Open letter to parents of League of Legends players released - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kommodore;47124287]it's just a videogame[/QUOTE] its the same as if a kid was playing football or basketball with his friends imo

[QUOTE=Kommodore;47124344]there's a pretty thick line between getting a kick out of something and making entire swathes of your living day inalterable and then pretending you have a moral responsibility to other people in what is ultimately enjoyment for yourself and yourself only[/QUOTE] Like I said, obviously it is not the game for you if you can't take 40 minutes out of your schedule for a competitive game. Most people who play these games and have a life just plan out time when they can play it. And if ultimately all that matters to you is your own enjoyment, and you don't care about having courtesy for the people you're playing with, play another game. Or maybe single player games are more suited to your tastes, so then if you're incapable of being courteous, you won't affect anyone else.

you kick the kid off their game because it's their fucking bed time. i play dota and i'll abandon a game if i have something IRL to attend to. that's just the way life is

That letter was one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. [quote]his actions will permanently affect the statistics of up to 9 other people[/quote] Comedy.fucking.gold

Sometimes the kid has no control in when the parents decide for them to do something else. Sometimes the schedules set by their parents don't work with the schedules for their friends, or they have no schedule and are told to do things at the most unexpected of times. In our house, we can't even expect dinner to remain in the same 3 hour time frame,. I remember nearly every game I had with a friend since I was 13 or so ending in "We just realized we were out of X so we need to go to the store right now" or "The garbage needs to be taken out right now even though the garbagemen aren't coming for another 18 hours." It's great that you guys had proper schedules and everything but some are not so lucky and essentially can only play and hope something unexpected doesn't come up.

kinda dumb, its the responsibility of the person playing to make sure they have time for a game and that they dont have anything else that needs doing, not their parents. i had no problems when i used to play heroes of newerth when i lived at home 5 or so years ago because i didnt start games when i knew i was probably gonna be interrupted for something.

[QUOTE=NixNax123;47124301]For me, it's about the experience I have within the game on a play-by-play basis. I have fun based on my experience overall.[/QUOTE] and the experience is usually a lot worse if you have 1 less team mate. it's an uphill battle and you're at an objective disadvantage and are probably gonna lose unless your opponents don't know what they're doing or you were already really far ahead. at least in dota you're allowed to leave without penalty if another teammate abandoned the game, in league you have to keep playing and hope your team agrees to surrender.

Give leavers big penalties. Leave once? Can't play for 24 hours. Leave twice? Can't play for a week. Leave thrice? Can't play for 2 weeks. Most parents are unreasonable little shits because they don't want to spend five minutes trying to connect with their kid, force a parent-child confrontation to get communication started. As a bonus, you get rid of the casual retards that constantly leave games for no reason at all. Or just age restrict the game to 12-13 and older. By that time, you should already know the bullshit your parents throw at you, so you can predict it.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;47124435] If you click accept in a DOTA/dotaclone you are making a mutual commitment with 9 other people. It's not with family members or friends who might be able emphasize with you dog needing to be fed, its entirely fucking reasonable put some thought into timing it. No one who clicks accept asks to be matched with someone who needs to go in 10 minutes. Good will and personally responsibility is the only reason these kind of games can even function at all.[/QUOTE] By that logic, the child should not be pressing agree because they and their computer use are at the mercy of the whims of their parents. If this was an open letter to kids telling them not to play unless they are sure they can play through the match [I]that would make sense.[/I] Instead, this letter was written by someone who somehow thinks parents should change because their kid wants to play a videogame and the kids team mates dont want him to leave. News Flash, parents dont give a shit about their kids videogame obligations. They give a shit about parenting their children. And if that means jimmy has to get off the computer early tonight because he didn't finish his chores, then thats too fucking bad for his teammates. Jimmy shouldn't have agreed to a 1 hour game. /rant

This actually seems reasonable. I don't play these games but if you don't know if you'll finish the game then you shouldn't agree to play. If you're that young that you have someone telling you to get off the computer then you're probably too young to be playing anyway.

[QUOTE=GeneralSpecific;47124490]News Flash, parents dont give a shit about their kids videogame obligations. They give a shit about parenting their children. And if that means jimmy has to get off the computer early tonight because he didn't finish his chores, then thats too fucking bad for his teammates. Jimmy shouldn't have agreed to a 1 hour game.[/QUOTE] No one's saying the parents shouldn't discipline their child, the letter itself even says "If your child has bedtime/dinner in 45 minutes, don't allow them to start the game". The rest of the letter is saying "Don't force your child away from other people to do unnecessary things"

[I]BUT MUM, YOU CAN'T PAUSE ONLINE GAMES![/I] Sadly this letter is not going to do anything unless if it hits social media or the news.

In my day, Quake time ended when my parents took a phone off the hook. Also, I don't believe that just making friends online is at all as healthy as meeting people in real life. There are obviously exceptions to this when you are in remote locations, but myself being burned too many times with the "my friends are all online" card it's way better to go outside and find people to have fun with, or even bring them in with your online group to make some sort of connection between the two groups. You'll know people online but then at the same time when you aren't near a computer you aren't feeling like you're on your own. As for penalties with people leaving in the middle of an event, sure that's fine because nobody likes being left without a paddle. As a parent however yes you should integrate the 45 minute rule and make sure they're aware of what will happen if their kids don't want to follow it.

[QUOTE=Korova;47124154]Source: [url]http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/bEhf1EPt-open-letter-to-parents-of-league-of-legends-players[/url] [url]http://kotaku.com/league-of-legends-open-letter-to-parents-is-sensible-1684797954[/url] Before anyone says "it's just a game, parenting comes first" I'm not into MOBAs but I remember when I'd be playing Counter Strike with someone and you hear "GET OFF THE COMPUTER NOW" over Vent for stupid reasons like taking out the trash. It sucked. It put the team at a disadvantage and the way I see it is essentially pulling your kid from a sleepover/sporting event early without the social stigma of looking like an absolute asshole. Kids can be real pricks, starting a game 5 minutes before bed or before doing chores (which is entirely their fault), but I don't see why you'd kick your kid off the game. Personally, if my hypothetical son pulled that shit, he'd finish up and be punished after the game is over. I'd love to see what you guys think considering some of you are parents and all of you play games. This is a post made by a user and responded to by Riot and picked up by several gaming media sites. This isn't an official post.[/QUOTE] i can just imagine all the kids showing their parents this and getting ignored

[QUOTE=Kommodore;47124287]it's just a videogame[/QUOTE] "It's just an x" Video games teach teamwork. They teach important cognitive skills. They teach planning, logic, rationing. Video games encourage you to form strong social and functioning work relationships with people from a variety of backgrounds. Aside from the lack of physical exertion, they can be just as valuable for mental development than sports. Disconnecting somebody half way through a competitive match is like rocking up half way through a sports game and taking your kid home; it's unfair to the kid, it's unfair to the team and it makes the kid think that what he's doing isn't valuable or important, which it is. Video game development is going to become increasingly prevalent and the lines are gonna get more and more blurred between what functions as a game and what functions as education and productivity. The skills developed by playing games are becoming increasingly sought after - perseverance, creative problem solving, lateral logic. And the skills developed through modding and hobbyist video game development are becoming very valuable as software engineering becomes the dominant industry. Video games are a gateway to big things, and as long as a kid is encouraged to also seek face-to-face social time, parents should not be devaluing them.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;47124435]People in this thread need to stop missing the fucking point or stop posting. If you click accept in a DOTA/dotaclone you are making a mutual commitment with 9 other people. It's not with family members or friends who might be able emphasize with you dog needing to be fed, its entirely fucking reasonable put some thought into timing it. No one who clicks accept asks to be matched with someone who needs to go in 10 minutes. Good will and personally responsibility is the only reason these kind of games can even function at all.[/QUOTE] so why aim it at parents who likely dont know anything nor care about the game as if they are sitting watching their kids 24/7 and can tell them to not play a game because they have dinner soon? [QUOTE=nikomo;47124470]Give leavers big penalties. Leave once? Can't play for 24 hours. Leave twice? Can't play for a week. Leave thrice? Can't play for 2 weeks. Most parents are unreasonable little shits because they don't want to spend five minutes trying to connect with their kid, force a parent-child confrontation to get communication started. As a bonus, you get rid of the casual retards that constantly leave games for no reason at all. Or just age restrict the game to 12-13 and older. By that time, you should already know the bullshit your parents throw at you, so you can predict it.[/QUOTE] the reason its not like this is because you fuck over people who get legit problems once in a while, the systems are usually set up to punish repeat leavers. also age restriction would do nothing unless you had some korean like system where you had to validate your identity for an account, which is impossible for a game playable in almost any country. most parents seem unreasonable because like i said they dont know nor care about games, its up to the person playing to make sure they can actually play, not their parents. even though the letter is stupid because out of millions of players it isnt going to make a difference, but maybe they should be telling the people playing to make sure their chores are done/dinner or bedtime isnt going to overlap with the game.

[QUOTE=nikomo;47124470]Give leavers big penalties. Leave once? Can't play for 24 hours. Leave twice? Can't play for a week. Leave thrice? Can't play for 2 weeks.[/QUOTE] Seriously? There is no reason to be punished for leaving a game once, twice, or even thrice. If you leave them 4-5 times per day, sure, no playing for 24 hours would work. There are MANY legit reasons to leave games.

[QUOTE=FordLord;47124739]Seriously? There is no reason to be punished for leaving a game once, twice, or even thrice. If you leave them 4-5 times per day, sure, no playing for 24 hours would work. There are MANY legit reasons to leave games.[/QUOTE] not really. plan ahead and don't be dumb. if youre a child and your parents are assholes then don't play ranked games. [editline]12th February 2015[/editline] the problem with MOBAs is that you really need a full team to really enjoy it, once it's 4v5 or 3v5 the game is essentially ruined. [editline]12th February 2015[/editline] I dont get why people are so unable to claim responsibility for their own shit. it's so weird.

[QUOTE=FordLord;47124739]Seriously? There is no reason to be punished for leaving a game once, twice, or even thrice. If you leave them 4-5 times per day, sure, no playing for 24 hours would work. There are MANY legit reasons to leave games.[/QUOTE] It's not a drop-in and drop-out game. You honestly can't justify leaving. 30-45 minute is not a lot of time to commit to a game.

[QUOTE=The golden;47124798]Because life always gives you the chance to make plans. The very reason people sit down to play games is because they think they have the free time. If a person has to leave a game then no shit it's because something unexpected happened that they need to attend to. Who are you tell tell them that your stats are more important than their real life issues (and that they should be punished for them)? These types of games just breed such a toxic playerbase and mindset and what your saying just shows it. All punishing people does is appeases your petty need for revenge because you didn't get what you wanted in a video game. If someone is being a legitimate asshole then sure, act appropriately towards them. But leaving because of real-life issues away from the computer? Getting pissy over that is beyond selfish in my opinion.[/QUOTE] It shouldn't be above all else, but it should be treated like the same as something engaging of your attention, for example football. You don't see children who are playing a game of football just leave "lol soz g2g take garbage out" and run home off the field. Real life happens, we all know it. That's why there's small leniency, to encompass emergencies and when you HAVE to go.

[QUOTE=The golden;47124798]Because life always gives you the chance to make plans. The very reason people sit down to play games is because they think they have the free time. If a person has to leave a game then no shit it's because something unexpected happened that they need to attend to. Who are you tell tell them that your stats are more important than their real life issues (and that they should be punished for them)? These types of games just breed such a toxic playerbase and mindset and what your saying just shows it. All punishing people does is appeases your petty need for revenge because you didn't get what you wanted in a video game. If someone is being a legitimate asshole then sure, act appropriately towards them. But leaving because of real-life issues away from the computer? Getting pissy over that is beyond selfish in my opinion.[/QUOTE] what kind of unexpected shit happens to you that you suddenly need to leave a game that instant, and can't wait 15 mins? I dont understand, do you guys actually have that many unpredictable real life issues that you are fucking pulled away from your computer on an hourly basis? unless someone is dying or there's an earthquake or something, there is no legitimate reason to leave. people can understand when you leave for legitimate reasons... but a lot of people that leave have terrible fucking reasons, and just ruin the game for others. [editline]12th February 2015[/editline] i dont want to be the big fat nerd that tells people that video games is more important than real life, but why is it so hard to balance the two? if you think there's a chance you might need to leave the game, then why play at all?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47124214]That felt a bit silly to read but unfortunately this happens. An experience I had that's related to this was about a year ago when I used to play MOBAs, my father asked me to help with a chore while I was in the middle of a game. I couldn't because it would ruin the fun of 9 other people and I explained that to him. [B]He later bitched that I put my video games before my family.[/B][/QUOTE] such a dad thing to say the dramatic fallacy of the excluded middle applied to something of as little urgency and importance as taking out the trash.

[QUOTE=pentium;47124587]In my day, Quake time ended when my parents took a phone off the hook. Also, I don't believe that just making friends online is at all as healthy as meeting people in real life. There are obviously exceptions to this when you are in remote locations, but myself being burned too many times with the "my friends are all online" card it's way better to go outside and find people to have fun with, or even bring them in with your online group to make some sort of connection between the two groups. [B]You'll know people online but then at the same time when you aren't near a computer you aren't feeling like you're on your own.[/B] As for penalties with people leaving in the middle of an event, sure that's fine because nobody likes being left without a paddle. As a parent however yes you should integrate the 45 minute rule and make sure they're aware of what will happen if their kids don't want to follow it.[/QUOTE] But that's when I get on CIP with my phone.

[QUOTE=Korova;47124154]Personally, if my hypothetical son pulled that shit, he'd finish up and be punished after the game is over. [/QUOTE] ahaha holy shit

What is [I]with[/I] MOBA gamers? I consider myself a gaming enthusiast and stuff like this disgusts me. Kudos to the writer for putting things so diplomatically, but for fuck's sake. It's entertainment. It's not making you any money and it's not going to get you laid.

when my kid pulls this shit ill just boot em off the computer and fill in his role on the team, probably do better than him too just to put him in his place

[QUOTE=archangel125;47124876]What is [I]with[/I] MOBA gamers? I consider myself a gaming enthusiast and stuff like this disgusts me. Kudos to the writer for putting things so diplomatically, but for fuck's sake. It's entertainment. [B]It's not making you any money and it's not going to get you laid.[/B][/QUOTE] That's not the point? I never have thought for a second games were going to make me money. I play games with a few beers to relax after a long and stressful day at work, and later at night to just hang out with some people I know, both IRL and online. It definitely becomes less relaxing when some shit leaves and makes the match frustrating because they didn't plan their time/their parent doesn't understand that real people are effected and want them to do something mundane and non time-sensitive.

[QUOTE=Levelog;47124896]That's not the point? I never have thought for a second games were going to make me money. I play games with a few beers to relax after a long and stressful day at work, and later at night to just hang out with some people I know, both IRL and online. It definitely becomes less relaxing when some shit leaves and makes the match frustrating because they didn't plan their time/their parent doesn't understand that real people are effected and want them to do something mundane and non time-sensitive.[/QUOTE] I think the point of entertainment for relaxation is that it never gets frustrating.

I mean shit happens, but that doesn't nearly account for a majority of leavers.

[QUOTE=Arc Nova;47124892]when my kid pulls this shit ill just boot em off the computer and fill in his role on the team, probably do better than him too just to put him in his place[/QUOTE] Smack your son for not supporting properly