North Korea ends non-agression pact, blowing up any South Korean propganda loudspeakers - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BrQ;22196011]I wonder what will happen that for example the military has been killed and there's no superpower anymore in NK. Kim is dead and so are his army. But what will happen to the civillians? They honor Kim as a god and they are extremely loyal to him. What will they do?[/QUOTE] Start over.

With the help of SK and NATO.

[QUOTE=BrQ;22196011]I wonder what will happen that for example the military has been killed and there's no superpower anymore in NK. Kim is dead and so are his army. But what will happen to the civillians? They honor Kim as a god and they are extremely loyal to him. What will they do?[/QUOTE] No, many of the normal citizens have no respect for Kim, only his father. They'd die for the country, not for its leader. And no, they won't simply start over, they hate the south more than anything on earth, being annexed into South Kora (or just Korea) would be the ultimate insult to them.

NK is the world's largest troll

[QUOTE=DiscoBiscut;22196078]NK is the world's largest troll[/QUOTE] I'm afraid that title goes to Fred Phelps.

It'll just be like how the silly Americans thought the Iraqis would welcome them with roses.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;22184531]I know about the treaties. I know any nation randomly throwing nukes at some other nation, unclean or clean, or civilian or military actions, is doing something terribly wrong because of all the broken treaties and such. What I'm saying is: You have a small country run by a nutcase who seems to be doing his best to turn this into an international conflict. In an idealized world, you get everyone to the UN, and vote for the most efficient solution, then A MIRACLE OCCURS and you get them all to approve the use of a clean nuke, and a group of engineers to determine how clean you could make it. Then, after informing pretty much every nation of the capacity of the nuke, it's vectors and launch date, you inform North Korea of it's potential. THe UN gives them a deadline, basically a "Take a chill pill and stop this or we're going to nuke you". If they don't stop, a clean nuke is dropped on some military facility away from cities. Then, if they don't give up after half the army is destroyed, you semd the ordinary troops. I don't think nuclear weapons should be treated as "Oh fuck them, let's just nuke this city and break all treaties", but I also don't think they are some sort of evil Doomsday Device and in some situations may come in handy. tl;dr nuking a country without international approval is bad so it's not going to happen any time soon, and international approval of nuclar weapons is probably never going to happen so for now we're still going to use common troops and whatever superweapon the future gives us while trying to reduce the costs in resources and human lives.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry that I bring this up again, but I really want to try explaining it to him. Nukes are far too powerful weapons. They aren't comparable to normal weapons. Even a small country could seriously fuck up a huge country with a few nukes. They could make it fall into chaos, completely destroy their government. Anarchy would ensue. Luckily every super power knows that. In the cold war the Soviet Union could have completely destroyed the US and the US could have destroyed the Soviet Union. But they knew that when they attacked both countries would be destroyed. In the case two super powers engage in war again they wouldn't use nuclear weapons because you just don't use them. They have been banned for a reason. If the US would drop nukes on NK two problems would arise. 1. Pretty much every country would start hating the US and in a worst case scenario another cold war could happen. 2. If a country is at war with the US they know, the US will use nukes and that country would try to get the first strike and a nuclear war would break out.

[QUOTE=Cpl. Combine;22195741]I don't know what you're talking about, Germany is actively involved in Afghanistan and helped with Iraq both during the 2003 invasion and in 91, they honor their commitments as a NATO ally alot, [/QUOTE] It's more of a passive, securing thing Germany is doing. I really don't think they are [B]actively[/B] involved in anything really.

You know, with all this debate against Eudoxia's "hurr durr let's use nukes straight away!" I've done some thinking and my question is: What would be the response of other nations if NK launches a nuke first? I'm not trying to support Eudoxia's idea, but everyone assumes that US would use nukes first, what if it would be the other side that uses them first?

[QUOTE=croguy;22196629]You know, with all this debate against Eudoxia's "hurr durr let's use nukes straight away!" I've done some thinking and my question is: What would be the response of other nations if NK launches a nuke first? I'm not trying to support Eudoxia's idea, but everyone assumes that US would use nukes first, what if it would be the other side that uses them first?[/QUOTE] Well, if America launched a nuke, everyone would get angry, right? If NK would launch one, everyone would get angry right? Except the difference between those two countries is that NK is hated by almost every country in the world and will probably get attacked.

If North Korea launched a nuke, other countries probably wouldn't launch theirs. No. They'd fly over North Korea and carpet bomb every square inch of it into pulp.

I'm confused why everyone thinks china wouldn't intervene if the north was attacked. China is not a friend of the west, and they have more interests vested in the north then the west. If anyone is going to back down because of the trade between china and the west, it's the latter. We need chinese products, but they don't need to sell them to us. There's also the threat that china could go and nationalize all chinese branches of foreign companies.

[QUOTE=Conscript;22197035]I'm confused why everyone thinks china wouldn't intervene if the north was attacked. China is not a friend of the west, and they have more interests vested in the north then the west. If anyone is going to back down because of the trade between china and the west, it's the latter. We need chinese products, but they don't need to sell them to us. There's also the threat that china could go and nationalize all chinese branches of foreign companies.[/QUOTE] I'm very positive China would try and remain neutral, as supporting NK right now would be political suicide.

Actually they were much need to sell them to us. Likewise they quite strongly require our resources. On the other hand, NK has very little to offer them. China might Veto any proposition on the security council, which if shit hits the fan might stop a lot of folks, but I doubt they'd offer any support beyond that.

[QUOTE=Conscript;22197035] We need chinese products, but they don't need to sell them to us.[/QUOTE] yes they do imagine china won't trade with the west anymore. We would not have chinese products but they still have all those workers that work all day and night long in factories. The factories would have to close because they are not allowed to trade with foreign countries anymore and won't make enough money. People will become even more poor and the country would become even worse.

[QUOTE=Conscript;22197035]I'm confused why everyone thinks china wouldn't intervene if the north was attacked. China is not a friend of the west, and they have more interests vested in the north then the west. If anyone is going to back down because of the trade between china and the west, it's the latter. We need chinese products, but they don't need to sell them to us. There's also the threat that china could go and nationalize all chinese branches of foreign companies.[/QUOTE] If you've been keeping up with the news you'd realize that China is "revising" its relations with NK. Even if China did support NK more they wouldn't even think of militarily intervening if war broke out. Their lose of good relations with us would cost them too much.

North Korea... Bring it on, bitches!

ITT: 90% of this thread's posters are talking out of their ass with no idea of what they're saying. tru fax

[QUOTE=Saikotic;22197595]ITT: 90% of this thread's posters are talking out of their ass with no idea of what they're saying. tru fax[/QUOTE] And the people who usually do talk shit out of their asses regarding political forums are trying to be senseful on the subject understanding the risk/threat of a re-enter to a war in Korea. (such as myself :P)

Han yu kim north korean army

lets hope no other countries get involoved in this shitstorm or it will go all nuclear.

[QUOTE=GawdOfROFLS;22198571]Han yu kim north korean army[/QUOTE] Commies, eh? [IMG]http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/trueCrime_091903_04.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=BrQ;22197253]yes they do imagine china won't trade with the west anymore. We would not have chinese products but they still have all those workers that work all day and night long in factories. The factories would have to close because they are not allowed to trade with foreign countries anymore and won't make enough money. People will become even more poor and the country would become even worse.[/QUOTE] the west is not the world. Demand for cheap products and labor will always be there, and china will always have them. it just might not be us making up a large chunk of that demand anymore. Also, less employers in the country is not a bad thing actually. Chinese corporations will make two major gains in the event china stops trading with the west. One, labor prices will drop, and business will be able to pay workers less. Two, chinese corporations won't have to deal with competition from tremendously wealthy western corporations. If the west stopped trading with china, however, prices of goods would rise by a large margin and business would be forced to pay our infamous high minimum wage and expensive benefits (which probably wouldn't last long, thanks to neo liberalism). The only possible good thing about it is that we will have more things that say 'made in USA'.

[QUOTE=Conscript;22199137]the west is not the world. Demand for cheap products and labor will always be there, and china will always have them. it just might not be us making up a large chunk of that demand anymore. Also, less employers in the country is not a bad thing actually. Chinese corporations will make two major gains in the event china stops trading with the west. One, labor prices will drop, and business will be able to pay workers less. Two, chinese corporations won't have to deal with competition from tremendously wealthy western corporations. If the west stopped trading with china, however, prices of goods would rise by a large margin and business would be forced to pay our infamous high minimum wage and expensive benefits (which probably wouldn't last long, thanks to neo liberalism). The only possible good thing about it is that we will have more things that say 'made in USA'.[/QUOTE] You should stop typing. You're feeding the capitalist machine by doing so.

You should stop trolling. You're feeding my ego by doing so.

I demand and immediate evacuation of SNSD. They're too valuable to my hard drive

[QUOTE=Conscript;22199851]You should stop trolling. You're feeding my ego by doing so.[/QUOTE] The internet company just made $5! Now they will oppress more brown people.

[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22199930]The internet company just made $5! Now they will oppress more brown people.[/QUOTE] What are you getting at?

[QUOTE=LordLoss;22193699]And let's call on the magical unicorn people for help while we're at it. If that was an option we would have done it by now. North Korea is impenetrable to any agent wishing to get in to snoop around, never mind shoot up some government officials. Their leader is almost never seen by anyone other than his personal elite uber-fanatic guards and selected members of the government.[/QUOTE] There are quite a few spies in North Korea. American foreign policy prohibits the assassination of foreign heads of state, however, which is why you don't really hear about it.

[QUOTE=Conscript;22197035]I'm confused why everyone thinks china wouldn't intervene if the north was attacked. China is not a friend of the west, and they have more interests vested in the north then the west. If anyone is going to back down because of the trade between china and the west, it's the latter. We need chinese products, but they don't need to sell them to us. There's also the threat that china could go and nationalize all chinese branches of foreign companies.[/QUOTE] Im pretty sure if china was planning on backing NK militarily in case of a attack they would be extremely vocal on the crisis at hand. And China and the US have strong diplomatic ties so they could be considered a friend of the west more so than many.