Doctor Who star Sylvester McCoy says he's a 'feminist' but a ONLY a man can play Time Lord
102 replies, posted
It would work fine if written well, which unfortunately isn't really in the cards at this point
[QUOTE=Limed00d;48274743]why can't the doc be a female? he isn't human from what I understand, and if he became a female, how would that change anything besides gender? it makes as much sense as the whole regen thing being used as an excuse for switching actors. so what is the problem here?.[/QUOTE]
Many, both lore and character reason.
The doctor was never born a female. The doctor is an established character, you don't go changing an established character just "for lolz". It's the same reason why people dislike it when Marvel characters get changed for no purpose i.e. female Thor.
Lore wise, there have been very few Timelords who actually had the power to change their sex at will. The doctor's regeneration process's purpose is to completely heal him from any sort of fatal injury or just death in general. The reason for his physical appearance to change is that the cells in his body during the process are repaired and reorganized. Using that as a reason to change his gender is flat out stupid and would feel shoehorned.
Changing the gender/race/sexuality of a character everybody knows as said gender/race/sexuality is silly imo. It almost always looks like nothing but a cheap kneejerk reaction to cater to a vocal miniority, while messing with the established vision of the source.
[QUOTE=proch;48275142]Changing the gender/race/sexuality of a character everybody knows as said gender/race/sexuality is silly imo. It almost always looks like nothing but a cheap kneejerk reaction to cater to a vocal miniority, while messing with the established vision of the source.[/QUOTE]
Like Sylvester McCoy said, where does it stop?
The fact of the matter is this would be a pandering to pressure from social issues.
I for one really don't care whether the main character of a piece of media is male or female, but seriously, don't fuck with media that has settled into its niche. If there is a demand for female leads, then there will be new intellectual property to portray it, not a feeble casting change on an already established series.
I'm all for female leads, but stop changing shit that already exists to pander to a vocal minority.
This is starting to sound like I am not racist but... But instead it is done to not get completely puked over by aggressive feminists.
What if the producers actually, legitimately decide that a female actor can portray the character the best, and choose the best actor over the one who matches the historical identity of the character? Is that still pandering to a vocal minority?
I mean, honestly, I think there's more of a basis for changing the Doctor's gender than there is for changing James Bond's race, but in the latter case people seem to have no problem saying that an actor who can portray the character is more important than tradition.
[QUOTE=catbarf;48275562]What if the producers actually, legitimately decide that a female actor can portray the character the best, and choose the best actor over the one who matches the historical identity of the character? Is that still pandering to a vocal minority?
I mean, honestly, I think there's more of a basis for changing the Doctor's gender than there is for changing James Bond's race, but in the latter case people seem to have no problem saying that an actor who can portray the character is more important than tradition.[/QUOTE]
Then it's up to them, a lot of people wouldn't like it but we will get use to it. I just really don't want to see the Doctor a female, if he does become one tho, I will still watch it.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;48275483]This is starting to sound like [B]I am not racist but[/B]... But instead it is done to not get completely puked over by aggressive feminists.[/QUOTE]
So you ARE racist...Seriously tho, I don't see anything racist about that.
I knew I'd made a good choice for my favorite doctor
He's right though, a female doctor would totally change the sex appeal of the show and it just wouldn't be the same
A black doctor would be cool though
Until the latest Bond movie, we were all kind of under the suspicion that James Bond was just a code name.
So even in the Bond universe (up until recently) it would have made sense to have a Jasmine Bond.
I don't understand the backlash to the idea? Like, yes, you are right, it is pandering to social preasures. But you are acting like the initial creation of the character wasn't ALSO pandering to social preasures. What do you think, they all got into a board room and decided to flip a coin to decide the race and gender of the first Time Lord? - no. Cultural expectations and norms already decided that stuff.
[QUOTE=Flameon;48275597]But you are acting like the initial creation of the character wasn't ALSO pandering to social preasures. What do you think, they all got into a board room and decided to flip a coin to decide the race and gender of the first Time Lord? - no. Cultural expectations and norms already decided that stuff.[/QUOTE]
You're probably not wrong, but there were other reasons for them to go male, they wanted a Strict person and Fatherly Type Figure for kids. Atleast if I remember correctly, either way Variety chose a Male for Male related reasons and for kids.
[QUOTE=The Stills;48274611]Isn't The Master currently female?
If The Doctor's archnemesis can be female, why not The Doctor himself?[/QUOTE]
Didn't the master show he had figured out a way to take over people?
[QUOTE=Swilly;48275802]Didn't the master show he had figured out a way to take over people?[/QUOTE]
Yeah but it's never explained how the Master became Missy, some people suggest that she came out of the picture of Gallifrey from the Time War, but if that's the case then it means that that Master is from the Time War and would later be the one who regenerates into the Derek Jacobi and thereafter John Simm who is currently trapped in that Gallifrey outside the universe.
So technically there are two Master's in existence at the moment if she did escape via the painting.
Either way its not explained how the Master really became Missy, sure people say "oh yeah well the Doctor could regenerate into a woman if he wanted to" and then make reference to that short with Paul Mcgann where they suggest he could. But I've always interpreted that as he could have done that if he had picked the cup/potion/magic juju that allowed him to.
But I dunno, I'm not against the idea of a female Doctor, but unless the writing is there to support and we get a really fantastic story leading into it and dealing with afterwards it wouldn't come across well to me.
[QUOTE]A Tarzanette[/QUOTE]
that sounds cool as fuck!
[QUOTE=Zerfenus;48274442]If they want a female time lord, why don't they bring back The Rani?[/QUOTE]
Terrible character.
The writers literally sat down and went "hey how about The Master but a woman?".
Why have a Master knock off when you can just allow female actors to audition for The Master.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;48278429]Terrible character.
The writers literally sat down and went "hey how about The Master but a woman?".
Why have a Master knock off when you can just allow female actors to audition for The Master.[/QUOTE]
Why not instead create an original character within the mythos that's well written instead of shoehorning them in as a recognized character?
[QUOTE=Swilly;48278449]Why not instead create an original character within the mythos that's well written instead of shoehorning them in as a recognized character?[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a lot of work.
saying "im a feminist but" is like playing the "im not a racist but" card lmfao
[QUOTE=Chrisordie;48276090]Yeah but it's never explained how the Master became Missy, some people suggest that she came out of the picture of Gallifrey from the Time War, but if that's the case then it means that that Master is from the Time War and would later be the one who regenerates into the Derek Jacobi and thereafter John Simm who is currently trapped in that Gallifrey outside the universe.
So technically there are two Master's in existence at the moment if she did escape via the painting.
Either way its not explained how the Master really became Missy, sure people say "oh yeah well the Doctor could regenerate into a woman if he wanted to" and then make reference to that short with Paul Mcgann where they suggest he could. But I've always interpreted that as he could have done that if he had picked the cup/potion/magic juju that allowed him to.
But I dunno, I'm not against the idea of a female Doctor, but unless the writing is there to support and we get a really fantastic story leading into it and dealing with afterwards it wouldn't come across well to me.[/QUOTE]
Whatever form the Doctor regenerates has always been up to him. When he was injured in Stolen Earth he kept his form of the 10th doctor when he used his regeneration energy to heal himself, so it's know that he does have control whatever form he wants to regenerate into. If the doctor wants to regenerate into a female form, he will.
[QUOTE=Wayword;48278610]saying "im a feminist but" is like playing the "im not a racist but" card lmfao[/QUOTE]
You can be a feminist or not racist but still have some differing opinions.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;48278638]Whatever form the Doctor regenerates has always been up to him. When he was injured in Stolen Earth he kept his form of the 10th doctor when he used his regeneration energy to heal himself, so it's know that he does have control whatever form he wants to regenerate into. If the doctor wants to regenerate into a female form, he will.[/QUOTE]
Wait, no it isn't. It's always been random, Time Lords can only choose what they regenerate into when they do it willingly/cosmetically like what Romana did almost every other episode. Hence why The Doctor asked if he was ginger at the start of one regeneration and why Matt Smith's was checking around his face and counting how many ears and such he had.
has any feminists started to get their panties in a wad yet
[QUOTE=Chrisordie;48278777]Wait, no it isn't. It's always been random, Time Lords can only choose what they regenerate into when they do it willingly/cosmetically like what Romana did almost every other episode. Hence why The Doctor asked if he was ginger at the start of one regeneration and why Matt Smith's was checking around his face and counting how many ears and such he had.[/QUOTE]
But then you have the 12th doctor asking why he chose this face.
I didn't like the new masters at all and when they made him a woman, it just didn't work. The new masters were nothing like Roger Delgado. Which in my opinion was the best master.
I'm interested in a female doctor
just not one written by Steven Moffat
god forbid the shapeshifting time traveling alien is anything other than a white man
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;48278812]But then you have the 12th doctor asking why he chose this face.[/QUOTE]
Probably a metaphor.
Actually, I completely disagree. I wouldn't mind if the next doctor is portrayed by a female actress. The doctor can become any kind of human he wants. He can be whatever race, gender or age the writers can think up with.
Just as long as she's British!
[QUOTE=Levithan;48278853]god forbid the shapeshifting time traveling alien is anything other than a white man[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't change it just because "Lets have a female doctor" which just seems like mediocre reasoning.
I don't really want a female doctor, but if it was done well I'd enjoy it I'm sure, but it doesn't need to exist either.
Why not just allow anyone to audition for the role and then pick the one who seems best as a Doctor? Unlike for instance James Bond, the Doctor's personality changes with each new regeneration. The new Doctor is almost always a B-list or below British actor (which is sadly why I don't think Idris Elba would ever take the role on) who can be quirky and intelligent whilst also seeming aloof and alien, and I can see pretty much anybody taking that role on. Not to mention that the Doctor has been implied to be bisexual before (as far as relationships with a different species go, I'm sure he won't care what they have in their pants) so you can even keep the romance with a female assistant if you really want. Hell, I [I]still[/I] think Joanna Lumley would do a fantastic job as the Doctor, although maybe not right after Peter Capaldi as I imagine her Doctor wouldn't be dissimilar to a slightly more cool, level-headed version of his.
[QUOTE=Xonax;48274419]Source: [url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-legend-sylvester-mccoy-6119330[/url]
To be honest, I have to agree with McCoy, Peter Davison (Who is the 5th) as well.
If James Bond became Jasmine Bond, a lot of people wouldn't like that.
Or what if your favorite Character is suddenly the opposite sex?
It would just be out of place.
You shouldn't have a female character just because of Politics, or just to have a female character. You should have a female character because the character is female.
It's like having characters be Gay, Trans or Bi-sexual just because Politics, or just to please some people, and it's common too. They should not be X sexuality just to appeal to some people, they should be X Sexuality because they ARE X Sexuality.
Here is another example, what if Sherlock Holmes, was suddenly turned Female? Or Robin Hood? Interesting twist but there isn't a reason.
Or what if Gordon Freeman just suddenly became Female in HL2EP3/HL3? Completely and totally out of place.
I am all for Women to be a main character, no doubt about that, but changing the character to be a female for no reason isn't right. It's just using it as a device, an object, just to get people to watch something.[/QUOTE]
I really wanted the canceled "Tommorow Never Dies" spinoff with Michelle Yeoh. She's a great stuntman and actress.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.