It's a bit of an oversimplification of a complex man, but there's some truth in it. People aren't born monsters (nor saints).
[QUOTE=Killuah;49790440]You forgot how he blamed a non-specific lung disease for not being able to finish school and how his custodian suggested to to stop living off his pension money and give it to his younger sister and start a paid apprenticeship but he refused.
Or how Hitler left the "single person he could turn to as a friend" by moving out while Kubizek was serving the military without any notice.[/QUOTE]
Whether or not he was actually sick, we don't know. Either he was, or he wasn't. If he was, then that's that; if he wasn't (and personally, I don't believe he was), I'd attribute such a claim to depression and anxiety. Hitler was a notorious hypochondriac throughout his life (hypochondria is a manifestation of anxiety, for the record), fearing in his youth he had syphilis to the point where it rendered him impotent. Later on, he did in fact suffer from a number of illnesses (Parkinson's, a cardiovascular ailment that was leading to the hardening of his arteries, gum disease and teeth infections, likely as well he had drug toxicity from the weird concoctions of medicines he was taking in high doses-- including barbiturates to help him sleep). Beyond that, again, he had obvious depressive tendencies: recurrent patterns of suicidal ideation throughout his life (beginning in his teenage years; he would of course act on these in the end), self-imposed isolation from others (which is exactly what happened when he disappeared and left no forwarding address for Kubizek to contact him), patterns of learned helplessness and rumination, etc.
Also, I have no idea where you heard that about his pension money. Hitler and his younger sister Paula were entitled to a pension of 600 Kronen between them after their mother died, and Josef Mayrhofer (the Mayor of Leonding and Hitler's guardian) decided it should be split an even 300 a piece. Hitler kept his part of the pension (which he would be allowed under the law at the time to receive until he was 24 or found a profession) but surrendered part of his total inheritance to his older half-sister Angela Raubal because she and her husband had agreed to take Paula into their care and raise her. Mayrhofer actually gave Hitler a letter of recommendation after this to help him upon his return to Vienna (Linz was his actual home at the time, of course, and this is where he'd been when he was taking care of his mother), which was a big deal because in 19th century Viennese society, nobody got anywhere unless they knew somebody and had recommendations to back themselves up with. He referred to Hitler as, "a nice, steadygoing . . . serious and ambitious young man . . . mature and sensible beyond his years". He wasn't angry with his artistic ambitions or anything.
And again with his abandonment of Kubizek, there's more to it than him just deciding to run off. A split in their relationship had been coming for a while, not only on account of Hitler's personality but also because Kubizek was moving forward with his life while Hitler was not. He had completed his studies at the Vienna Conservatory in music, and he was due to be called up for military service in the Austro-Hungarian Army. Hitler kept in touch with him up until he went off to the army, sending him postcards and letters. From Kubizek's book, here's one of the last letters he received on August 17, 1908 (Hitler left their previously shared apartment in Vienna shortly afterwards):
[quote]Good Friend,
First I must ask you to forgive me for not having written for so long. This had its own good – or rather bad – reasons; I didn't know what I could find to tell you. That I am writing you now only shows how long I had to search before I could collect together a little news. First, our land-lady, Zakreys, thanks you for the money. And secondly, I want to thank you heartily for your letter. Probably Frau Zakreys finds writing letters difficult (her German is so bad) but she has asked me to thank you and your esteemed parents for the money. I have just got over a sharp attack of bronchial catarrh. It seems that your Musician's Union is facing a crisis. Who actually published the newspaper that I sent you last time? I had already paid the money long since. Do you know anything more about it? We're having nice fine weather now; it's pouring rain. And this year, with the baking heat we've had, that's really a blessing from heaven. But I shall only be able to enjoy it for a little while now. Probably Saturday or Sunday I shall have to leave. Shall let you know exactly.
Am writing quite a lot lately, mostly afternoons and evenings, Have you read the latest decision of the Council with regard to the new theatre? It seems to me they intend to patch up the old junk heap once more. It can't go on like this any longer, because they won't get the permission from the authorities. In any case, the whole claptrap of these highly respected and all-powerful people shows that they understand about as much about building a theatre as a hippopotamus does of playing the violin. If my architect's manual didn't look so shabby, I would like to pack it up and send it to them with the following address: Theatre – Rebuilding – Society – Committee – for – the – Execution – of – the – Project – for – the – Rebuilding – of – the – Theatre. To the local, highly well-born, most strict and archlaudable committee for the eventual construction and required decoration!
And with this I close. With kindest regards to you and your esteemed parents, I remain, your friend, ADOLF HITLER [/quote]
Why he left as he did, I don't know. Kubizek was just as perplexed, and when he met with Hitler again years later after the Anschluss, he never received any answers. Hitler had actually written briefly to him again before the Anschluss after he'd been made chancellor in 1933, but again, no answers. He paid his share of the rent before he left. While I can't say for certain what led to this abrupt decision of Hitler's, it might have had something to do with his depression. This is a hallmark trait in patients who have depression; they pull away from loved ones and friends. Which is exactly what Hitler did when he consigned himself to the life of a tramp in Vienna (and later Munich) after up and leaving on Kubizek.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49790440]Poor Hilter. Why are we not understanding him? Show some care people.[/QUOTE]
Fabulous job at missing my point completely. It wouldn't matter to me if it was Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Gaddafi, or bin Laden (or somebody else... hell, it could be Abraham Lincoln or Theodore Roosevelt) we were talking about here. Study these people and learn to understand them. Nothing more. It's important for a variety of reasons; not only because it gives you a unique insight into history on a very personal level, but because it also enables you to understand people (at their best, in the case of someone like Lincoln or Roosevelt, and at their worst, in the case of someone like Hitler or Stalin) better (living and dead).
i still stand by the micropenis being the sole driving force for the Holocaust
[QUOTE=Govna;49790722]Whether or not he was actually sick, we don't know. Either he was, or he wasn't. If he was, then that's that; if he wasn't (and personally, I don't believe he was), I'd attribute such a claim to depression and anxiety. Hitler was a notorious hypochondriac throughout his life (hypochondria is a manifestation of anxiety, for the record), fearing in his youth he had syphilis to the point where it rendered him impotent. Later on, he did in fact suffer from a number of illnesses (Parkinson's, a cardiovascular ailment that was leading to the hardening of his arteries, gum disease and teeth infections, likely as well he had drug toxicity from the weird concoctions of medicines he was taking in high doses-- including barbiturates to help him sleep). Beyond that, again, he had obvious depressive tendencies: recurrent patterns of suicidal ideation throughout his life (beginning in his teenage years; he would of course act on these in the end), self-imposed isolation from others (which is exactly what happened when he disappeared and left no forwarding address for Kubizek to contact him), patterns of learned helplessness and rumination, etc.
Also, I have no idea where you heard that about his pension money. Hitler and his younger sister Paula were entitled to a pension of 600 Kronen between them after their mother died, and Josef Mayrhofer (the Mayor of Leonding and Hitler's guardian) decided it should be split an even 300 a piece. Hitler kept his part of the pension (which he would be allowed under the law at the time to receive until he was 24 or found a profession) but surrendered part of his total inheritance to his older half-sister Angela Raubal because she and her husband had agreed to take Paula into their care and raise her. Mayrhofer actually gave Hitler a letter of recommendation after this to help him upon his return to Vienna (Linz was his actual home at the time, of course, and this is where he'd been when he was taking care of his mother), which was a big deal because in 19th century Viennese society, nobody got anywhere unless they knew somebody and had recommendations to back themselves up with. He referred to Hitler as, "a nice, steadygoing . . . serious and ambitious young man . . . mature and sensible beyond his years". He wasn't angry with his artistic ambitions or anything.
And again with his abandonment of Kubizek, there's more to it than him just deciding to run off. A split in their relationship had been coming for a while, not only on account of Hitler's personality but also because Kubizek was moving forward with his life while Hitler was not. He had completed his studies at the Vienna Conservatory in music, and he was due to be called up for military service in the Austro-Hungarian Army. Hitler kept in touch with him up until he went off to the army, sending him postcards and letters. From Kubizek's book, here's one of the last letters he received on August 17, 1908 (Hitler left their previously shared apartment in Vienna shortly afterwards):
Why he left as he did, I don't know. Kubizek was just as perplexed, and when he met with Hitler again years later after the Anschluss, he never received any answers. Hitler had actually written briefly to him again before the Anschluss after he'd been made chancellor in 1933, but again, no answers. He paid his share of the rent before he left. While I can't say for certain what led to this abrupt decision of Hitler's, it might have had something to do with his depression. This is a hallmark trait in patients who have depression; they pull away from loved ones and friends. Which is exactly what Hitler did when he consigned himself to the life of a tramp in Vienna (and later Munich) after up and leaving on Kubizek.
Fabulous job at missing my point completely. It wouldn't matter to me if it was Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, Gaddafi, or bin Laden (or somebody else... hell, it could be Abraham Lincoln or Theodore Roosevelt) we were talking about here. Study these people and learn to understand them. Nothing more. It's important for a variety of reasons; not only because it gives you a unique insight into history on a very personal level, but because it also enables you to understand people (at their best, in the case of someone like Lincoln or Roosevelt, and at their worst, in the case of someone like Hitler or Stalin) better (living and dead).[/QUOTE]
I want to thank you for dumping all this info because honestly I would have never looked it up at all. It's very interesting to see the circumstances that lead to Hitler's regime, from both an economic, sociological and historic perspective but I find that historians don't often take psychology into account. With Hitler, Stalin, and all of the other world's terrible human beings, we assume they were just bad people, but people are the sum of their genetics, upbringing and their environment, and to ignore or downplay the context of the person we don't learn how to prevent such a terrible atrocity from ever happening again, on the macro level like the Holocaust but also on the micro, like homicides, school shootings, and domestic/foreign terrorism.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49789119][img]http://i.imgur.com/IAH0A.jpg[/img]
That's why he was not naked.[/QUOTE]
I have a sudden urge to invade Poland.
[QUOTE=proch;49787168]Maybe the Sun is still pissed at the ass kicking the UK got during WWII[/QUOTE]
Thats rich, coming from someone with a small poland flag below their picture. If it wasn't for France you would likely be at the top of the list.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49787347]eh the dude killed 7 million people[/QUOTE]
you're right
I bet the reason that xerxes killed all those people was because he was one of those filthy blacks
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49787022]Never became a father[/QUOTE]
Well, They never actually confirm that it was his body because males don't have female skulls and they think he may of had children in South America after the war.
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