• Viking era ring found inscribed with the words "for Allah", caliphate confirmed 1,200 years old.
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Finally, an artifact ISIS won't destroy. (Hopefully) EDIT: Oh shit I've jinxed it?
viking rape and pillage of Middle East confirmed?
Cool ring, but what's new here? Isn't the age of the islamic religion pretty well-known already?
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;47357932]Cool ring, but what's new here? Isn't the age of the islamic religion pretty well-known already?[/QUOTE] I think it's impressive that it's something that was found so far away that was so old, presumably the place it was found was about the same age. Also, additional confirmation is good, especially for things that old.
Valhallahu ackbar
The Norse were explorers and traders, ranging thousands of miles from their homeland. This is a cool find and a beautiful piece of jewellery, but no surprise. I bet there's more out there.
watch out isis is gonna eat it
Scandinavian countries have no option but to simply capitulate after this finding.
Wow, that is seriously awesome.
[QUOTE=Hellsten;47356609]What, it is widely known that the Norsemen reached Islamic domains, particularly [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalus"]Al-Andalus[/URL].[/QUOTE] It honestly disappoints me every time I see news about the vikings because it's always some shit like "amazing new discovery proves vikings did not wear horned helmets."
How does a ring "confirm" the Caliphate's existence when we already have more than enough records written about their invasions from the people getting invaded? The Sassanids and Byzantines weren't exactly illiterate people.
[QUOTE=Brandy92;47357907]viking rape and pillage of Middle East confirmed?[/QUOTE] Swedish vikings completely leveled and burned Paris over a payment that was considered too small. It's not impossible they would've done similar to places in the middle east.
Didn't the Vikings also do a lot of trading with the Arabs and or Turks? if so, it's possible that a Viking bought the ring and didn't know what the inscription on it meant or just didn't care and thought the ring looked cool and bought it from a merchant and gave it to his wife or daughter. Hell I guess it's even possible that the woman they found it on was an Arab or Turk who was married to or was a slave of a Viking or was the daughter/wife of a merchant who died and or was killed while her husband was up there making deals with the Vikings who didn't want to take her corpse all the way back home and have it rot on the way so he buried her up there.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;47358399]How does a ring "confirm" the Caliphate's existence when we already have more than enough records written about their invasions from the people getting invaded? The Sassanids and Byzantines weren't exactly illiterate people.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about the Caliphatae of Sweden bruh
Maybe my mom was right about us having part turkish pirate in our blood. So basically guys my ancestors were pirates and vikings. Go figure.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;47358813]Maybe my mom was right about us having part turkish pirate in our blood. So basically guys my ancestors were pirates and vikings. Go figure.[/QUOTE] Well mathematically speaking you're related to literally everyone on the planet if you go back that far.
Jesus, the Vikings have been EVERYWHERE!
Maybe it has a similar story to the Saxon coin they found with Arabic [IMG]http://www.dot-domesday.me.uk/offa_dinar_obv.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47356467]And yet you still have people crying like fucking babies over how Europe has nothing to do with Islam and that they're invading our culture.[/quote] Could it be because historically Islam actually [i]has[/i] invaded Europe and suppressed European culture? Yes actually, that is the correct answer: Europe and Islam have never gotten along with each other. Whether it was Spain and Portugal being invaded and subjugated by the Umayyads-- who later attempted to continue expanding their caliphate into France (and thankfully failed)-- or the Islamic invasion of Sicily/Italy and Crete and establishment of the Sicilian Emirate, or, again, the invasion of the Balkans/Byzantine lands by the Rashiduns and Umayyads and consolidation under the Ottoman Empire-- who attempted to expand into Venice and Austria and who did successfully invade Hungary in the 16th and 17th centuries... the fact of the matter is pleasant relations have never been something which have existed between the Islamic religion and its followers and the peoples of Europe. But that's to be expected when you take groups of people from completely different cultures, who have completely different identities and religious faiths and traditions (etc.), and put them close together with one another. Odds are they're not going to get along well. Why is this surprising? [b]OT[/b]; the Vikings went everywhere they could, so this is an interesting but not shocking find. I wish this woman's body had been preserved better so a forensic analysis could have been conducted on her. Too bad the bones deteriorated.
[QUOTE=Charybdis;47359691]Maybe it has a similar story to the Saxon coin they found with Arabic [IMG]http://www.dot-domesday.me.uk/offa_dinar_obv.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Arabic AND latin? now that's advanced.
All of these people being surprised that Vikings interacted with Muslims but forgetting that these are the same people that sailed to America without a compass or knowledge of the sea It wouldn't be entirely out of the question that they met the Maya or even sailed around Africa considering their navigation skills [editline]20th March 2015[/editline] Also why is everyone bitching about Muslim invasions of Europe when it is clear this was acquired through trade
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;47359852]Arabic AND latin? now that's advanced.[/QUOTE] From Wikipedia: [QUOTE]Some of the first imitations of the Kufic script go back to the 8th century when the English king Offa (r. 757–796) produced gold coins imitating Islamic dinars. These coins were copies of an Abbasid dinar struck in 774 by Caliph Al-Mansur, with "Offa Rex" centred on the reverse. It is clear that the moneyer had no understanding of Arabic as the Arabic text contains many errors. The coin may have been produced in order to trade with Islamic Spain; or it may be part of the annual payment of 365 mancuses that Offa promised to Rome.[/QUOTE]
Is it not possible that the owner of the rings name was actually Allah?
History is radical
[QUOTE=Jitterz;47364053]Is it not possible that the owner of the rings name was actually Allah?[/QUOTE] It doesn't match Old Norse and as far as I'm aware it's not exactly acceptable to name your children Allah in Islam.
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