American man prays to god rather than taking daughter to the doctor. Daughter dies. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ShaRose_;16430663]Go look up the definition of religion. By your loose idea of it, because everyone shares a common belief of 'gravity makes things fall down', we all belong to a religion. We call ourselves atheists because it's the definition of it: We do not believe in a god, spiritual power, or deity.[/QUOTE] I don't call myself a gravitiest.

I love how he ignores everything I've said that literally disproves what he's said.

[QUOTE=Fox682;16430608]1) My previous post was a general statement and doesn't not apply to "clinical studies of medicine"... oops... 2) "the burden of proof is on the party trying to prove the existence of some fact." Right... two different "Facts" a) God Exists b) God doesn't exist. Both are Facts to either side, so the burden of proof is on BOTH parties.[/QUOTE] By that logic I could say dragons exist. I may not be able to provide evidence that they do exist, but can you provide evidence they don't exist? I would need to bring forth evidence that is positive to my argument before and that is where the negative side would have to bring in evidence that disproves my evidence. The people who say god exists need to bring up evidence, and the people who say god does not exist needs to bring up evidence that disproves the god exists evidence. So far there is no god exists evidence that has stood firm.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;16430623]By default, something is not true until it is proven to be true.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Person A Truth - "God Exists" To the atheist it is wrong until proven right. Person B Truth - "God Doesn't Exist" To the believer it is wrong until proven right. [QUOTE=Kybalt;16430623] Do you really want to disagree with this?[/QUOTE] Of course not. Why would I do that...

yeah jawalt sure is dumb

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430669]Yes, but as I've got evidence that god exists in the accounts of thousands of men and women. I've given proof, now prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] One. More. God. Damn. Time. Read my fucking post.

Nine pages. This argument is pointless and is going nowhere really.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;16430674]I love how he ignores everything I've said that literally disproves what he's said.[/QUOTE] You've said the same thing over and over, you want me to prove god exists, I've given you what many believe to be proof, you haven't given me anything that anyone believes to be proof.

[QUOTE=Fox682;16430678]Exactly. Person A Truth - "God Exists" To the atheist it is wrong until proven right. Person B Truth - "God Doesn't Exist" The the believer it is wrong until proven right. Of course not. Why would I do that...[/QUOTE] Except person A is implying something to exist which had no evidence before hand. Doubt is the default in this situation.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430669]Yes, but as I've got evidence that god exists in the accounts of thousands of men and women. I've given proof, now prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] That. Isn't. Proof. 2. That degree of evidence which convinces the mind of any truth or fact, and produces belief; a test by facts or arguments that induce, or tend to induce, certainty of the judgment; conclusive evidence; demonstration. It isn't proof because it isn't definitive and personal accounts are never scientific evidence of anything.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430691]You've said the same thing over and over, you want me to prove god exists, I've given you what many believe to be proof, you haven't given me anything that anyone believes to be proof.[/QUOTE] No, I want you to acknowledge that the bible isn't proof of god. It's a bunch of stories that came hundreds of years before.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430691]You've said the same thing over and over, you want me to prove god exists, I've given you what many believe to be proof, you haven't given me anything that anyone believes to be proof.[/QUOTE] What people accept as proof doesn't change anything.

[QUOTE=Fidchell;16430688]Nine pages. This argument is pointless and is going nowhere really.[/QUOTE] It makes people on both sides feel better about themselves because it gives each side a reason to themself to feel superior.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430673]I don't call myself a gravitiest.[/QUOTE] I literally laughed my ass off at how much of a moron you are.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;16430694]That. Isn't. Proof. 2. That degree of evidence which convinces the mind of any truth or fact, and produces belief; a test by facts or arguments that induce, or tend to induce, certainty of the judgment; conclusive evidence; demonstration. It isn't proof because it isn't definitive and personal accounts are never scientific evidence of anything.[/QUOTE] You define proof now? Proof is relative, you're an idiot. You can't prove anything, but these accounts taken literally would prove beyong doubt that a god exists. Now prove me wrong.

[QUOTE=Samiam22;16430624]So you are saying it was perfectly alright for the father to not take her near-dead daughter to hospital?[/QUOTE] What??? I'm saying that, no matter the thread, Athiests always have to be dramatic about SOMETHING and argue with SOMEONE as if in the end ANYBODY wins. Why the drama? Everyone in this thread is a perfect example of how flamewars can start anywhere at any time.

[QUOTE=Fidchell;16430688]Nine pages. This argument is pointless and is going nowhere really.[/QUOTE] Mostly because of Jawalt's half assed approach to debating by going "YOU CAN'T DISPROVE IT" over and over again ignoring what everyone else is saying. It's the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling out "LALALA IM NOT LISTENING"

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430716]You define proof now? Proof is relative, you're an idiot. You can't prove anything, but these accounts taken literally would prove beyong doubt that a god exists. Now prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] Already proved you wrong. Like, 2 pages ago. You ignore it.

yoo sir are an idiot bcause isaac newton said bla bla bla im right ur rong

[QUOTE=pie_is_good;16430722]Mostly because of Jawalt's half assed approach to debating by going "YOU CAN'T DISPROVE IT" over and over again ignoring what everyone else is saying. It's the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling out "LALALA IM NOT LISTENING"[/QUOTE] yeah, we've figured that out.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430716]You define proof now? Proof is relative, you're an idiot. You can't prove anything, but these accounts taken literally would prove beyong doubt that a god exists. Now prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] God doesn't exist. ^ That account taken literally would prove beyond a doubt that no god exists. Now prove me wrong.

[QUOTE=ShaRose_;16430710]I literally laughed my ass off at how much of a moron you are.[/QUOTE] It's funny. It's like athiests go out of their way to try to pretend they don't all follow a single belief like sheep, just as Catholics do.

Everyone stop arguing. This was obviously God's plan for this young girl, and we need to respect this decision.

[QUOTE=Valnar;16430705]It makes people on both sides feel better about themselves because it gives each side a reason to themself to feel superior.[/QUOTE] The thought of nine pages of idiotic arguing somewhat makes me ill.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430736]It's funny. It's like athiests go out of their way to try to pretend they don't all follow a single belief like sheep, just as Catholics do.[/QUOTE] ...You're an idiot. An actual, total, complete, 100% idiot. Stop ignoring the actual points in front of you.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;16430693]Except person A is implying something to exist which had no evidence before hand. Doubt is the default in this situation.[/QUOTE] Except Person B is implying something doesn't exist which (to them) has evidence before hand. Their "Doubt" about the non-existence of God is their "Default". Also the assumption that a "Default" exists is an assumption.

[QUOTE=McSanchezV2;16430735]God doesn't exist. ^ That account taken literally would prove beyond a doubt that no god exists. Now prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] Nothing has happened to you in which you can make that statement for it to be an 'account'. An account is a repetition of something that has happened. gg

[QUOTE=Big Blue;16430731]yoo sir are an idiot bcause isaac newton said bla bla bla im right ur rong[/QUOTE] And you were wondering why people get into flame wars?

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430736]It's funny. It's like athiests go out of their way to try to pretend they don't all follow a single belief like sheep, just as Catholics do.[/QUOTE] Umm what the hell are you talking about? All Atheists do share a single belief: that there is no God. Holy shit you are dumb.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;16430716]You define proof now? Proof is relative, you're an idiot. You can't prove anything, but these accounts taken literally would prove beyong doubt that a god exists. Now prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] If your "proof" is pointing to a book then why don't I do that to except to a more thought out book. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/The_God_Delusion_UK.jpg[/img]