Berkeley High Students Walk Out to Protest Racist Messages on Library Computer
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[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49059570]A hate group according the Southern Poverty Law Center.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=greasemunky;49060075]SPLC says American Border Patrol is a hate group, not Customs and Border Protection. One is racist hate group the other is a government organization.[/QUOTE]Nobody should give a single fuck about what the SPLC has to say about anything, they assert that pagans and heathens are racist and especially so with my particular religion. Their "intelligence reports" are laced with snide remarks and honestly it reads like some cunt turbo-atheist decided to sit down at write a religion review while furiously tipping his fedora. They make links like, "oh this guy who is apparently SUPER FAMOUS (read: he's not) said some racist things in the 80's," and then flatly assert that all heathens are racist by association. Wow, people have things in common with other people, holy shit SPLC you have uncovered the conspiracy of the century.
Seriously fuck these people, and fuck anyone who supports them.
[editline]6th November 2015[/editline]
Oh and the hilarious thing is the idea of paganism and heathenism is not well-defined at all, yet they treat it like there's some fucking skyclad not-pope in some Swedish forest that is dictating all the SUPER RACIST >:((((((((( followers he's brainwashed.
[editline]6th November 2015[/editline]
Oh and the SPLC and ADL routinely ignore anyone who tries to correct them or otherwise demonstrate that no, that's not how we operate and no, that's not okay.
They have a narrative that they only reluctantly stray from and even then it's with some canned phrase like, "well maybe not all of them are racist but whatever."
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;49059583]Unions are for people who want to advance the cause of their fellow people. it's not about exclusivity, it's about common ground. The black student union LIKELY meets to discuss and act regarding issues facing just black students. if you are a non black student, you are not beset by these issues.
so now, if you want to be a part of the group, then you have to be filled in on what it IS like to be a black student. that takes time and energy, and by the way, ultimately, it's not that group's responsibility to have to explain what it's like to be black to someone who isn't.
[editline]6th November 2015[/editline]
okay, how about this:
You go to the nearest port and find the office of the local stevedores' union. You ask to join the union, and the chapter head asks you how long you've been breaking ships. You answer that you've never worked the docks and you never will.
When the chapter holds its monthly assembly, the workers discuss how they're having trouble persuading city officials to financially support the dredging of the port's biggest shipping lane, which is overdue by at least a decade, and could bring in millions of dollars of tax revenue for the city in the coming years. They also debate how to handle the police chief's intrusive investigation into the shipping of illegal substances, which is causing the interruption of many hours of port work every day.
You're not a stevedore. you have no common ground because you've never experienced these issues firsthand. What good does it do anybody, including you, to try to join the union?[/QUOTE]
You're comparing apples to oranges.
Being allowed in union for shipwrights is totally different then having a student union in a school. You're not being denied membership to a stevedore's union due to the color of your skin. You're being denied because you don't know how to break fucking ships. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
Being denied membership due to skin color = discrimination.
Schools are funded by tax dollars.
I don't need to be black to have a understanding about social issues.
Most importantly if i made a white student union and only allowed whites - one it wouldn't be allowed, two i would be labeled as a horrible racist that needs to die.
It's called a double standard, even then lets say i had no clue about a black student union. But lets say I was interested in it because I was curious as to what issue black people face. Instead they rejected someone and continue to perpetrate the very thing they're fighting. How does that help them? It doesn't.
I just think it is down right stupid. Want to combat social issues, you include people and educate. Why should i care about a black student union when they took two seconds to look at me said "sorry your white can't join." They didn't ask what my academics were like, they didn't care that I was a student in the same school, or the fact i lived in the same fucking community. They denied membership due to skin color.
Call it whatever you want, it is racism.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;49058072]So can the white students have a white student union or is that racist[/QUOTE]
Someone in Toronto tried that. They got in a lot of trouble. :v:
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[QUOTE=DChapsfield;49059583]
You're not a stevedore. you have no common ground because you've never experienced these issues firsthand. What good does it do anybody, including you, to try to join the union?[/QUOTE]
Being black isn't a profession. You don't need to be black to understand social issues and to care about them. As mentioned before, the "transblack" woman was white and really did care about the interests of black people, doing quite a bit for them.
[QUOTE=Doozle;49058163]I dunno, maybe because white people aren't a historical oppressed minority?
Just a thought[/QUOTE]
Irish Slavery
Irish discrimination
Barbary Slave Trade
Janissary System
Armenian genocide (as Caucasian as it gets)
Assyrian genocide
Holocaust
Holodomr
Eastern Europeans in Canada+US
Poor white and uneducated white people in general
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49062983]Being black isn't a profession. You don't need to be black to understand social issues and to care about them. As mentioned before, the "transblack" woman was white and really did care about the interests of black people, doing quite a bit for them.
Irish Slavery
Irish discrimination
Barbary Slave Trade
Janissary System
Armenian genocide (as Caucasian as it gets)
Assyrian genocide
Holocaust
Holodomr
Eastern Europeans in Canada+US
Poor white and uneducated white people in general[/QUOTE]
I'd add progroms and antisemitism if tumblr considers jews whites this week
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;49059511]What genius did you have to offer the black student union?
i don't understand this mentality. it's for black students. it's in the name.
it's like signing up for the choir because you can't sing, but you -can- dance classical ballet. likely you're not going to be much help at all. why should they accept you into the group?[/QUOTE]
Skin color/ethnicity and professions aren't equivalent or even comparable.
Anyway good luck fixing an issue of racial discrimination with ...racial discrimination?
[QUOTE=jA_cOp;49060773]What the fuck? These are threatening, frightening messages, it's completely natural to be upset about them.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between "upset" and "batshit bonkers insane"
Just look at these statements in the article
[QUOTE]"As a black woman I feel terrified and I feel unsafe,"[/QUOTE]
The webpage was edited by a single 15 year old student, yeah clearly the entire school's after you now.
[QUOTE]Students said they were angry that the district failed to inform them of the threat right away[/QUOTE]
What threat? There was absolutely no immediate threat, and they got to know about it on the same day as well, are these people crazy?
[QUOTE]This is a hate crime and messages such as this one will not stand in our community[/QUOTE]
How is this a crime, it's hate speech but nothing strictly illegal happened. Do these people understand the definition of crime?
[QUOTE]"blatant act of terrorism."[/QUOTE]
They don't seem to understand the definition of terrorism either. And yes, definitely crazy.
[QUOTE]"We are working hard to create a positive and inclusive school culture and we recognize the deep pain and rage that hate crimes such as this one bring to our students of color, as well as the damaging effects on our entire community,"[/QUOTE]
They are acting like somebody was murdered on school campus, yet all that happened was:
A single underage student edited a local webpage with racist comments.
Totally reasonable reactions!
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;49057765]
I would like to know more about past threats that have been ignored or mishandled by the school. This seems to be the heart of the issue, not just the appearance of racist writing. Anyone can very easily type a message and leave it on a screen with almost no risk of being identified from it, and anyone can very easily remove that message.
NBC Bay Area is most likely sensationalizing by talking mostly about the spread of the screenshot and hardly at all about what the protesters had to say against the way the school's administration has handled past events.[/QUOTE]
There has only been one other event in the past year at Berkeley High, and that was the yearbook incident where someone inserted a comment about "educating trash collectors" when referring to the Black Students Union. Nothing else.
How do I know this? Simple, I went through the Union's Twitter account. If something outrageous happened, it would definitely have a ton of tweets documenting it, yet the entire account was filled with nothing but Black Live Matters/Trayvon Martin protesting, barring that one single exception.
So no, the school definitely does not have an extraordinary racism problem, especially when compared to any other school. The Union on the other hand seems to have a severe victimization complex going, and you should not give any credit to what they say since it's inevitably going to be filled with more over-exaggerated bullshit than an issue of the Daily Mail.
[QUOTE=Doozle;49058163]I dunno, maybe because white people aren't a historical oppressed minority?
Just a thought[/QUOTE]
emphasis on historical
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49059570]A hate group according the Southern Poverty Law Center.[/QUOTE]
Eh despite the good work the SPLC does in a lot of areas, they do tend to label anyone and anything a hate group that they strongly disagree with on a moral base.
[editline]7th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zet;49060811]The only times I can think of at the top of my head are: the Janissary system, the moors, and the Barbary slave trade.
Have there been any other times?[/QUOTE]
Squashing of nationalist movements in Astro-hungary (mind you, were talking about the elimination of representation here, not nationalist movements in terms of nascism), trianon which pretty much fucked up Europe, treatment of the poles, Hladomor, forced germanisation (you can draw parallels to the "britification of aboriginals in the Aus" countless of other things. Hell the feudal system in itself.
The thing is, it wasn't a bad treatment of whites. That concept is really still foreign in Europe today. There's ethnicities, we're all not part of some singular race. The places where this view emerged over time were overseas colonies, in particularly the US, Canada (though tell there's huge internal rivets there), Australia and NZ. As those countries had a lot of immigrants from multiple countries and also had a lot of other clearly non european ethnicities.
And even so you had multiple "white" ethnicities seen as undesirable. Slavs, the irish and a bunch of others were in the lowest tier for immigration status in the US for a very long time for instance.
The "white race" as you know is the product of the last 50 or so years. Speaking of the Irish - why not throw in their oppression by the british as well.
Which is why I feel the need to facepalm whenever someone comes around with a fact about how the white race was never oppressed. Of course - the white race didn't exist until very recently. If you instead focus on multiple caucasian ethnicities, you'll find that oppression was rife and it followed class and ethnical lines.
:snip:
Naturally, all the usual characters come out to lambast black teenagers for taking offense to being called niggers and having their lives threatened on a school website at an institution with an ugly history of racism.
Naturally, he comes the usual character to shit up a thread full of people with differing opinions than theirs
[QUOTE=Billy-Bobfred;49069395]Naturally, he comes the usual character to shit up a thread full of people with differing opinions than theirs[/QUOTE]
idk man, people getting pissed off at black (and not black) students for getting upset that the dumb bullshit in the op was allowed to happen and isn't really being dealt with by the school seem pretty fucking stupid to me.
BDA isn't wrong, there are a whole fucking host of people on this forum who cannot wrap their heads around the fact that racism isn't dead in the US and black people are still treated like shit by a sizeable portion of the population. Treats of racist violence are going to make any minority group that has suffered that shit to large levels as recently as 40 years ago a bit fucking scared for their lives.
[QUOTE=Krazzykidd;49062940]Someone in Toronto tried that. They got in a lot of trouble. :v:
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I re defined racism and intolerance as "someone who is emotionally imbalanced and acts as if they grew up in a broken home"
Having white student unions is extremely fucking stupid, it's like having straight rights moments.. blacks still face massive social issues in the states to this day.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49062983]
Irish Slavery
Irish discrimination
Barbary Slave Trade
Janissary System
Armenian genocide (as Caucasian as it gets)
Assyrian genocide
Holocaust
Holodomr
Eastern Europeans in Canada+US
Poor white and uneducated white people in general[/QUOTE]
How many of these were in the states and because of the colour of their skin, not nationality or ethnicity?
[QUOTE=.Isak.;49057927]The irony here is that a lot of people on Facepunch got insanely outraged at the person who tweeted "#killallwhitemen" - how is this any different at all? It's a school with a history of not taking action on issues like these, and it's blatantly racist.
It can [i]easily[/i] be considered a threat, considering it states "public lynching december 9th."[/QUOTE]
People got outraged at doublestandards. When someone tweets "#killallwhitemen" while promoting "equality" is something to be angry at.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49069487]idk man, people getting pissed off at black (and not black) students for getting upset that the dumb bullshit in the op was allowed to happen and isn't really being dealt with by the school seem pretty fucking stupid to me.
[/QUOTE]
how do you disallow people from writing offensive things
should the school have some sort of universal monitoring system that administers electric shocks to people who type offensive language or something?
how is the school supposed to deal with the issue when there's absolutely no way to know who did it or method to prevent them from doing it in the future?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49070031]how do you disallow people from writing offensive things
should the school have some sort of universal monitoring system that administers electric shocks to people who type offensive language or something?
how is the school supposed to deal with the issue when there's absolutely no way to know who did it or method to prevent them from doing it in the future?[/QUOTE]
holy shite how on earth did you come to the conclusion that i want some precrime-esque shit started?
when people are asking the school to actually deal with it they mean get the school to actually punish the assclown that did this and make sure that everybody knows being a racist pile of shit even if it's "just pranks bro!!! it's just pranks!!!" is not allowed. actually taking the concerns of minority students who have every reason to be worried when people threaten them with violence is a pretty simple fucking thing to do.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49070065]holy shite how on earth did you come to the conclusion that i want some precrime-esque shit started?
when people are asking the school to actually deal with it they mean get the school to actually punish the assclown that did this and make sure that everybody knows being a racist pile of shit even if it's "just pranks bro!!! it's just pranks!!!" is not allowed. actually taking the concerns of minority students who have every reason to be worried when people threaten them with violence is a pretty simple fucking thing to do.[/QUOTE]
how exactly do you expect the school to know who did it?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49070079]how exactly do you expect the school to know who did it?[/QUOTE]
idk investigating the thing is a pretty good start though. it was performed on their computer systems no? then they have some kind of data about who was using that computer at that time easily.
what's your solution? apparently you seem to know all the answers to this.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49070134]idk investigating the thing is a pretty good start though. it was performed on their computer systems no? then they have some kind of data about who was using that computer at that time easily.
what's your solution? apparently you seem to know all the answers to this.[/QUOTE]
What if they actually did (aka, principal told IT guys to look into it) but there was utterly no way to find out anything.
Take it this way.
a) it was only on one computer, so it wasn't added to the website by itself
b) the computer remained logged in - from that we can assume that they've got one single student login as opposed to each student having their own username\password and computers stay on all the time.
Given these two things, there's really utterly nothing to be found, unless they have a bunch of cameras pointed at the computers. This is basically the same like someone putting a sticky note somewhere with the same message.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49069920]Having white student unions is extremely fucking stupid, it's like having straight rights moments.. blacks still face massive social issues in the states to this day.
How many of these were in the states and because of the colour of their skin, not nationality or ethnicity?[/QUOTE]
Irish slavery, as well as putting slavs, irish and multiple other white ethnicities on lower tiers definitely happened in the US. As to claims about it being based on skincolour or not, that's really irrelevant, again due to the reason that the white race as americans see it is something completely new. It's still prejudice. On top of that americans have a tendency to throw all white ethnicities into one sack. "Nothing bad ever happened to the white", they all should be held accountable, when that is clearly not the case.
I won't say blacks don't face social issues in the states (they do and for a plethora of reasons, racial, socioeconomic and many others) but in the same vein one should not invalidate the experience of many white ethnicities around the world or even in the states.
[QUOTE=Billy-Bobfred;49069395]Naturally, he comes the usual character to shit up a thread full of people with differing opinions than theirs[/QUOTE]
Ah, yes, the opinion that it's no big deal to call black people niggers and threaten to lynch them. Shame on me for not respecting that worthy viewpoint, haha.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49070065]holy shite how on earth did you come to the conclusion that i want some precrime-esque shit started?
when people are asking the school to actually deal with it they mean get the school to actually punish the assclown that did this and make sure that everybody knows being a racist pile of shit even if it's "just pranks bro!!! it's just pranks!!!" is not allowed. actually taking the concerns of minority students who have every reason to be worried when people threaten them with violence is a pretty simple fucking thing to do.[/QUOTE]
I HIGHLY doubt each student has unique login credentials, and there may not be cameras looking at the computers.
This isn't TV. There isn't semen from the guilty party everywhere to get dna off of. The majority of times, schools can't determine who did what.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;49071206]I HIGHLY doubt each student has unique login credentials, and there may not be cameras looking at the computers.
This isn't TV. There isn't semen from the guilty party everywhere to get dna off of. The majority of times, schools can't determine who did what.[/QUOTE]
Why HIGHLY? They may not have login credentials at this establishment, but it ain't like they're a new concept, or a difficult one to implement. We've had unique logins for all school computer systems since middle school here. Same damn one, too. My assigned password was "basketball" for seven years.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49070876]Ah, yes, the opinion that it's no big deal to call black people niggers and threaten to lynch them. Shame on me for not respecting that worthy viewpoint, haha.[/QUOTE]
nah, BDA the differing opinion is that the aprop. response is not to walk out of school because someone used html to write about lynching on a single page that would have dissipated if the page was refreshed
continue to put words in peoples mouths, its delicuous
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49071250]Why HIGHLY? They may not have login credentials at this establishment, but it ain't like they're a new concept, or a difficult one to implement. We've had unique logins for all school computer systems since middle school here. Same damn one, too. My assigned password was "basketball" for seven years.[/QUOTE]
Because in order for them to find the edited webpage like that and not see the person who was sitting there means the time frame between when he did it and when someone noticed was most likely long enough for the screen saver to come on. If that is the case, the screen saver coming on would have kicked the computer back to the login screen to prevent people from using other people's accounts. This means the web browser would have been closed, and the edit would have disappeared.
I could be wrong here, and I would accept it, but imo, the details lead me to believe that these computers run using a constant login for everyone.
[QUOTE=Billy-Bobfred;49071277]nah, BDA the differing opinion is that the aprop. response is not to walk out of school because someone used html to write about lynching on a single page that would have dissipated if the page was refreshed
continue to put words in peoples mouths, its delicuous[/QUOTE]
Get over it black people
[QUOTE=Doozle;49071396]Get over it black people[/QUOTE]
get over some anonymous person writing something on a computer that can be deleted by pressing one button?
I don't see why that's such a ridiculous idea
like if someone wrote "faggots should die" on a sticky note and pasted it on a bathroom wall I don't think that would be grounds for everyone skipping school
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;49071206]I HIGHLY doubt each student has unique login credentials, and there may not be cameras looking at the computers.
This isn't TV. There isn't semen from the guilty party everywhere to get dna off of. The majority of times, schools can't determine who did what.[/QUOTE]
I refuse to believe that in this day and age a school would not have individual user accounts for the students of the school. My fucking JUNIOR school over 14 years ago had individual user accounts on their shitbox Win 95 machines. My high school had individual user accounts, which were required to be used even in the library.
You don't need cameras pointed at the computers to work out who was using it if you are performing the most basic of computer administration. Anything less than what I have described is grossly incompetent today.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49071740]I refuse to believe that in this day and age a school would not have individual user accounts for the students of the school. My fucking JUNIOR school over 14 years ago had individual user accounts on their shitbox Win 95 machines. My high school had individual user accounts, which were required to be used even in the library.
You don't need cameras pointed at the computers to work out who was using it if you are performing the most basic of computer administration. Anything less than what I have described is grossly incompetent today.[/QUOTE]
is it really so ridiculous to assume that maybe someone just left the computer logged on, someone walked by, and typed in a bunch of obscene guff for chuckles?
does that really seem like something that wouldn't happen in a high school?
maybe it wasn't even a computer designated for personal use, maybe it was just the school webpage and some other crap and it's just left on
like I can think of a million scenarios in which it would be nigh impossible to find the perpetrator
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