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[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;42605403]I just wanted an excuse to post the video because I was actually talking about it today. :v:[/QUOTE] Doesn't it seem bad you'd post a video of some kid with horribly deformed legs right after saying that Gypsies are well known for the following: Theft Leeching Kidnapping Incest Loads of other crimes It's like reading the speech of some general who seized power in a country and he is listing the reasons for why they have to get rid of a certain ethnic group. What is this group known for? Nothing positive from your post.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;42605476]Because being a gypsy is more of a life style, rather than a race? You know there are plenty of other gypsies other than Romani.[/QUOTE] this is a thread about an ethnic group known as the roma or "gypsy". them being roma is not a lifestyle, its an incredibly old ethnic group. which other gypsies were you referring to?
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42605469]it boggles my mind that a lot of you euro-facepunchers can just pull these sweeping generalizations about gypsies off the top of your heads. i mean, where'd you obtain this information? a researcher at a university that specializes in gypsy-studies? some government census? your grandma?[/QUOTE] When we had a large amount of Romani moved here to Lysekil where I lived, I started seeing people begging and entertaining on the streets, and the newspapers skyrocketed in reports of theft. So this is mostly personal experience, and the fact that it seems to match up with most other people's experiences. I'm not saying I hate gypsies, but I do think their culture makes it so they can not have a steady income and therefor often have to resort to criminal activity to make ends meet. [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;42605484]this is actually very wrong. there's a difference between not settling down and being dispersed. gypsies have lived in certain parts of the world for a very long time, but they were displaced which created their diaspora. many many gypsies in europe live in permanent housing [b]but the conditions they live in make it impossible to survive[/b] they are not migrating hobos, please educate yourself[/QUOTE] I'm sorry then. I was under the impression that they more or less choose to live this way due to not wanting to settle down anywhere, but I'll stop talking and read up some more on the subject then
[QUOTE=Simski;42605503]When we had a large amount of Romani moved here to Lysekil where I lived, I started seeing people begging and entertaining on the streets, and the newspapers skyrocketed in reports of theft. So this is mostly personal experience, and the fact that it seems to match up with most other people's experiences. I'm not saying I hate gypsies, but I do think their culture makes it so they can not have a steady income and therefor often have to resort to criminal activity to make ends meet.[/QUOTE] i dont understand how a "culture" barely understood and barely shared by the group of people its prescribed to can be blamed when several human rights groups have called the treatment of "gypsies" one of the greatest european human rights atrocities in the 21st century
the "migrating hobos" was meant as a comical exaggeration though, sorry I didn't make that more clear :v:
christ on a bike. this shit again. fp just turns into a lynch mob at the very mention of gypsies
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[QUOTE=Simski;42605503] I'm sorry then. I was under the impression that they more or less choose to live this way due to not wanting to settle down anywhere, but I'll stop talking and read up some more on the subject then[/QUOTE] you'd have to have a very convincing reason for why a group of people would decide to live in squalor. gypsies arent nomads because nomads are self-sustaining communities who travel and provide for themselves using livestock such as the Bedouin. [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Simski;42605528]the "migrating hobos" was meant as a comical exaggeration though, sorry I didn't make that more clear :v:[/QUOTE] there are lots of posts ive read about gypsies that were very funny but happened to be dead serious so you never know someone got permad because he went on a genocidal rant about gypsies. his reasoning was because one supposedly stole his bike
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42605487]Doesn't it seem bad you'd post a video of some kid with horribly deformed legs right after saying that Gypsies are well known for the following: Theft Leeching Kidnapping Incest Loads of other crimes It's like reading the speech of some general who seized power in a country and he is listing the reasons for why they have to get rid of a certain ethnic group. What is this group known for? Nothing positive from your post.[/QUOTE] Go around and ask people what the gypsies are known for. Most people will tell you something from that list. Gypsies are mostly known in a negative light. So, which is why I said they're "Well known."
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;42605564]Go around and ask people what the gypsies are known for. Most people will tell you something from that list. Gypsies are mostly known in a negative light. So, which is why I said they're "Well known." Because, they're well known for shit like [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun%C3%ADk_IX]this[/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolipinovo]this[/url].[/QUOTE] you can go around and ask what israelis think of people living in the west bank but you didnt answer sobotniks question doesnt it seem bad?
I think facepunch ate part of my post. It did, hold on a moment. [QUOTE=thisispain;42605579]you can go around and ask what israelis think of people living in the west bank but you didnt answer sobotniks question doesnt it seem bad?[/QUOTE] No, I posted it along with my video. And that's a extremely bad argument. Just because you swap out the people, doesn't make it the same. Gypsies in general, and mostly Romani. When they have a bad reputation throughout several nations, throughout history dating back a few hundred years, some of it can be unjust hatred. They're defiantly doing something wrong. [QUOTE=Sobotnik;42605673]But is it actually true?[/QUOTE] Too an extent, yes. It is true. Stereotyping generally comes about simply because it was done at some point or another. I don't think hate would be so bad if it was just individual cases, but there have been incidents, where entire communities end up doing retarded shit.
so just out of curiosity how many of you guys supported those illegally obtained criminal records in Sweden, where the Swedish government listed everyone they found to be Roma on the premature assumption that they were going to commit a crime sooner or later?
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;42605564]Go around and ask people what the gypsies are known for. Most people will tell you something from that list. Gypsies are mostly known in a negative light. So, which is why I said they're "Well known."[/QUOTE] But is it actually true?
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;42604950] They also like incest, apparently. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw2YmrFhhSk[/media][/QUOTE] "Reactor: Online. Sensors: Online. Weapons: Online. All systems nominal". [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] Also these threads in a nutshell: Europeans hate Gypsies, Americans scream racism.
[QUOTE=acds;42605710]Also these threads in a nutshell: Europeans hate Gypsies, Americans scream racism.[/QUOTE] you say that like one half of the people who've mentioned racism thus far aren't also European
[QUOTE=Cone;42605659]so just out of curiosity how many of you guys supported those illegally obtained criminal records in Sweden, where the Swedish government listed everyone they found to be Roma on the premature assumption that they were going to commit a crime sooner or later?[/QUOTE] It's a fucking atrocity and everyone involved ought to be prosecuted but hey whaddya know politicians like to cover their backs, with that crazy-ass bitch Beatrice Ask at the helm
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;42605640] And that's a extremely bad argument. Just because you swap out the people, doesn't make it the same. Gypsies in general, and mostly Romani. When they have a bad reputation throughout several nations, throughout history dating back a few hundred years, some of it can be unjust hatred. They're defiantly doing something wrong.[/QUOTE] i didnt make any equivalency i said that it was irrelevant to sobotniks question and what did the jews do wrong, id be very interested to hear your historical analysis [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=acds;42605710]"Reactor: Online. Sensors: Online. Weapons: Online. All systems nominal". [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] Also these threads in a nutshell: Europeans hate Gypsies, Americans scream racism.[/QUOTE] europeans also smell!!! and they speak english funny!
Romanies round my area camp on land that isn't their own, refuse to leave, don't pay taxes, are impolite and generally mouth off at people, do cash in hand jobs to avoid the system and go round nicking bits of scrap and then selling it. Hell around here they've been known to move into a farmers field, the next day have poured concrete and spread it over, then they'll pull human rights and demand that utilities give them telephone lines, sewage and electricity and so on. And they become really [i]really[/i] difficult to evict all while damaging the surrounding area and the town. And I've moved around my country a fair bit to know that they really do kind of enforce their own stereotypes that they have here in the UK.~} I mean they used to be welcomed, and I've met some nice ones, don't get me wrong, but there is a difference between traditional Romany societies that had horse drawn wagons, and the ones that exist in this modern age of white-van-men and caravans.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;42605640]Too an extent, yes. It is true. Stereotyping generally comes about simply because it was done at some point or another. I don't think hate would be so bad if it was just individual cases, but there have been incidents, where entire communities end up doing retarded shit.[/QUOTE] This is literally the same argument used against black people.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42605794]This is literally the same argument used against black people.[/QUOTE] Well to be fair a lot of generalizations, especially age old ones like Europeans and gypsies, tend come from years of similar experience. But to refute that, these are merely correlations and you should not treat them as fact,. i.e. : That man is a gypsy, gypsies steal, he must steal, is very blind thought process. You should never burden an individual with any ties to anything such as their religion/race/gender/etc, because there is a large chance that any preconceived notions you have will be false. I do believe that Europeans have justification to relate gypsies to thieves but to treat any individual differently on that notion is awfully short-sighted thinking.
I don't think people hate the romani people, but rather people who behave like 'gypsies'. So people who go around in caravans, settle on land that isn't theirs, beg on the streets, thieve etc.. I've never seen someone upset about a roma who has a proper job, lives in a proper house, only people who really do act like 'migrating hobos'. So its not racism so much as being anti-stupid-culture.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42605145]What are they talking about?[/QUOTE] -What is going on here? -Yeah? -What are you doing here? -Swamp. -So what are you doing here? -Uh.. gravel, yes... what. -So you make a living like that? -y-yes.., that is, that. uh. -Is it hard? -yes-yes. [something intelligible in background] -woman grabs the mic- -give me that' i'll anwser for you [gibberish, mostly swearing]
gypsies stole the lead tiles from the roof of my house
[QUOTE=zerosix;42605912]gypsies stole the lead tiles from the roof of my house[/QUOTE] Roma or Irish travelers? Its a minority that does that shit, most pass through and you never even know about it. Maybe they robbed you because they think of you as "unclean" :v: [url]http://grthm.natt.org.uk/myths-and-truths.php[/url] [url]http://www.travellerstimes.org.uk/downloads/lifestyle_history_and_culture_24052010111520.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=thisispain;42605491]this is a thread about an ethnic group known as the roma or "gypsy". them being roma is not a lifestyle, its an incredibly old ethnic group. which other gypsies were you referring to?[/QUOTE] There are irish gypsies in the UK along with roma ones. Gypsy is just a term given to nomads who travel, although most have just settles down. Also i don't disagree about the racism but it's funny seeing Americans complain about the stereotypes when even gypsies themselves say that a lot of them are true. [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=zerosix;42605912]gypsies stole the lead tiles from the roof of my house[/QUOTE] My neighbours house also got robbed of theirs, luckily the police arrested them when they tried selling it for scrap and apparently they 'found' a tonne of it.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42605469]it boggles my mind that a lot of you euro-facepunchers can just pull these sweeping generalizations about gypsies off the top of your heads. i mean, where'd you obtain this information? a researcher at a university that specializes in gypsy-studies? some government census? your grandma?[/QUOTE] Oh I'm sorry we can't love everyone on this planet. They have plenty of opportunities. Around here I've had multiple gypsies treat me like shit. I have caught them stealing from shops and smashing in car windows,even as far as assaulting people for asking them to leave said shops/stop the vandalism yet not once have they been grateful they have not been kicked out of town. Generally they treat everyone in the area like shit when they point out what the gypsies are doing. Black people have stereotypes too, but they (over the years) have shown the world that the stereotypes are untrue.
[QUOTE=thisispain;42605735]i didnt make any equivalency i said that it was irrelevant to sobotniks question and what did the jews do wrong, id be very interested to hear your historical analysis [/QUOTE] the difference being gypsies aren't being ostracized and executed by fascists for no reason other than a religion it's time to stop thinking you're right
[QUOTE=TCB;42606294]the difference being gypsies aren't being ostracized and executed by fascists for no reason other than a religion it's time to stop thinking you're right[/QUOTE] lol yes they were [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] the fact that you didnt even know that tells me youre not really qualified to comment on the issue at all
[QUOTE=acds;42605710]Also these threads in a nutshell: Europeans hate Gypsies, Americans scream racism.[/QUOTE] Stupid "Americans" (I.e. everyone who doesn't share your irrational racist hatred) calling out racist posts as racism. When will they [I]ever[/I] learn that it's okay to hate cultures and minorities so long as a lot of people do it. [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TCB;42606294]the difference being gypsies aren't being ostracized and executed by fascists for no reason other than a religion it's time to stop thinking you're right[/QUOTE] This is a hilariously stupid rebuttal mate good fucking work [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_Holocaust[/url] Hopefully you know how to read
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;42605756]Romanies round my area camp on land that isn't their own, refuse to leave, don't pay taxes, are impolite and generally mouth off at people, do cash in hand jobs to avoid the system and go round nicking bits of scrap and then selling it. Hell around here they've been known to move into a farmers field, the next day have poured concrete and spread it over, then they'll pull human rights and demand that utilities give them telephone lines, sewage and electricity and so on. And they become really [i]really[/i] difficult to evict all while damaging the surrounding area and the town. And I've moved around my country a fair bit to know that they really do kind of enforce their own stereotypes that they have here in the UK.~} I mean they used to be welcomed, and I've met some nice ones, don't get me wrong, but there is a difference between traditional Romany societies that had horse drawn wagons, and the ones that exist in this modern age of white-van-men and caravans.[/QUOTE] This is why it's so damn hard to discuss roma and gypsies. I mean, it's not like every single damn Roma is like this, but it is a big problem within their community, if you can call the entirety of the roma population spread across europe as a singular community (I honestly don't know). The amount of racism towards them where I live is [I]insane[/I], mainly because of a very large number of "bad apples". But honestly, at the end of the day, there are thieving cunts out there that also live in flats and houses and have a citizenship, and I know more people that aren't roma who leech off of my country than roma who do. When the stereotype of thieving Roma comes up we forget about those fucks that are a part of our own nation and community. In other words everything is shit
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