• Granny facing battery charges for slapping her granddaughter, who had been swearing at her
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[QUOTE=David29;21725631]The thing is though, so many people here are saying that smacking your child doesn't work and that telling them off alone is good enough. However, this news article is clearly evidence to the contrary.[/QUOTE] many people? like the doctors who spent their careers researching this?
She said "F- off" to a nun? That nun was probably being a total bitch (not that I would know... >.> <.< ).
[QUOTE=thisispain;21725749]many people? like the doctors who spent their careers researching this?[/QUOTE] Yes, and then we have professionals who say that computer games are bad for children and teenagers. Do you agree with everything they say, as well?
[QUOTE=David29;21725840]Yes, and then we have professionals who say that computer games are bad for children and teenagers. Do you agree with everything they say, as well?[/QUOTE] psychologists are debating the issue of videogames in many journals, however on physical punishment there's no debate: [url]http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/familydevelopment/components/7266a.html[/url]
Facepunch: knows better than scientists, engineers, professors, psychologists, doctors, constitutional scholars, theologists, and I think I remember a debate about safety procedures while operating heavy machinery a while back so workplace health and safety officers as well.
14yr old faces death penalty for stealing classmates' hat
[QUOTE=thisispain;21725903]psychologists are debating the issue of videogames in many journals, however on physical punishment there's no debate: [url]http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/familydevelopment/components/7266a.html[/url][/QUOTE] I pretty much disregarded it when I read: "A year old fell out of an upper story window and was killed. The mother, who was out of the house at the time, was incredulous as well as grief stricken. "I always spanked him for going near the open window,"" since it doesn't relate at all to what I am talking about and shows that you have missed my point entirely. I'm not talking about just hitting a child when he/she does something wrong. What will they learn? Nothing, of course. I'm talking about using it as a final option, after it has been made clear to the child that what they are doing is wrong. If they fail to stop after a clear verbal warning, then they should be taught that there will be a consequence.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;21715745]So what would you have to say to warrant a kick in the balls? What if you say fuck you, twice? Does that mean you can slap them twice or give them a real fist to the face?[/QUOTE] It's a slap, from a grandmother, I'm sure it didn't fucking hurt THAT bad. Do you have no respect for your elders? Little brat (18 years whatever) deserved it.
The grandma shouldn't have slapped her, she should've called the cops. That sort of talk from an adult can constitute as verbal harassment.
[QUOTE=David29;21726177] I'm not talking about just hitting a child when he/she does something wrong. What will they learn? Nothing, of course. I'm talking about using it as a final option, after it has been made clear to the child that what they are doing is wrong. If they fail to stop after a clear verbal warning, then they should be taught that there will be a consequence.[/QUOTE] fine go hit your kids and ignore psychological evidence; i'm glad you don't give a shit about their emotional growth
[QUOTE=Panda X;21718995]A beating of your child straightens them out. Look at the change in people from back then to now.[/QUOTE] Agreed, but the problem is nowadays many parents do take it overboard to child abuse. I've heard of parents beating very young children for criyng, for example. There aren't enough beatings given, and many of the beatings that are given are over-the-top.
[QUOTE=Keegs;21726195] Do you have no respect for your elders? [/QUOTE] No. I don't believe in the seniority rule.
[QUOTE=Keegs;21726195]It's a slap, from a grandmother, I'm sure it didn't fucking hurt THAT bad. Do you have no respect for your elders? Little brat (18 years whatever) deserved it.[/QUOTE] Plus she was 73. The grandmother stepped on the 18-year-old's toe, the 18-year-old smashed her face in.
Boohoo some girl got slapped because she was disrespecting her grand mother. My parents didn't beat me when I was young, but I went over my fathers knee a few times, it worked all the kinks out of me. Now here come the people telling me my parents are failures :buddy:
[QUOTE=thisispain;21726340]fine go hit your kids and ignore psychological evidence; i'm glad you don't give a shit about their emotional growth[/QUOTE] Nice. Ignore [b]everything[/b] I have said previously - including what I said abut that 'evidence' being completely unrelated to what I was talking about. And of course, feel free to ignore the successful upbringing of myself, my sister and many other members of my extended family.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21726356]No. I don't believe in the seniority rule.[/QUOTE] wow somebody belt this kid
[QUOTE=David29;21726511]Nice. Ignore [b]everything[/b] I have said previously - including what I said abut that 'evidence' being completely unrelated to what I was talking about.[/QUOTE] I didn't ignore anything. You just didn't read the article and stopped at the fucking first paragraph. [QUOTE=David29;21726511]And of course, feel free to ignore the successful upbringing of myself, my sister and many other members of my extended family.[/QUOTE] i'm so sorry i didn't consider unverifiable anecdotal evidence to be greater than scientific research [editline]07:05PM[/editline] [QUOTE=abcpea;21726550]wow somebody belt this kid[/QUOTE] Unless you're like 40 you can't really say that and if you are 40 get a life
[QUOTE=thisispain;21726554]I didn't ignore anything. You just didn't read the article and stopped at the [b]fucking[/b] first paragraph.[/QUOTE] Don't make me slap you.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21726554]I didn't ignore anything. You just didn't read the article and stopped at the fucking first paragraph.[/QUOTE] I wonder how many times I will have to explain to you that [b]it wasn't relevant to my point[/b] before you will get it into your head and stop harping on about that article? [QUOTE=thisispain;21726554]i'm so sorry i didn't consider unverifiable anecdotal evidence to be greater than scientific research[/QUOTE] Compare and contrast the word 'evidence' against 'research' and you will see exactly why you should be sorry. Evidence is supportive of fact. Research is speculation of fact.
[QUOTE=David29;21726680]I wonder how many times I will have to explain to you that [b]it wasn't relevant to my point[/b] before you will get it into your head and stop harping on about that article?[/QUOTE] you're talking about hitting a kid, the article talks about hitting a kid [url]http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html[/url] [QUOTE=David29;21726680]Compare and contrast the word 'evidence' against 'research' and you will see exactly why you should be sorry. Evidence is supportive of fact. Research is speculation of fact.[/QUOTE] [quote]Research can be defined as the search for knowledge or any systematic investigation to establish facts.[/quote] don't reinvent the word to suit your argument
I think it works with some kids, it doesn't work for some. My opinion on all of this.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21726744]you're talking about hitting a kid, the article talks about hitting a kid [url]http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html[/url][/QUOTE] Thanks for confirming that you haven't bothered to read my post, then. I shall benefit you by repeating this one last time only: The article talks about hitting kids as a first and only form of punishment. I am talking about hitting kids as a final form when verbal discipline is clearly not working and when it has been made clear to the child that what they are doing is wrong. [QUOTE=thisispain;21726744]don't reinvent the word to suit your argument[/QUOTE] Hardly. Excuse me for not having a dictionary at hand and not getting the definition exact - regardless, my point still stands that evidence outweighs research. Stop trying to avoid the point with petty shots.
[QUOTE=David29;21726906]Thanks for confirming that you haven't bothered to read my post, then. I shall benefit you by repeating this one last time only: The article talks about hitting kids as a first and only form of punishment. I am talking about hitting kids as a final form when verbal discipline is clearly not working and when it has been made clear to the child that what they are doing is wrong.[/QUOTE] here another article: [url]http://www.nospank.net/welsh12.htm[/url] you don't know what you are talking about, you haven't researched the subject at all, and are very arrogant in dismissing scientific research [QUOTE=David29;21726906]Hardly. Excuse me for not having a dictionary at hand and not getting the definition exact - regardless, my point still stands that evidence outweighs research. Stop trying to avoid the point with petty shots.[/QUOTE] [highlight] EVIDENCE IS SUPPORTED BY RESEARCH, DON'T REINVENT THE WORD AND I WON'T EXCUSE YOU FOR BLATANTLY LYING, YOU GET AN F.[/highlight]
[QUOTE=thisispain;21727057]here another article: [url]http://www.nospank.net/welsh12.htm[/url] you don't know what you are talking about, you haven't researched the subject at all, and are very arrogant in dismissing scientific research[/QUOTE] Oh wow, I'm being dismissive by saying that an article doesn't have anything to do with what I am talking about? Christ, what planet are you on? That article is little better. The example given is an extreme case which goes against my idea of discipline - in which the child received inconsistent discipline which started off as very light and he was then subject to a harsh beating. How is that anything like what I have described? You're really not very good at this are you? You just throw articles at me that don't actually deal with the type of discipline I am talking about, and then you criticise me when I point this out. [QUOTE=thisispain;21727057][highlight] EVIDENCE IS SUPPORTED BY RESEARCH, DON'T REINVENT THE WORD AND I WON'T EXCUSE YOU FOR BLATANTLY LYING, YOU GET AN F.[/highlight][/QUOTE] Oh no. You gave me an F. How ever will I live with myself? You're not even making any sense now. So you're saying that the 'research' of these psychologists supports the evidence of my own experience of my upbringing? Right... And I don't need you to excuse me for lying, since I never did that at any point. Anyway. It's late, I am tired and your lack of sense mixed in with your inability to read my posts is getting boring. Good night.
[QUOTE=David29;21727396]Oh wow, I'm being dismissive by saying that an article doesn't have anything to do with what I am talking about? Christ, what planet are you on? That article is little better. The example given is an extreme case which goes against my idea of discipline - in which the child received inconsistent discipline which started off as very light and he was then subject to a harsh beating. How is that anything like what I have described? You're really not very good at this are you? You just throw articles at me that don't actually deal with the type of discipline I am talking about, and then you criticise me when I point this out. Oh no. You gave me an F. How ever will I live with myself? You're not even making any sense now. So you're saying that the 'research' of these psychologists supports the evidence of my own experience of my upbringing? Right... And I don't need you to excuse me for lying, since I never did that at any point. Anyway. It's late, I am tired and your lack of sense mixed in with your inability to read my posts is getting boring. Good night.[/QUOTE] i can read your posts just fine, i've given you evidence of how hitting can be very traumatic, you denied it, i've given you reasoning, you've denied it, i've given you cases on where it actually has happened, you denied it, and then you accuse me of not having read any posts? then you state something like "research isn't as factual as my experiences". your entire argument is not even supported, no articles, no quotes, all you've done is said "nah for me it was not like that'. there has been no argument, you've just prevented any of occurring
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[QUOTE=thisispain;21724241]no it just meant your parents were terrible and only knew fear of pain as a method of parenting[/QUOTE] So my parents are crap at parenting even though they've managed to raise 3 kids, the eldest of which has a child? Sure ok.
[QUOTE=markg06;21734432]So my parents are crap at parenting even though they've managed to raise 3 kids, the eldest of which has a child? Sure ok.[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with anything? Just because you managed to not get your kid killed before adulthood doesn't mean a lot about your parenting skills.
[QUOTE=Johnnsen;21734496]What does that have to do with anything? Just because you managed to not get your kid killed before adulthood doesn't mean a lot about your parenting skills.[/QUOTE] He means that they have been raised to be responsible teenagers/adults. [QUOTE=markg06;21734432]So my parents are crap at parenting even though they've managed to raise 3 kids, the eldest of which has a child? Sure ok.[/QUOTE] This was pretty much the point I was trying to make to thisispain, but apparently my own successful upbringing (in addition to others, such as your own) is irrelevant because it contradicts what has been put forward in 'research', which of course is never wrong.
[QUOTE=markg06;21734432]So my parents are crap at parenting even though they've managed to raise 3 kids, the eldest of which has a child? Sure ok.[/QUOTE] They obviously fucked up somewhere if you think it's okay to hit defenceless children.
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