *back from 80s[/QUOTE] [img]https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1414426749701110932.jpg[/img] Soo, that UAV looks kinda familiar and of the 2000s, and very similar to some nation that probably asked them to make components .

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;48623548] Soo, that UAV looks kinda familiar and of the 2000s, and very similar to some nation that probably asked them to make components .[/QUOTE] Looks don't really matter. For one, being a flying machine, it has to adhere to the same physics of flight as other UAVs and that will always result in similar designs. For another, it's the hardware and software inside that makes it either more powerful or less powerful than other nations, which a photo like that won't show. For all we know, those are hollow inside and just for parade uses.

[QUOTE=cqbcat;48618231]It's supposed to blend in with the rest of the cheap, crappy clones of American innovation.[/QUOTE] Chinese military isn't as shit as you're making it out to be

[QUOTE=Araknid;48623814]Chinese military isn't as shit as you're making it out to be[/QUOTE] *latest (And yes, most of it, it is. They couldn't get their Frankenstein carrier working....it almost blew up. One of the engines)

[QUOTE=Medevila;48623971]when was the last time the US rolled its military industrial complex down the streets of DC[/QUOTE] nah they parade around europe instead

[QUOTE=Medevila;48623971]when was the last time the US rolled its military industrial complex down the streets of DC[/QUOTE] Are you disagreeing that the USA doesn't regularly have oodles of military displays? Just because we don't have a big parade? What about this video that was posted recently? [video=youtube;XVXQlkpaC5k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVXQlkpaC5k[/video] Or "Operation Dragoon Ride" from this year, where the US paraded a convoy through Eastern European countries [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dragoon_Ride[/URL] [thumb]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Operation_Dragoon_Ride_Day_4_(16749080029).jpg[/thumb] And nearly every major US air force base puts on a yearly show, with the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds flying aircraft far more advanced than Britain's Red Arrows or Japan's Blue Impulse. We even put on shows in other countries.

[QUOTE=Kasper9384;48621517]don't they literally sell canned air in china now?[/QUOTE] Found a picture of the stuff [thumb]http://www.davidairey.com/images/packaging/perri-air.jpg[/thumb]

[QUOTE=Rubs10;48622137]Russia has invaded more than just Ukraine, if that's what you're referring to. China invaded and annexed Tibet. And the US has invaded how many more places? Of course, the people in each country has their own view on the invasion.[/QUOTE] The thing is Tibet has been apart of China since 1724, and that only came about after they were invaded and annexed by the Mongols from East Turkestan in the 17th century, afterwards the Tibetans choose willfully to be part of China in the 19th century despite the Chinese literally making zero effort to exert any type of authority over Tibet, with Tibet only becoming a thing in 1913 during the clusterfuck that was the Xinhai Revolution and Warlord Era. In general after Tibet was treated very well by the PRC after it was reintegrated in 1950 until Tibetans [I]outside of Tibet, in China proper[/I] started a shitshow in '57 that caused a shitstorm that climaxed in 1959 when some rumor started that the Chinese were going to arrest the Dalai Lama, at which point the Dalai Lama bailed and #freetibet became a thing.

[QUOTE=Medevila;48625999]I don't think FP grasps the size of this parade esp since you're comparing it to the cute little get-togethers the Navy/Air Force throw for the public though.. do I think the parade meant anything other than a show of resilience for the Chinese people while the markets were down and troops were being cut? no[/QUOTE] You're right, Americans, unfortunately, have never had the chance to see 50 Abrams tanks rolling down the street, while jets fly overhead. Our military dickwaving is still better than other countries though.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;48623548] Soo, that UAV looks kinda familiar and of the 2000s, and very similar to some nation that probably asked them to make components .[/QUOTE] Chengdu Pterodactyl, also called the CAIG Wing Loong. This is essentially a copied Predator. They have been exported to a few other countries as well. The UAE, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia evidently operate them, as well as the PLAAF.

[QUOTE=Conscript;48623513] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Regiments_Offensive[/url][/QUOTE] One offensive? The nationalists pretty much did 95% of the fighting. [QUOTE=Conscript;48623513] The communists were in an alliance with the KMT since 1937, something Stalin wanted. They were in the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Route_Army]same army structure[/url]. This wasn't the first time the communists worked with the nationalists either.[/QUOTE] Also, the alliance between the CPC and KMT pretty much broke down in 1939. They didn't work together and the nationalists ended up doing most of the fighting. Maos forces did Guerilla work while Chiangs had to fight the actual Japanese offensives. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Fourth_Army_incident[/url] [QUOTE=Conscript;48623513] Yes. The US is a good guy empire and adheres to classical liberal principles of voluntarism, having never forced any country to bend to its will.[/QUOTE] Gladly backing dictators and overthrowing democratically elected governments that oppose their interests.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48618603]There is not environment for them. Just like the US Navy's blue camo uniform, it just makes it look more Navy.[/QUOTE] the color also hides ship maintenance stains, kinda like those blue coach bus seats [editline]9th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Medevila;48623971]when was the last time the US rolled its military industrial complex down the streets of DC[/QUOTE] we don't do military parades because we're much more anti-statist than russia or china. just look at the huge shitfit jade helm 15 caused the military doesn't need to flex for america's public because america's public already knows how strong it is. also it was busy these past few decades actually fighting wars instead of limited conflicts or doing nothing at all

If you think about it, is showing off all your guns and tanks and missiles and troops the best way to celebrate peace? It seems to me like too much of an oldschool communist kind of thing. Russia does this too and I think it should stop. I think there are more constructive ways to commemorate the end of humanity's most violent chapter

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48645579]Russia does this too and I think it should stop.[/QUOTE] Russia (or, ugh, USSR) did those parades even way before WWII fyi. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pGh7ce4.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/QQu09x0.jpg[/IMG] So, IMO, this is just kinda old tradition, and nothing more.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48645579]If you think about it, is showing off all your guns and tanks and missiles and troops the best way to celebrate peace? It seems to me like too much of an oldschool communist kind of thing. Russia does this too and I think it should stop. I think there are more constructive ways to commemorate the end of humanity's most violent chapter[/QUOTE] ya thats like if the US were to parade nuclear bombs through hiroshima to celebrate the bombing there, it doesn't really make you remember the lesson

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;48621513]If the world has a Mordor, im pretty sure its china. [IMG]http://thainsbook.net/images/mordor.jpg[/IMG] [thumb]http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/50f48b1569bedd1b5700000b/these-photos-show-why-chinas-smog-problem-is-completely-out-of-control.jpg[/thumb] Yeah, getting there.[/QUOTE] They have actually been shutting down factories and restricting traffic for weeks just to get a blue sky for the parade. The smog is back now though.

[QUOTE=Conscript;48623513]Mao 'thanked' Japan for awakening a national consciousness that both the CPC and the KMT relied on, whereas the nation was divided and ruled by warlords before the invasion. It's like a conservative 'thanking' Germany for creating the Greatest Generation. [/QUOTE] Actually the warlording period was over by the early 1930s. The China that Japan invaded in 1937 was largely under KMT control, with most of the warlords making some form of concession to the central government. [quote][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Regiments_Offensive[/url][/quote] The CPC doing campaigns was an exception to the rule rather than the norm. It was the last major offensive undertaken by the CPC (out of only two), and took place five years before the end of the war. Even then, there were a lot of internal party disagreements over the necessity of the battle. Chairman Mao was pragmatic. He built up and consolidated his powerbase for much of the war while letting the KMT exhaust itself. After that, it was a matter of striking out against the demoralized and unpopular central government with Soviet support.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;48621513] [thumb]http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/50f48b1569bedd1b5700000b/these-photos-show-why-chinas-smog-problem-is-completely-out-of-control.jpg[/thumb] Yeah, getting there.[/QUOTE] Clearly needs lots of neon lighting and warm-colored ads to make it look even more bladerunner-ish.