Elon Musk Wants To Put A Million People On Mars, Says Interstellar Travel Will Sustain Mankind - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Saxon;46119295]I wonder how people would live on Mars if ever The dust is extremely deadly to humans, you'd have to stay in Domes or something even if you changed the atmosphere.[/QUOTE] yes, i suggest you watch the documentary about mars colonization called "total recall"

[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;46119377]If we want to get serious about colonizing systems we need to think of alternative methods to break orbit that isn't as costly per trip. For example the orbital elevator that the Japanese CEO expressed plans for a couple weeks ago is a good candidate.[/QUOTE] As far as space x goes they plan on all their hardware being reusable which might just be as best as it ever gets, the tensile strength material and logistics of assembling a space elevator from earth is I possible for the near future, but elevators on mars the moon and other bodies are well within our current technology, so building a station on mars or an elevator would not be difficult at all

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;46120043]releasing moisture in the atmosphere will tie down dust assuming the atmosphere doesn't just escape into space[/QUOTE] Only one way to find out. We need to nuke a frozen lake on Mars.

[QUOTE=MillySoose;46119259]Elon Musk is a big dreamer. I won't stop him from trying though.[/QUOTE] I think he's gonna go himself, take a picture, then come back to advertise with it

[QUOTE=Chinook249;46120122]I think he's gonna go himself, take a picture, then come back to advertise with it[/QUOTE] He's stated it's his goal to retire on Mars, hasn't he?

On a side note I remember watching some NASA documentary where they talked about the possibility of a soft landed roving hab vehicle and his was like a few years before curiosity too which proved the concept to be sound

being one of the first humans on Mars has been a dream of mine for the past few years, even though just in the back of my mind if they ever 100% started accepting applications to be sent, I'd do it in a heartbeat

I like how a solution to the threat of climate change and environmental destruction is to set up shop somewhere with an inhospitable climate that's completely devoid of life. I mean I get setting up a science base there, but I don't really see what is gained widespread Mars colonization. I mean if it's just more land we want then wouldn't the moon be a better candidate for colonization in the near-ish future?

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;46120294]I like how a solution to the threat of climate change and environmental destruction is to set up shop somewhere with an inhospitable climate that's completely devoid of life. I mean I get setting up a science base there, but I don't really see what is gained widespread Mars colonization. I mean if it's just more land we want then wouldn't the moon be a better candidate for colonization in the near-ish future?[/QUOTE] Climate change is something brought up by the article. It has very little to do with any motivation. It's pretty much about extending humanity's influence and setting up an insurance policy in the event something happens that would seriously impact the entire Earth. Say a supervolcano goes off or a big space rock impacts the planet. Shit gets fucked up. Much of society collapses. We lose thousands of years and all of our technology. We could never recover from that at this point. We have used all the surface minerals and easily obtained resources. This is the make or break. This is the do or die. Either we as a species succeed now in colonizing other worlds and exploiting extraterrestrial bodies, or we fail. And if we fail, the legacy of both humanity and the Earth is finished.

Steps to getting a million people on Mars. Step one, Go to Aperture science, pay them a few billion bucks and get the portal gun. Step two, Fill a capsule full of portal gel and put into rocket. Step three, Send Rocket to Mars. Step Four, crash land rocket into Mars as paint splatters across the surface. Step Five, Fire the portal gun from Earth to mars, wait for a few minutes until contact with paint on Mars, Step Six, throw millions of people into portal as they suffocate in the Martian atmosphere. Profit. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("meme reply" - postal))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;46119237]I'd go in a heartbeat, the ability to not only reach out to new grounds but learn/develop to help [URL="http://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/tech_benefits.html"]civilization back at home[/URL] is something that I cannot deny.[/QUOTE] amen

[url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martian_Chronicles]Anyone?[/url]

Just make a very large minigun that shoots small pods that contain people. And shoot a few million more just to ensure at least 1 million actually get there.

[QUOTE=HumbleTH;46120487][url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martian_Chronicles]Anyone?[/url][/QUOTE] only if this comes [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venture_to_the_Moon"]first[/URL]

[QUOTE=HumbleTH;46120487][url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martian_Chronicles]Anyone?[/url][/QUOTE] that book always reminds me of a time of my life when i was obsessed with kerbal space program, rocketry, and chernobyl to an extreme degree aka 9 months ago

Seems like a very cost inefficient way to murder 1 million people

I like that they mention climate change as one course of human extinction. Totally not mentioning the fact that Mars is a cold and desolate place. Anyway, sounds cool, and the MCT sounds even cooler.

Theoretically couldnt you assemble a transport vehicle in orbit, ferry people up there, and then send them to mars? Granted the transport vehicle would probably be the largest object ever assembled in orbit.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6FS6y6A.jpg[/IMG]

Wouldn't living on Mars change how humans look and develop? Like humans born there would develop differently due to the different gravity and environment?

Warning: This idea below might not work without changes in political environment Build 2 space station up there, with a place for cargo and humans to live, preferably with centrifugal habitat for artificial gravity. Then slap several nuclear reactor with VASMIR on them, or make a nuclear thermal rocket if you are adventurous enough. Then send both of them in a cycler trajectory so both Earth and Mars will get that space station every 5 months, like this: [url]http://www.damninteresting.com/the-martian-express/[/url]

[QUOTE=Waterrmelonn;46122164][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6FS6y6A.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] We need more space elevators!

[QUOTE=mecaguy03;46121127]Theoretically couldnt you assemble a transport vehicle in orbit, ferry people up there, and then send them to mars? Granted the transport vehicle would probably be the largest object ever assembled in orbit.[/QUOTE] We need that Japanese company to be successful in building a space elevator so that we can do exactly this.

I don't exactly know his entire plan with this, but from where I'm standing, and reading, it sounds fucking stupid. He wants to "ensure our survival" by putting a million people on Mars (and by when?), a planet which we don't know dick about really. And unless my understanding is completely in the wrong, we have more than enough time left on Earth. And even then, or even [i]by[/i] then (in future), Mars may not be the ideal location. It's the next planet to start feeling the heat after the Earth is completely uninhabitable anyway. Mars doesn't seem too inhabitable now, much less so in the future. And making Mars inhabitable may not be worth it, when we have it all down here on Earth. [editline]1st October 2014[/editline] Personally, why not just start the construction of a [i]massive[/i] fucking Space Ship? One so large it's able to house [i]hundreds[/i] of millions of people for [I]hundreds of thousands[/i] of years. Yes, it would take countless of generations to complete it, but it will be soooo worth it.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;46122618]I don't exactly know his entire plan with this, but from where I'm standing, and reading, it sounds fucking stupid. He wants to "ensure our survival" by putting a million people on Mars (and by when?), a planet which we don't know dick about really. And unless my understanding is completely in the wrong, we have more than enough time left on Earth. And even then, or even [i]by[/i] then (in future), Mars may not be the ideal location. It's the next planet to start feeling the heat after the Earth is completely uninhabitable anyway. Mars doesn't seem too inhabitable now, much less so in the future. And making Mars inhabitable may not be worth it, when we have it all down here on Earth. [editline]1st October 2014[/editline] Personally, why not just start the construction of a [i]massive[/i] fucking Space Ship? One so large it's able to house [i]hundreds[/i] of millions of people for [I]hundreds of thousands[/i] of years. Yes, it would take countless of generations to complete it, but it will be soooo worth it.[/QUOTE] Honestly, if we have Google [I]Mars[/I] we already know a great deal about the red planet. There's been countless plans, some more practical than others, to terraform/encapsulate-communities-in-domes/etc for how a colony can thrive on mars for several decades. On top of that, I feel Elon is both using this idea as a prototype insurance plan for humanity as well as reigniting interest in revisiting Mars. The giant spaceship idea is actually a smart idea that's been [URL="http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/project-hyperion-the-hollow-asteroid-starship-dissemination-of-an-idea/"]theorized[/URL] [URL="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/02/110210-mars-trip-asteroids-taxi-cosmic-rays-hitchhikers-space-science/"]several[/URL] [URL="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576501002089"]times[/URL] over by hollowing out an asteroid as the outershell (Thus protecting from radiation and micrometeoroids). Course the final destination of that colony ship would need to be planned ahead of time.

[QUOTE=Dalndox;46122561]We need that Japanese company to be successful in building a space elevator so that we can do exactly this.[/QUOTE] Isn't there still that problem of materials for the cables? Last I heard they couldn't find anything strong and light enough to support its own weight.

[QUOTE=Killer900;46122256]Wouldn't living on Mars change how humans look and develop? Like humans born there would develop differently due to the different gravity and environment?[/QUOTE] As far as we can tell from the ISS, people born in lower gravity would basically be like us, but shittier in every way. They get flimsy bones and muscles, their inner ear develops differently resulting in poor balance, they produce less red blood cells, their heart would probably be a bit funny-shaped and less efficient, and the radiation might give them eye problems and murderize their lymphocytes. The only plus side is that they would be used to getting around in the lower gravity.

[QUOTE=HumbleTH;46120487][url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martian_Chronicles]Anyone?[/url][/QUOTE] I can't remember if this is the book, but there was some obscure Scifi book about Mars colonization which refered to the leader of the colony once through the whole book as "The Elon." And this book was written either before Elons birth, or while he was a child in South Africa.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;46120339]Steps to getting a million people on Mars. Step one, Go to Aperture science, pay them a few billion bucks and get the portal gun. Step two, Fill a capsule full of portal gel and put into rocket. Step three, Send Rocket to Mars. Step Four, crash land rocket into Mars as paint splatters across the surface. Step Five, Fire the portal gun from Earth to mars, wait for a few minutes until contact with paint on Mars, Step Six, throw millions of people into portal as they suffocate in the Martian atmosphere. Profit.[/QUOTE] Step one, stop posting forever. That aside, sign me the fuck up. I'll go die on mars. Fuck it. Even if we fail, we'd still be heroes.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;46120133]He's stated it's his goal to retire on Mars, hasn't he?[/QUOTE] [I]"I think it would be great to be born on Earth and to die on Mars. Just hopefully not at the point of impact." - Elon Musk[/I] [url]http://www.shitelonsays.com/[/url] [editline]1st October 2014[/editline] Another great one: [I]"They can come back if they like, if they don't like it, of course. You get a free return ticket. There's sometimes a debate about going to Mars one-way and whether that makes things easier, and I think for the initial flights perhaps, but long term, to get the cost down, you need the spacecraft back. Whether the people come back is irrelevant, but you must have the ship back because those things are expensive. So anyone who wants to return can just jump on." - Elon Musk[/I]