Open letter to parents of League of Legends players released - Polidicks

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128062]In a world where we can't expect grown adults to not do seriously criminal things like have sex with underage kids, we're supposed to act as if kids should be expected to not commit to playing a game unless they can complete it? Haha, no.[/QUOTE] Okay so until we make all adults stop doing criminal things we should not teach children to be considerate of other people. That makes so much sense. [QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128062]If people could be counted on to behave appropriately the world would be a huge utopia, which it obviously isn't. I don't see how people don't understand this. If competitive and team games are your thing, it's imperative that you find or build a team of people you know you can rely on. That's YOUR responsibility, not the parent's responsibility.[/QUOTE] It's my responsibility to avoid kids on the internet fucking up (intentionally or not) the things that I do and not the parents' responsibility to teach their children not to fuck things up for other people and maybe even stop them from doing it. Because they do it through [I][B][U]just a video game[/U][/B][/I] lol.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128128]That's not a good analogy because the kid is at soccer practice with the parent's permission and probably even approval(exercise being healthy and all). Online gaming, unless the parent is also into it, is a foreign thing to most parents. It's something they tolerate, not something they see as important in any way. A kid might as well be saying "Let me finish texting my friend" in terms of how important playing online games are to parents.[/QUOTE] Of course, the letter implies that the kid should need your permission to play something that he will have to commit to for half an hour or whatever. If you don't think your child won't have enough free time to play, don't let him play. Just like soccer.

[QUOTE=Banned?;47124279]You clearly don't understand the attitude of people who play these games.[/quote] Oh I understand their attitude just fine. It's why I refuse to play MOBAs in the first place. The majority of people you meet in a MOBA amount to social cancer. Unhelpful, selfish shitbags that care only about their ranking and not having a little fun. I needed only one match in LoL several years ago to figure this out, and it has only gotten worse since. MOBA players are the most toxic large scale gaming community in the hobby. They make the barrier of entry for MOBAs significantly higher than the gameplay itself ever tries to do and are the number one problem with MOBAs. I may very well have ended up enjoying them, but because of the toxicity I experienced and continue to experience despite not playing them I refuse to pick them up again. I'm not willing to put up with the vitriol, simple as that. [quote]If someone DC's in the middle of the game, leaving their team at a disadvantage, they have effectively wasted four other peoples time. Maybe those other peoples time was limited. Maybe it was their only game they could play that day. Maybe it was in the middle of a match you were winning. Maybe it was in the middle of a match you were losing but making a comeback. Either way, you've effectively left four other people to flounder in a match for anywhere from 15-45 minutes. That is a long time to be stuck with the notion of "This guy left, so we're probably going to lose now." Games do have comebacks, I've won some 4v5's in Dota myself, but generally you're down someone and you're stuck. It's not fun, it's not relaxing to be forced to play down a guy. Then, once the game is over and you've lost, unless you have the foresight to just ignore everyone on the enemy team, that amazing sentence rings out over all chat: "ez". Welp.[/QUOTE] Yes, yes, yes, I get that. And I stand by my point anyway. The most you should ever react to something like that happening is a bemused chuckle and a dismissive shrug. The moment you find yourself getting angry at things like that is the moment you need to put the game down. The worst part of it is sometimes that DC can't be helped. People's net goes down all the time, maybe their computer or client crashed, maybe they aren't the one that pays the internet bill in that household and the one who did forgot to pay it that week. Who knows. Shit happens. Getting pissy and getting toxic over it doesn't do anyone any favors, so it's best to just shrug and move on. Don't take it seriously because it isn't a serious thing in the first place. [i]It's just a game.[/i] Roflburger here has the idea. He knows what to do. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47124245]I ended up quitting mobas because it was too stressful and I would catch myself calling other players garbage if they were really bad.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128062]Flip it around. You are the parent. You need your kid to do something right now. He's playing a game. You're telling me your thought process is "Well, those random internet people NEED him right now so I'll just wait my turn"? "Need" meaning to play a game...a [I]game[/I]. I don't think a lot of parents are up on taking second place to a game.[/QUOTE] Define "do something right now" because you are acting like if something that a parent asks their child to do isn't done immediately the world will end. Can dishes wait 15 minutes? Is there a bomb in the trash that needs to be taken out before it explodes? If the thing the child has to do can wait few minutes I'll let him finish if it's actually going to fuck up things for other people. My wit that the dishes have to be done right now is not more important that fucking something up for other people. Same reason why I don't litter the sidewalk even if it would be convenient for me to just throw the empty bottle away instead of carrying it to the next trashcan. And if the child was told that at a certain hour he has to his chores, if those chores can wait, I'll let him finish and ground the fuck for not keeping the timeline we agreed on and if they can't [U]absolutely [/U]wait, I'll force him to quit and ground the fuck even more. Just as if he has fucked up for instance a sandcastle that 9 strangers were working on for an hour. I understand that if your child would destroy a sandcastle that a group of 9 strangers was working on for an hour you would not scold it because it was [I][U]just a sandcastle[/U][/I]?

[QUOTE=The golden;47124798]All punishing people does is appeases your petty need for revenge[/QUOTE] wtf no banning people for leaving just encourages them not to do it again besides if you've ever played league for long enough you'll know it actually takes a lot of leaves before you actually get banned, to the point where if you do get punished you either have some of the shittiest time management skills ever seen, are leaving on purpose or have way more emergencies that require you to leave the game than the average player [editline]12th February 2015[/editline] i play league to relax and enjoy it not to waste 50 minutes getting crushed in a 4v5 because someone couldn't start a match when they actually had enough time to play it

I liked the pennyarcade response strip to this.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128062]In a world where we can't expect grown adults to not do seriously criminal things like have sex with underage kids, we're supposed to act as if kids should be expected to not commit to playing a game unless they can complete it? Haha, no. If people could be counted on to behave appropriately the world would be a huge utopia, which it obviously isn't. I don't see how people don't understand this.[/QUOTE] But the majority of people do behave appropriately, which is exactly why society works on the massive scale that it does.

On the one hand, it makes sense- parents would likely allow a child to complete a game of football in the garden with their friends rather than interrupt for something trivial. just because something is virtual doesn't mean time and effort weren't spent on it. But on the other, this letter starts to look super pathetic the moment they start getting all melodramatic about leavers messing with their statistics. No parent is going to care about your super serious ~league stats~ or your position on a leader-board and they certainly aren't going to appreciate some random saying they are teaching their child to be callous over quitting a video-game.

I have 60 abandons in dota for being assigned jobs at completely random times when I lived at home. Or say, parents flipping the switch on the router because they think I should be doing other things in my spare time. Doesn't just apply to DOTA by the way, how about EVE Online where everything you fly has tangible worth and being cut off means you have to pray you didn't die. Bye bye, shiny battleship. And it is a problem when you end up with parents that won't take an explanation from their kids. "My parents are reasonable and cool" isn't something I ever heard from anyone who has parents that don't listen to them. There's a difference between starting a game at bedtime and abusing an excuse and asking to do a job that isn't going anywhere after the game has finished. If you can't stand waiting for a bin to get emptied while your kid deals with their life then you need to take a good long think about your parenting skills. I was 18 then, so the density of some people extends to not being able to reason with an adult child

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128128]That's not a good analogy because the kid is at soccer practice with the parent's permission and probably even approval(exercise being healthy and all). Online gaming, unless the parent is also into it, is a foreign thing to most parents. It's something they tolerate, not something they see as important in any way. A kid might as well be saying "Let me finish texting my friend" in terms of how important playing online games are to parents.[/QUOTE] I think the idea of the letter is to explain why they are actually pretty similar. Someone else mentioned it earlier in this thread but I don't see the practical difference between someone playing a Dota/LoL/CSGO match and playing a pickup game of basketball or football. [editline]12th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Arc Nova;47124918]No video game should make you this frustrated, I don't even care what it is. There's so many frustrating things in life. I just really cant see why anyone would get like that over this[/QUOTE] It's less about the video game itself and more about the disrespect you show the other 4 people on your team by effectively wasting their time. It's not the loss I care about, it's the fact that the last 45 minutes of my time that I could have had spent in a fair match have been thrown away and I will now spend the next 5-15 minutes slowly losing so I can go back to having fun. As someone else said, this is definitely a problem with MOBA games in particular. I'm really happy with the ivory tower folks in this thread who have literally never been frustrated with a video game ever in their life that can look down on us people who actually have limited time to work with but "it's just a video game why are you mad lol" is just sidestepping the entire point.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;47128204]Define "do something right now"[/QUOTE] Once again, you're missing the point. If I'm the parent and I'm telling my kid to do something right now, it is by default important because [b]I'm[/b] the one telling him. The people online, whether it's in a game or videochat or livestream, they are all irrelevant. They certainly do not take priority over what I tell my kid to do. If you need someone to commit to X amount of time to do whatever it is you require, it's up to you to find such a person. It's unrealistic and unreasonable to expect other people to enforce rules that keep your players in line for you. That's all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128621]Once again, you're missing the point. If I'm the parent and I'm telling my kid to do something right now, it is by default important because [b]I'm[/b] the one telling him. The people online, whether it's in a game or videochat or livestream, they are all irrelevant. They certainly do not take priority over what I tell my kid to do. If you need someone to commit to X amount of time to do whatever it is you require, it's up to you to find such a person. It's unrealistic and unreasonable to expect other people to enforce rules that keep your players in line for you. That's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE] It's unreasonable to expect people to change their minds on what they think of comprises video games today? A lot of parents today know video games as Mario, Tetris, Sonic, and Pac Man. Adults typically don't talk to other adults about just how complex games like Dota are and how heavily they rely on human interaction. This letter seems to be an attempt that that. I do generally agree that finding people with a similar schedule should always take top priority before turning to pick up groups but is fostering better communication really that bad?

Mobas just ruin peoples personalities. A game where you can't pause and if you go away it affects 10 other people? A game where you basically roll the dice for a decent team and if you roll bad it effects your ranking to get to the next tier of players? To me this just seems to cause distrust and hate towards other fellow players. I saw my cousin go from normal to an obsessive, raging, moba player. What happened to team based multiplayer games where you could just sit back and relax and not have to worry about your rank and always have to be preoccupied with what your teammates are doing? I am honestly getting sick of this genre's popularity. There are too many problems inherent in it's game systems and culture.

[QUOTE=BenJammin';47128700]Mobas just ruin peoples personalities. A game where you can't pause and if you go away it affects 10 other people? A game where you basically roll the dice for a decent team and if you roll bad it effects your ranking to get to the next tier of players? To me this just seems to cause distrust and hate towards other fellow players. I saw my cousin go from normal to an obsessive, raging, moba player. What happened to team based multiplayer games where you could just sit back and relax and not have to worry about your rank and always have to be preoccupied with what your teammates are doing? I am honestly getting sick of this genre's popularity. There are too many problems inherent in it's game systems and culture.[/QUOTE] Well I don't rage in MOBAs and I know plenty that don't but I've also been invited to parties with people that are the worst. Like, literally a week ago I was playing with an old friend I hadn't spoken to in a while and he was just screaming at a teammate that he's a piece of shit and should go kill himself for the entire hour, and that just makes for an uncomfortable game. You shouldn't be sick at the game though, the game isn't an excuse to be an immature raging little shit, and I don't buy the game bringing out the worst in people because you're pinning the blame on the game instead of the people who fuck it up.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128621]Once again, you're missing the point. If I'm the parent and I'm telling my kid to do something right now, it is by default important because [b]I'm[/b] the one telling him. The people online, whether it's in a game or videochat or livestream, they are all irrelevant. They certainly do not take priority over what I tell my kid to do. If you need someone to commit to X amount of time to do whatever it is you require, it's up to you to find such a person. It's unrealistic and unreasonable to expect other people to enforce rules that keep your players in line for you. That's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE] In other words, you would consider your child's activities, interests, and commitments are less important than whatever it is you want them to do? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point of view, but to me that just seems so arbitrary and along the same vein as something like "well I don't care that you want to go to acting class, you're doing tennis practice instead" or whatever. Of course, it isn't always going to be that clear cut, but I don't see why there has to be this "my way or the highway" approach instead of building a relationship of mutual respect and trust? I mean, if they knew dinner would be in 30 minutes and started a match anyway, then it's understandable that they should be punished (though, as the letter notes, there are ways to do this without punishing the other people who happen to be playing with them); but if you decide the floor needs to be washed, why can't it wait 30 minutes or whatever? Why would that be such an issue regardless of if it affects other people or not?

[QUOTE=BenJammin';47128700] What happened to team based multiplayer games where you could just sit back and relax and not have to worry about your rank and always have to be preoccupied with what your teammates are doing?[/QUOTE] I don't think team-based mutliplayer games were ever like that. I mean my first online FPS experience was Tribes 1 and I remember getting frustrated when it felt no one on my team was playing to win. I think you are doing your team a disservice if you aren't actively gauging the battlefield. I will of course make the distinction between frustration and outright rage.

[QUOTE=eurocracy;47128567]I have 60 abandons in dota for being assigned jobs at completely random times when I lived at home. Or say, parents flipping the switch on the router because they think I should be doing other things in my spare time. Doesn't just apply to DOTA by the way, how about EVE Online where everything you fly has tangible worth and being cut off means you have to pray you didn't die. Bye bye, shiny battleship. And it is a problem when you end up with parents that won't take an explanation from their kids. "My parents are reasonable and cool" isn't something I ever heard from anyone who has parents that don't listen to them. There's a difference between starting a game at bedtime and abusing an excuse and asking to do a job that isn't going anywhere after the game has finished. If you can't stand waiting for a bin to get emptied while your kid deals with their life then you need to take a good long think about your parenting skills. I was 18 then, so the density of some people extends to not being able to reason with an adult child[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Raidyr;47128644]It's unreasonable to expect people to change their minds on what they think of comprises video games today? A lot of parents today know video games as Mario, Tetris, Sonic, and Pac Man. Adults typically don't talk to other adults about just how complex games like Dota are and how heavily they rely on human interaction. This letter seems to be an attempt that that. [/QUOTE] The "greater community good" do not and never will fall under your responsibility as a parent, if that's what you're both trying to insinuate. [editline]12th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=DaMastez;47128747]In other words, you would consider your child's activities, interests, and commitments are less important than whatever it is you want them to do? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point of view, but to me that just seems so arbitrary and along the same vein as something like "well I don't care that you want to go to acting class, you're doing tennis practice instead" or whatever. Of course, it isn't always going to be that clear cut, but I don't see why there has to be this "my way or the highway" approach instead of building a relationship of mutual respect and trust? I mean, if they knew dinner would be in 30 minutes and started a match anyway, then it's understandable that they should be punished (though, as the letter notes, there are ways to do this without punishing the other people who happen to be playing with them); but if you decide the floor needs to be washed, why can't it wait 30 minutes or whatever? Why would that be such an issue regardless of if it affects other people or not?[/QUOTE] A parent can choose to respect their child's activities, interest and "commitments" (playing online games isn't a commitment, let's be clear on that) but it is always within the bounds of what the parent decides is best for the child. I don't see why you would think that a relationship built on mutual respect and trust would include having the child spend as much time as they wanted playing computer games. The only obligation a parent has is to do what they decide is best for their child. In fact, if the parent wanted to remove the computer all toghether - they would be well within their rights.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;47128793]The "greater community good" do not and never will fall under your responsibility as a parent, if that's what you're both trying to insinuate. [/QUOTE] I have no idea what the "greater community good" even means so I'm going to go with no, I'm not trying to insinuate anything of the sort. [QUOTE=demoguy08;47128793]I don't see why you would think that a relationship built on mutual respect and trust would include having the child spend as much time as they wanted playing computer games. [/QUOTE] But neither the letter nor the person you are quoting ever said or even implied that? [editline]12th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=demoguy08;47128793]In fact, if the parent wanted to remove the computer all toghether - they would be well within their rights.[/QUOTE] Literally no one is arguing this. Are you sure you are in the right thread?

[QUOTE=demoguy08;47128793]The "greater community good" do not and never will fall under your responsibility as a parent, if that's what you're both trying to insinuate.[/QUOTE] It isn't just about the "greater community good" from my point of view; it's about showing interest and building a stronger relationship of trust with your child, which I would argue is something parents should be trying to do at some level. Trust is a matter of give and take though, and barging in without warning saying "XYZ needs to be done right now" when it really doesn't and could easily wait 30 minutes or whatever isn't building trust, it's tearing it down, and is effectively punishing the child for no real reason. Though, the entire concept of randomly deciding something needs to be done right now is, to me, quite strange; in the "real world" it would be considered common courtesy to give some forewarning of some task. Thus, I would say that something like "Do XYZ before tomorrow night please" would be a much better approach for these unscheduled chores or whatnot, while also helping to teach the child to manage their time effectively (rather than forcing them to be "on call" 24/7). Again, this obviously won't work for every case, or even every child, but in general I would think this is a much better approach to the most common cases.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;47128894]It isn't just about the "greater community good" from my point of view; it's about showing interest and building a stronger relationship of trust with your child, which I would argue is something parents should be trying to do at some level. Trust is a matter of give and take though, and barging in without warning saying "XYZ needs to be done right now" when it really doesn't and could easily wait 30 minutes or whatever isn't building trust, it's tearing it down, and is effectively punishing the child for no real reason. Though, the entire concept of randomly deciding something needs to be done right now is, to me, quite strange; in the "real world" it would be considered common courtesy to give some forewarning of some task. Thus, I would say that something like "Do XYZ before tomorrow night please" would be a much better approach for these unscheduled chores or whatnot, while also helping to teach the child to manage their time effectively (rather than forcing them to be "on call" 24/7). Again, this obviously won't work for every case, or even every child, but in general I would think this is a much better approach to the most common cases.[/QUOTE] Oh, I fully agree with you. My objection lies in the way some people in this thread seem to argue that parents should take the gaming community into account when they make decisions regarding their children.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;47128793]A parent can choose to respect their child's activities, interest and "commitments" (playing online games isn't a commitment, let's be clear on that) but it is always within the bounds of what the parent decides is best for the child. I don't see why you would think that a relationship built on mutual respect and trust would include having the child spend as much time as they wanted playing computer games. The only obligation a parent has is to do what they decide is best for their child. In fact, if the parent wanted to remove the computer all toghether - they would be well within their rights.[/QUOTE] You misunderstand my point; it isn't about allowing the child to spend as much time as they want doing whatever they want, it's about the child having the ability to say "I'm busy doing something which is important to me right now, I'll be able to do unexpected thing XYZ in about 30 minutes" and have the parent understand that activity is important to them and that yes, XYZ can wait 30 minutes (which, in most cases it probably can). Now the trust part is something which is built over time, but without giving any ground you can't begin to build any trust.

[QUOTE=eurocracy;47128567]I have 60 abandons in dota for being assigned jobs at completely random times when I lived at home. Or say, parents flipping the switch on the router because they think I should be doing other things in my spare time. Doesn't just apply to DOTA by the way, how about EVE Online where everything you fly has tangible worth and being cut off means you have to pray you didn't die. Bye bye, shiny battleship. And it is a problem when you end up with parents that won't take an explanation from their kids. "My parents are reasonable and cool" isn't something I ever heard from anyone who has parents that don't listen to them. There's a difference between starting a game at bedtime and abusing an excuse and asking to do a job that isn't going anywhere after the game has finished. If you can't stand waiting for a bin to get emptied while your kid deals with their life then you need to take a good long think about your parenting skills. I was 18 then, so the density of some people extends to not being able to reason with an adult child[/QUOTE] I've never understood the "cut the router/power" kinds of parent. It's as if they lack both patience and the social skills to actually work something out verbally, so they turn to the home infrastructure instead. It's fucking alien to me because I can't even imagine my parents ever doing that. I'm just consistently flabbergasted when I hear people bitch about their parents doing crazy shit because apparently I was raised in a utopian household which somehow had a social structure based entirely around mutual respect and understanding or something.

[QUOTE=froztshock;47129033]I've never understood the "cut the router/power" kinds of parent. It's as if they lack both patience and the social skills to actually work something out verbally, so they turn to the home infrastructure instead. It's fucking alien to me because I can't even imagine my parents ever doing that. I'm just consistently flabbergasted when I hear people bitch about their parents doing crazy shit because apparently I was raised in a utopian household which somehow had a social structure based entirely around mutual respect and understanding or something.[/QUOTE] hahaha this reminds me of how my mum didnt understand how to work the router, so she used to just pull the fuses out of the electrical box in the under stairs cupboard so my brothers and i would lose power on our pcs. Apparently having everything in the freezer defrost was preferable to letting me have 10 more minutes to finish my damn match.

[QUOTE=Bobie;47124367]you kick the kid off their game because it's their fucking bed time. i play dota and i'll abandon a game if i have something IRL to attend to. that's just the way life is[/QUOTE] I'm sure the people you play with love you. [editline]12th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ScumBunny;47124982]As a gamer and a parent I fully support this message: [IMG]http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-BZDHjvC/0/1050x10000/i-BZDHjvC-1050x10000.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] holy shit someone deserves a punch to the face

[QUOTE=BenJammin';47128700]Mobas just ruin peoples personalities. A game where you can't pause and if you go away it affects 10 other people? A game where you basically roll the dice for a decent team and if you roll bad it effects your ranking to get to the next tier of players? To me this just seems to cause distrust and hate towards other fellow players. I saw my cousin go from normal to an obsessive, raging, moba player.[/QUOTE] Half Life just ruins peoples personalities. A game where you can't play with your friends and just run around beating people to death with crowbar? A game basically about murdering people and wasting your own time? To me this just seems to ruin peoples lives. I saw my cousin go from normal to a nerdy, lonely, Half Life playing, forum browser. [QUOTE=BenJammin';47128700]What happened to team based multiplayer games where you could just sit back and relax and not have to worry about your rank and always have to be preoccupied with what your teammates are doing?[/QUOTE] Nothing happened to those games. Battlefield, Team Fortress, Call of Duty etc. still does this. [QUOTE=BenJammin';47128700]I am honestly getting sick of this genre's popularity. There are too many problems inherent in it's game systems and culture.[/QUOTE] What you are describing could be applied to any serious competitive game involving random participants. The more time and energy you invest into something the more you care about the outcome. It's not an inherent problem with this type of game, it's the whole point of it.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128621]Once again, you're missing the point. If I'm the parent and I'm telling my kid to do something right now, it is by default important because [b]I'm[/b] the one telling him. The people online, whether it's in a game or videochat or livestream, they are all irrelevant. They certainly do not take priority over what I tell my kid to do. If you need someone to commit to X amount of time to do whatever it is you require, it's up to you to find such a person. It's unrealistic and unreasonable to expect other people to enforce rules that keep your players in line for you. That's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE] dont want to go psychological on your ass but man you sound like someone who had unneccessarily strict and cruel parents

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128621]Once again, you're missing the point. If I'm the parent and I'm telling my kid to do something right now, it is by default important because [b]I'm[/b] the one telling him. The people online, whether it's in a game or videochat or livestream, they are all irrelevant. They certainly do not take priority over what I tell my kid to do. If you need someone to commit to X amount of time to do whatever it is you require, it's up to you to find such a person. It's unrealistic and unreasonable to expect other people to enforce rules that keep your players in line for you. That's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE] I think that [I]you[/I] are the one missing the point. People are not irrelevant just because you're the parent. People online are just as human as you are. If you allow your child to play LoL, competitive CS:GO or anything of the sort you're agreeing that he is going to commit 30 to 60 minutes of his life to it. You're the one responsible for him, and that's the whole point of it. It's not that the game is higher in the 'important things' list than trash or sleeping, it's that you allowed your child to agree to it, and by proxy you're agreeing to it too, own up to it or bar him from the game, it's that simple. If your trash is such a big deal that you're willing to ruin the entertainment of 4~9 people, please be considerate and don't let your kid join the match, since it's clearly not that important anyways. I shouldn't have [B]my [/B]fun time ruined just because your child agreed to it and then backed out.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;47128621]Once again, you're missing the point. If I'm the parent and I'm telling my kid to do something right now, it is by default important because [b]I'm[/b] the one telling him. The people online, whether it's in a game or videochat or livestream, they are all irrelevant. They certainly do not take priority over what I tell my kid to do. [/QUOTE] Hohohooooly shit I'm glad I wasn't your fucking kid, jesus Condelences to your future child.

[QUOTE=FetusFondler;47129629]Hohohooooly shit I'm glad I wasn't your fucking kid, jesus Condelences to your future child.[/QUOTE] he's saying a parent should have authority over their child, i don't see anything crazy or fucked up about that

If I still played League, I would say that I think it should be illegal to play while under the influence, mostly of alcohol. It didn't happen often, and it was amusing, but getting a drunk person was an instant defeat.