Doctor Who star Sylvester McCoy says he's a 'feminist' but a ONLY a man can play Time Lord - Polidicks

I don't know, I don't think a female timelord would be that weird. Bond on the other hand, being a man is an inherent part of his character, he's basically a big walking penis with a nice haircut who fucks his way out of any situation, but I don't see much inherently "male" about the Doctor. He's just a quirky dude and he could probably transition into being a quirky chick, as awkward as it may be for a while. And I don't think it would be as out of place as any other gender flip, hell considering the Doctor is just a shapeshifting space alien I'm surprised he hasn't turned into a dog or a giraffe for a couple of runs.

[QUOTE=FLIPPY;48278818]The new masters were nothing like Roger Delgado. Which in my opinion was the best master.[/QUOTE] I personally see a lot of similarities in some of their actions and dialogue, but since when are regenerations supposed to be carbon copies of previous incarnations anyway? All versions of the Master share and shuffle traits just as the Doctor does.

[QUOTE=Xonax;48274948]There are relationships, and they are depth to plots in the show. Also I am calm, I am just trying to make my point understandable, it's really hard to make a good example. I just personally don't think the Doctor being female would be good considering the Doctor was written to be a male, a fatherly figure if I am correct.[/QUOTE] The show has been running on the same gags since the 1960s, if the entire thing hinges on the doctor being a pickup artist then the show has bigger problems than being a dude. You can make all sorts of excuses but what the article is saying is the show hinges on the doctor being a guy and having non permanent relationships with women. That is completely shallow

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There is no need for the Doctor to change genders as it offers nothing to the story or character.

[QUOTE=Sableye;48279120]The show has been running on the same gags since the 1960s, if the entire thing hinges on the doctor being a pickup artist then the show has bigger problems than being a dude. You can make all sorts of excuses but what the article is saying is the show hinges on the doctor being a guy and having non permanent relationships with women. That is completely shallow[/QUOTE] Are you sure you're not confusing it with the porn parody? [img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51E2M9EPVXL.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Flameon;48275597][b]Until the latest Bond movie, we were all kind of under the suspicion that James Bond was just a code name.[/b] So even in the Bond universe (up until recently) it would have made sense to have a Jasmine Bond. I don't understand the backlash to the idea? Like, yes, you are right, it is pandering to social preasures. But you are acting like the initial creation of the character wasn't ALSO pandering to social preasures. What do you think, they all got into a board room and decided to flip a coin to decide the race and gender of the first Time Lord? - no. Cultural expectations and norms already decided that stuff.[/QUOTE] Okay. This is just straight up bullshit. Only idiots who ignored the basis of the whole movies series (the books) think this was a legitimate theory. While the Bond movies have a wonky timeline, it has always been clear that it was supposed to be the same agent. And the only time I see this brought up is when willfully ignorant people want to do the same thing that is being suggested here.

[QUOTE=Vasili;48279157]There is no need for the Doctor to change genders as it offers nothing to the story or character.[/QUOTE] Same reasoning from the other side. Doesn't change a thing, so why not? Just allow women to apply for the role next regeneration around. It's canonically possible, who cares, go for it, wouldn't make a tiny bit of difference.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48280742]Same reasoning from the other side. Doesn't change a thing, so why not? Just allow women to apply for the role next regeneration around. It's canonically possible, who cares, go for it, wouldn't make a tiny bit of difference.[/QUOTE] But it would. It would throw out 50+ years of characterization, and given the current climate, it would at best be a cheap push for "look! We're inclusive!" and still totally suck

I want to point out that The Master in Capaldi's series was a woman. And Missy was a fantastic character. Probably more vicious and evil than the Master himself.

honestly, i'd be ready for a female doctor

I don't think there should be a female doctor. A spinoff series of one of the major female characters? Sure.

[QUOTE=DuCT;48280757]But it would. It would throw out 50+ years of characterization, and given the current climate, it would at best be a cheap push for "look! We're inclusive!" and still totally suck[/QUOTE] How would it throw out any type of characterization? The doctor's character changes drastically every couple of years anyways. Bolting some tits on and chopping off the dick wouldn't change that much. Throw in a male companion for the always-necessary but never meaningful and ultimately pointless sexual tension and you have exactly the same shit.

[QUOTE=Wayword;48278610]saying "im a feminist but" is like playing the "im not a racist but" card lmfao[/QUOTE] Not really, it's perfectly reasonable to be a feminist but think that a male character should be portrayed by male actors.

How about they try focusing on not having really terrible plotlines first

I was under the impression that the doctor could come back as like, just about fucking anything when he regenerated? I think there was a line where he's like "Could come back with two noses, could come back with no nose!" Out of all the character gender swaps that have been discussed and thrown about, I feel like having it happen with the doctor is probably like... One of the least weird when it comes to plot and continuity. That being said, they've gotta' make sure that the new dynamic works, but that's more on the competence of the writers than anything else.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;48280977]Not really, it's perfectly reasonable to be a feminist but think that a male character should be portrayed by male actors.[/QUOTE] the doctor is a quirky time traveling two-hearted alien who rebirths in entirely new bodies when killed calling him "male" is farfetched. "traditionally male," okay, sure. [editline]23rd July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Water-Marine;48280995]How about they try focusing on not having really terrible plotlines first[/QUOTE] this is the better concern. the newest doctor had some stellar moments but just fell into the same boring plotlines. opening with a giant dinosaur appearing in victorian london? worst intro to a new doctor that's ever existed.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48280963]How would it throw out any type of characterization? The doctor's character changes drastically every couple of years anyways. Bolting some tits on and chopping off the dick wouldn't change that much. Throw in a male companion for the always-necessary but never meaningful and ultimately pointless sexual tension and you have exactly the same shit.[/QUOTE] Women are not just men with boobs and no dick. It would definitely change the dynamic. Whether you like that change or not is up for debate, but it's silly to pretend that basically nothing would be different.

[QUOTE=Xonax;48274419]Here is another example, what if Sherlock Holmes, was suddenly turned Female? Or Robin Hood? Interesting twist but there isn't a reason.[/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_%28TV_series%29]Elementary[/url]. Lucy Liu plays the part of Dr. Joan Watson. An "interesting twist" can be a reason in its own right, but it wasn't the case here. [quote][b]Carl Beverly:[/b] [...] There’s this idea that a man and a woman can’t be together on a show especially without needing to be together sexually or in love or whatever, and this is really about the evolution of a friendship and how that happens. Watching that should be as much the story of this show as the mysteries that you see week in and week out about who killed who. [url=http://collider.com/robert-doherty-carl-beverly-elementary-interview/][Source][/url] (first question in the interview)[/quote] [QUOTE=Xonax;48274419]Or what if Gordon Freeman just suddenly became Female in HL2EP3/HL3? Completely and totally out of place.[/quote] Bad comparison. Obviously, yes, in the event of a direct sequel to Half-Life, changing Freeman from male to female would be jarring and wouldn't make any narrative sense. And due to Freeman's nature of being a mute protagonist, rebooting Half-Life with a female protagonist wouldn't offer much in the way of impactful differences, besides the occasional mention of the character's name by various NPCs. [QUOTE=Xonax;48274419]I am all for Women to be a main character, no doubt about that, but changing the character to be a female for no reason isn't right. It's just using it as a device, an object, just to get people to watch something.[/QUOTE] I'd argue that the reverse is true, that male characters are used to get people to watch something. Surely you've heard how marketing often sees males as a prime target demographic, or how female protagonists are treated as "risks" despite women being present in all aspects of everyday life. [i]That[/i] is politics, that's our culture talking. I see nothing inherently wrong or out-of-place about giving the role of an established character/title to a woman. McCoy's playing the "I'm a [X], [i]but[/i]" card, despite his best intentions. Lines don't need to be drawn. If a female actor auditions and does the role justice, let her be cast.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;48281055]the doctor is a quirky time traveling two-hearted alien who rebirths in entirely new bodies when killed calling him "male" is farfetched. "traditionally male," okay, sure. [editline]23rd July 2015[/editline] this is the better concern. the newest doctor had some stellar moments but just fell into the same boring plotlines. opening with a giant dinosaur appearing in victorian london? worst intro to a new doctor that's ever existed.[/QUOTE] Time Lords are a race though, we've seen both their men and women over the years and there have been references to them reproducing in the same way as us. It would be a bit weird if we suddenly found out they can change sex.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;48282078]Time Lords are a race though, we've seen both their men and women over the years and there have been references to them reproducing in the same way as us. It would be a bit weird if we suddenly found out they can change sex.[/QUOTE] But there was an episode where the doctor mentioned a time lord called the Corsair or something to that effect, and heavily implied (or maybe outright stated, been a while since I seen that episode) that one of his regenerations was a woman.

[QUOTE=DuCT;48280757]But it would. It would throw out 50+ years of characterization, and given the current climate, it would at best be a cheap push for "look! We're inclusive!" and still totally suck[/QUOTE] lol, so you cant have a female doctor because it wouldn't matter anyway and wouldn't change anything, but you also cant have a female doctor because it would throw out 50 years of characterization and change everything. nice

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;48282078]Time Lords are a race though, we've seen both their men and women over the years and there have been references to them reproducing in the same way as us. It would be a bit weird if we suddenly found out they can change sex.[/QUOTE] We have had multiple references to Time Lords who can and have changed gender in the past, including most recently the Master (assuming she didn't steal somebody else's body). It's implied that there is at least some element of choice in the matter. The reason why Time Lords resemble humans (and there are so many human-like species in the Doctor Who universe) is because one of the founding Time Lords (Rassilon) spread Gallifreyan DNA around the universe in order to prevent a timeline where his species was usurped by another. So technically, they don't look like us, we look like them.

[QUOTE=Wayword;48282100]lol, so you cant have a female doctor because it wouldn't matter anyway and wouldn't change anything, but you also cant have a female doctor because it would throw out 50 years of characterization and change everything. nice[/QUOTE] Isn't the context approached from the view that the story wouldn't change, but having a female doctor throws away the character itself because now it's female clinging on to a character who's been popularized as a male character? I don't see why they can't just write a new character.

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eppuBMsESYs[/media] problem was solved in the 80s and before that had stronger female companions who were not a time lady. People who just watch the new series and complain are a joke. Just look at those people who complained about the 7th right after the sixth.

i dont really watch much dr who but i feel like it'd be significantly more beneficial for them to just work on improving the female lead role more and more, rather than totally surplant the male lead with a female

I don't follow Doctor Who at all, but I agree with this to a certain degree. Isn't The Doctor is an established character with varying "doctors" within it, rather than just varying people who assume the title? It's not a role or title given to a person, but an entity that regenerates into different forms, AFAIK. Thus, tossing in a female doctor into the mix would seem... Weird. The Doctor is established as who he is, and changing that would feel forced. There can be more female representation used elsewhere, but they're looking in the wrong places.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;48280977]Not really, it's perfectly reasonable to be a feminist but think that a male character should be portrayed by male actors.[/QUOTE] But I've always seen The Doctor as a sexless character. Why they companion romance bits never sat right with me for Rose. [editline]24th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=LegndNikko;48284297]I don't follow Doctor Who at all, but I agree with this to a certain degree. Isn't The Doctor is an established character with varying "doctors" within it, rather than just varying people who assume the title? It's not a role or title given to a person, but an entity that regenerates into different forms, AFAIK. Thus, tossing in a female doctor into the mix would seem... Weird. The Doctor is established as who he is, and changing that would feel forced. There can be more female representation used elsewhere, but they're looking in the wrong places.[/QUOTE] Except within the show they've shown The Doctor's species can and do change gender with no fuss. The Doctor didn't even mention how one character swapped genders. It's obviously totally normal from his perspective. The Doctor himself has shown difficulty in telling the difference between male and female humans. Gender isn't a timelord thing, it's a human construct in his eyes.

[QUOTE=Dan2593;48285277]But I've always seen The Doctor as a sexless character. Why they companion romance bits never sat right with me for Rose. [editline]24th July 2015[/editline] Except within the show they've shown The Doctor's species can and do change gender with no fuss. The Doctor didn't even mention how one character swapped genders. It's obviously totally normal from his perspective. The Doctor himself has shown difficulty in telling the difference between male and female humans. Gender isn't a timelord thing, it's a human construct in his eyes.[/QUOTE] That's just new series fluff, quite a few things in the new series contradict each other. He's obtained a male characteristics in some form throughout the old series.

[QUOTE=Dan2593;48285277]But I've always seen The Doctor as a sexless character. Why they companion romance bits never sat right with me for Rose. [editline]24th July 2015[/editline] Except within the show they've shown The Doctor's species can and do change gender with no fuss. The Doctor didn't even mention how one character swapped genders. It's obviously totally normal from his perspective. The Doctor himself has shown difficulty in telling the difference between male and female humans. Gender isn't a timelord thing, it's a human construct in his eyes.[/QUOTE] Except The Doctor is a man who has had children and grandchildren with humans. We have seen male and female timelords, and they have been referred to as men and women. The only timelord we've seen change gender/sex is The Master, and the time before that he was body-jacking people so we don't even know if he regenerated into she or if it's just body snatching. Also this recent trend of people calling for male characters to be changed into female characters is fucking bullshit. It's all agenda pushing, if you want a good female character write a fucking female character, don't be a lazy hack. People would flip their shit if a female character was turned into a man.