• Squatters leave house once occupied by soverign citizen; Owner of house afraid of repair costs
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[QUOTE=The golden;42339374]Then the local government should inquire about what the land owner is doing and what they intend to do with the land.[/QUOTE] why should the government do that it's my land i can wall it off and let it rot as much as i want!!!
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42339368]idk i think the people out in the cold are totally allowed to say that abandonment is not proper utilization of property. but that's just me, a rational compassionate person.[/QUOTE] please stop posting. putting yourself on a high horse then insulting others who don't share the same view isn't exactly...'rational'
did you guys even bother reading the article? the owner of the [b]apartment complex[/b] rented out one of the apartments to the guy and he changed the locks, refused to pay rent, and let a bunch of squatters live there for free.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;42339382]Ownership of property has been a foundation of society since before the Romans We are never going to get rid of that concept due to how deeply ingrained it is in both our psyche and our culture.[/QUOTE] Ownership of slaves has been a foundation of society since before the Romans We are never going to get rid of slaves due to how deeply ingrained it is in both our psyche and our culture
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42339085]legally it is. morally and logically it isn't.[/QUOTE] I want to know what sort of upside down world you live in where logically if you pay for your land and the associated taxes it's still somehow not your land.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42339368]idk i think the people out in the cold are totally allowed to say that abandonment is not proper utilization of property. but that's just me, a rational compassionate person.[/QUOTE] lol proper utilization of property. If we used your definition then we should all live in tenements so everyone has space to live. [editline]28th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=DaysBefore;42339397]Ownership of slaves has been a foundation of society since before the Romans We are never going to get rid of slaves due to how deeply ingrained it is in both our psyche and our culture[/QUOTE] Ownership of slaves is a simply a part of property ownership that we abolished. Land ownership would be impossible to remove from our society without us completely restructuring it.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42339383]why should the government do that it's my land i can wall it off and let it rot as much as i want!!![/QUOTE] Hey, you're not using your car right now, right? Thing is, I need a car quickly. And seeing as you're not using it... I thought I could just take it. We're cool though, right? Thanks :)
[QUOTE=SuperLoz;42339524]Hey, you're not using your car right now, right? Thing is, I need a car quickly. And seeing as you're not using it... I thought I could just take it. We're cool though, right? Thanks :)[/QUOTE] If he was not using that car for a period of several months or years your dumb joke would be one epic zinger, but you've completely missed his point
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42339368] but that's just me, a rational person.[/QUOTE] keep telling yourself that
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42339541]If he was not using that car for a period of several months or years your dumb joke would be one epic zinger, but you've completely missed his point[/QUOTE] Not really, because deciding whether property is "appropriately utilized" or whatever seems incredibly subjective, so if the car sits for ten minutes, that's ten whole minutes of improper utilization, which I deem worthy of social justice.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;42339115]how would you like it if one day after a hard day at middle school you came home and found that there were a bunch of squatters in your house that changed the locks and said "this is our house now"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SuperLoz;42339524]Hey, you're not using your car right now, right? Thing is, I need a car quickly. And seeing as you're not using it... I thought I could just take it. We're cool though, right? Thanks :)[/QUOTE] Not that I agree with yawnmen, but that's a strawman. Come on Facepunch, logical fallacies aren't just for debating creationists.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42339541]If he was not using that car for a period of several months or years your dumb joke would be one epic zinger, but you've completely missed his point[/QUOTE] Exactly how long a period of time is to be judged as "not utilizing it"? What if I own a dilapidated property for a couple years, but that whole time I was saving money to improve it?
[QUOTE=Bentham;42339556]Not really, because deciding whether property is "appropriately utilized" or whatever seems incredibly subjective, so if the car sits for ten minutes, that's ten whole minutes of improper utilization, which I deem worthy of social justice.[/QUOTE] Not a single mutalist considers taking someone's house after they left for the store for ten minutes anything but an absolutely ridiculous scenario. If you are not interested in actual debate, and just want your prejudices to be repeated back to you by ratings on an internet forum, just don't post.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;42339583]Not a single mutalist considers taking someone's house after they left for the store for ten minutes anything but an absolutely ridiculous scenario.[/QUOTE] I'm only making a point about how determining what proper utilization is really is completely subjective. It's not up to some random person on the street to decide if someone's property is being properly used. [editline]28th September 2013[/editline] I don't know why you took what I said at face value anyway, obviously it's an exaggerated scenario. [editline]28th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Eudoxia;42339583]Not a single mutalist considers taking someone's house after they left for the store for ten minutes anything but an absolutely ridiculous scenario. If you are not interested in actual debate, and just want your prejudices to be repeated back to you by ratings on an internet forum, just don't post.[/QUOTE] What ratings are we talking about, and what does that have to do with the discussion at hand? I've been making legitimate points, referring to the ratings system as some kind of fuel for my input is not making a point at all.
I agree that mis-use of land i.e. abandonment should be punished and the land be utilized better. However, squatters just as commonly mis-use the structures they take over as the tenants. I wouldn't mind if squatting on someone's property forced the owner by law to open a dialogue with the squatter on utilising the abode like renting it or agreeing to pay for any damage they cause while they stay there, though I don't know how well such a contract would be kept by the squatters. I think taxing owners not just a straight fee for owning a second home say but having the payment scale for how long it's not been used would be a interesting way to solve the problem.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;42339409]lol proper utilization of property. If we used your definition then we should all live in tenements so everyone has space to live. [/QUOTE] we all do have space to live currently, some people just take that space from other people. [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] (through property "rights")
I guess it's time to adblock this thread I'm not in the mood to argue this particular topic. Jesus Christ. I mean yeah if it's been a quiet building for years who cares. But, actually, screw it, not even going to bother. I've learned it's best not to argue religion and politics, and stuff like this. So I'll just stay the fuck out of it. I don't see anything coming out of this topic.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42339775]we all do have space to live currently, some people just take that space from other people. [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] (through property "rights")[/QUOTE] You ought to know, property rights is what's stopping someone from breaking down your door and throwing you out for no reason.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42339806]You ought to know, property rights is what's stopping someone from breaking down your door and throwing you out for no reason.[/QUOTE] lol no it's not. if you think property rights stops burglary or forced relocation you are probably the type of person who thinks that murder laws are the reason people don't go around murdering. [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] or that without the bible we would all be raping each other
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42339820]lol no it's not. if you think property rights stops burglary or forced relocation you are probably the type of person who thinks that murder laws are the reason people don't go around murdering. [editline]29th September 2013[/editline] or that without the bible we would all be raping each other[/QUOTE] So legal consequences don't stop anything?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42339383]why should the government do that it's my land i can wall it off and let it rot as much as i want!!![/QUOTE] Individuals have an incentive to use their land.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42339085]legally it is. morally and logically it isn't.[/QUOTE] By your personal morals and logic, which are anything but universal truths. And if everyone's personal morals were held above the law, we'd be swimming in blood.
I hope the SC gets no help from the law. Fucker thinks it doesnt apply to him, so why should they help him.
[QUOTE=Harnbrand;42340020]By your personal morals and logic, which are anything but universal truths. And if everyone's personal morals were held above the law, we'd be swimming in blood.[/QUOTE] I'm starting to think yawmwen is a sovereign citizen :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42340142]I'm starting to think yawmwen is a sovereign citizen :v:[/QUOTE]I think that may be more than likely.
itt: people who don't understand the concept of property, and the distinctions between private and personal property.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42340142]I'm starting to think yawmwen is a sovereign citizen :v:[/QUOTE] sovereign citizens believe heavily in private property because they are pseudo-anarchists and pseudo-libertarians. i'm a anarchist/libertarian socialist
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42340142]I'm starting to think yawmwen is a sovereign citizen :v:[/QUOTE] Anarchist/Libertarian, from what I've heard.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42340373]sovereign citizens believe heavily in private property because they are pseudo-anarchists and pseudo-libertarians. i'm a anarchist/libertarian socialist[/QUOTE] Because the sovereign citizen in this tale surely respected the private property of the owner :v:
yawmwen was the squatter???
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