• Court Hearing in NYC on Whether Chimps Have Rights
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[QUOTE=ironman17;47816326]If they aren't sapient, they're damn close. And if they are, they're probably in their Stone Age. So it makes perfect sense to give them sapient rights (the non-anthrocentric term for it), since they are capable of sign language even if they don't have the right vocal cords for human levels of speech. Either way, they could probably do with a little elevation.[/QUOTE] Chimps are about as smart as 2-3 year olds, so I assumed that they would have the same moral status as toddlers would, even if they're not human. But I dunno, maybe toddlers aren't people either.
We should give dolphins rights first
I agree with dolphins rights thing. As for no right, I sorta know where you coming from…
Gorillas > Chimps At least a Gorilla will try to let you know when it's pissed off, Chimps are just fuckheads.
[QUOTE=SleepyAl;47818855]"Personhood and self-autonomous" rights are an all or none deal. Right now they're treated by the law as chimps, which are animals. Bringing them to a sanctuary is basically stealing them from the university. They can't give consent because they don't know what the fuck consent is, they can survive by themselves but they are not "people" and thus don't have "personhood" rights. If we gave chimps "personhood rights" equal to humans, then we'd have to treat them like humans. They're not humans, they have no concept of law, so they'll end up in jail or an asylum when they inevitably rip someone's face off, throw shit at someone, litter, walk around indecently exposed, refuse to get a job, jaywalk, skip paying taxes, steal, rape, et cetera. If they have "personhood" rights, bringing them to the sanctuary is kidnapping, since they didn't consent to go. Instead they should be dropped off on the street, since they're "people" now, and people know how to get housing and a job to survive. Seriously, this is just a feel-good court case that the judge is going to throw out without a second thought.[/QUOTE] I'm just laughing my ass off at this whole thread, and especially this post, just imagining chimps trying to walk around in the city with a briefcase and a tie. "Sir that hot-dog is not free!" *Shreiks, takes a dump, jams it into tip jar*
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;47859279]I'm just laughing my ass off at this whole thread, and especially this post, just imagining chimps trying to walk around in the city with a briefcase and a tie. "Sir that hot-dog is not free!" *Shreiks, takes a dump, jams it into tip jar*[/QUOTE] I totally agree with this... But in a world where a pet is more important than an unborn child, the amount of "insane" can deliver such a "chimp" freedom reality. Further more, this totally trumps the concept of domestic animals, pets, what-have-you. PETA is gonna have a beer-fest with this one, demanding similar rights for other species of animals. Enjoy eating "rubber/genetically engineered" chickens @ KFC :))))
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