Donald Trump praises Saddam Hussein's ability to commit crimes against humanity - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50680291]Oh my god. Are you seriously suggesting that Trump is polling terribly on purpose to be 'unpredictable'? What benefit would that provide? What reason would he have for doing it? He isn't some magic candidate that doesn't have to follow the rules, if he doesn't get enough votes, that's it, he's lost, and right now, that's what all the evidence is suggesting will happen.[/QUOTE] Orgornot has the political understanding of a twelve-year-old. He doesn't support political candidates because they align with his views, he aligns his views to match those of the political candidate he supports. It's religious fanaticism that ignores all evidence. He tried to argue in another thread that Trump was pro-free-trade despite not understanding how tariffs are the opposite of free trade. He supports Trump before he does his research, and he rationalizes to have it make sense.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50680319]Orgornot has the political understanding of a twelve-year-old. He doesn't support political candidates because they align with his views, he aligns his views to match those of the political candidate he supports. It's religious fanaticism that ignores all evidence. He tried to argue in another thread that Trump was pro-free-trade despite not understanding how tariffs are the opposite of free trade. He supports Trump before he does his research, and he rationalizes to have it make sense.[/QUOTE] Well I'm not running for President. You do see a lot of Clinton supporters who support her despite the mountains of scandals and bad judgement (often times, malicious) that she has exhibited. I'd say that is fanaticism. Time and time again Clinton supporters resort to attacking my (and others') character (as if I'm the one running for office). This just shows that you have failed at attacking the ideas since the messenger should be irrelevant.

This guy pretty much had the Presidency delivered to him on a silver platter and all he had to do was be a sensible and well spoken candidate. I feel like he beat out every Republican candidate that would have beaten Hillary rather easily come October, but this guy is gonna struggle to keep himself in the 2 point distance and will struggle even more defending the things he has said during the debates, which if 2012 is anything to go by they had a pretty strong left leaning. (Candy Crowley) Though in his defense he only got to this place now because of his antics.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50680688]Well I'm not running for President. You do see a lot of Clinton supporters who support her despite the mountains of scandals and bad judgement (often times, malicious) that she has exhibited. I'd say that is fanaticism. Time and time again Clinton supporters resort to attacking my (and others') character (as if I'm the one running for office). This just shows that you have failed at attacking the ideas since the messenger should be irrelevant.[/QUOTE] You've been consistently rebuked on the points that actually lie within the boundaries of objectivity, but those opportunities are few and far between because you generally just parrot whatever Trump says which is just feel-good bullshit with no details or substantive plans to achieve the goals he sets forth, ostensibly the ones that are in my best interest. Or, as you do here, you attack Clinton and her supporters (which Isak isn't and has said this multiple times), because defending Trump is actually, generally pretty difficult as he gives you little to work with. [editline]9th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Charades;50680720]This guy pretty much had the Presidency delivered to him on a silver platter and all he had to do was be a sensible and well spoken candidate. I feel like he beat out every Republican candidate that would have beaten Hillary rather easily come October, but this guy is gonna struggle to keep himself in the 2 point distance and will struggle even more defending the things he has said during the debates, which if 2012 is anything to go by they had a pretty strong left leaning. (Candy Crowley) Though in his defense he only got to this place now because of his antics.[/QUOTE] Kasich is the only Republican who consistently beat Clinton in general election polls. He had an 11% lead at one point.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50679952]You know that was him trying to get attention in a huge crowd of Republicans at the time right? You're barely hearing it these days.[/QUOTE] Yeah, ol' straight-talkin', speaks-his-mind, not-a-politician Trump was merely saying something he didn't belive so people would vote for him!

[QUOTE=orgornot;50680688]Well I'm not running for President. You do see a lot of Clinton supporters who support her despite the mountains of scandals and bad judgement (often times, malicious) that she has exhibited. I'd say that is fanaticism. Time and time again Clinton supporters resort to attacking my (and others') character (as if I'm the one running for office). This just shows that you have failed at attacking the ideas since the messenger should be irrelevant.[/QUOTE] we never said that there are idiotic clinton supporters who contradict themselves. Heck, I supported bernie and I saw quite a few of his supporters also being completely clueless on how reality works. However, your post simply dodged the point .Isak made by bringing up irrelevant information. Riddle me this. Is there anything that you believe trump has done wrong? or is he ~le perfect~ president?

I'm not a Clinton supporter, heck I'm not even an American, if I could vote I'd vote Sanders any day of the week, but between Clinton and Trump, he wouldn't have a chance.

[QUOTE=orgornot;50679777]I'd wait until at least after the conventions when the real campaigning begins.[/QUOTE] Why? Is he unsure that he'll get the nomination still?

Why even bother with terrorism, there are so many things that cause more deaths. Like for example, crazy gunman doing mass shootings that seemingly happen every other week. Or the state of healthcare, that drives people to poverty or death. Suicides among vets, health issues because of harmful lifestyle etc. you name it. Why does this hard-on for terrorism keep persisting? From that one time 2 planes flew into skyscrapers 15 fucking years ago?

[QUOTE=Coolboy;50689145]Why even bother with terrorism, there are so many things that cause more deaths. Like for example, crazy gunman doing mass shootings that seemingly happen every other week. Or the state of healthcare, that drives people to poverty or death. Suicides among vets, health issues because of harmful lifestyle etc. you name it. Why does this hard-on for terrorism keep persisting? From that one time 2 planes flew into skyscrapers 15 fucking years ago?[/QUOTE] Because fear of violence outweighs fear of being poor, getting sick, or suicide of others despite those things happening more often. And that fear will turn into hatred against "them" (who is whatever group you're not in) and if you have a candidate campaigning to "stop them", that's the one to vote for.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50679476]He hasn't passed her in the polls once. [url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html[/url] I'm not a fan of Clinton, but so far it's looking like a pretty clear path to victory for her. Compare that to 538's predictions, and the numbers just aren't on Trump's side.[/QUOTE] I could be wrong but i see hillary tanking the first clear debate she comes up to trum... she isnt ready for his debate style and trump cant bring a big enough paper blanket to write all the hits possible on her...

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50690741]I could be wrong but i see hillary tanking the first clear debate she comes up to trum... she isnt ready for his debate style and trump cant bring a big enough paper blanket to write all the hits possible on her...[/QUOTE] He doesn't have a debate style. He has foaming at the mouth spurting the angry language of a 3rd grader.

[QUOTE=Zyler;50661882]Well he's praising his ability to kill terrorists. Which means he is praising the barbaric and inhumane methods he used to kill terrorists. [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] "Ice Cream is great, but I don't think Ice Cream is good." "Saddam's methods of killing terrorists was great, but I don't think Saddam's methods of killing terrorists is a good idea."[/QUOTE] More like "Saddam's methods used to kill terrorists were extremely effective, but I dont think it's the right way to do it.". Sometimes I wonder if trump just dumbs down a lot of what he says for the average joe to understand and to have an emotional impact with a lot of his audience.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright] Sometimes I wonder if trump just dumbs down a lot of what he says for the average joe to understand and to have an emotional impact with a lot of his audience.[/QUOTE] Or maybe he actually is a dumbass who basically inherited his status and empire from his dad and has no clue how foreign policy or counter terrorism work.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50690741]I could be wrong but i see hillary tanking the first clear debate she comes up to trum... she isnt ready for his debate style and trump cant bring a big enough paper blanket to write all the hits possible on her...[/QUOTE] Trump's style appeals strongly to his current supporters but he'll have a hard time winning over people who he hasn't already won over. He just babbles and repeats himself. "I'm good at words, I know the best words" Hillary is awful but at least she speaks fluent english - even if her speeches are written by some think tank

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50690797]He doesn't have a debate style. He has foaming at the mouth spurting the angry language of a 3rd grader.[/QUOTE] I disagree heavily, during the GOP debates he always managed to take every opponent he had into near mental breakdown. Jeb Bush was a prime example.

[QUOTE=Psyke89;50695474]I disagree heavily, during the GOP debates he always managed to take every opponent he had into near mental breakdown. Jeb Bush was a prime example.[/QUOTE] Which of course makes lying and objectively bad policies great character traits

[QUOTE=Psyke89;50695474]I disagree heavily, during the GOP debates he always managed to take every opponent he had into near mental breakdown. Jeb Bush was a prime example.[/QUOTE] Oh sorry, I forgot debates were all about defeating your opponent personally and not his policies, beliefs and ideology.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50690797]He doesn't have a debate style. He has foaming at the mouth spurting the angry language of a 3rd grader.[/QUOTE] Hahaha, lets see at the debates how wrong you are. Trump is an idiot and probably the worst presidential candidate if not for hillary but the man is an expert debater. He plays foul and dirty perhaps but has gotten veteran politicians to almost break down and cry on stage... just look at jeb bush, he had tears in his eyes. Its the only reason he got so far tbh. [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50695901]Oh sorry, I forgot debates were all about defeating your opponent personally and not his policies, beliefs and ideology.[/QUOTE] Being a good debater does not mean you are right or that you only played above the board.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50695901]Oh sorry, I forgot debates were all about defeating your opponent personally and not his policies, beliefs and ideology.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, if your opponent looks like a stuttering idiot by the end of the debate and can't even string a cohesive sentence that takes a huge dent in their image. I'm not saying Trump is great, or that his style is a positive one, but it works. I mean, you can just look at Jeb Bush, Rubio and Cruz GOP polls after the debates. [QUOTE=EcksDee;50695546]Which of course makes lying and objectively bad policies great character traits[/QUOTE] I never said that, don't put words in my mouth, just to attempt an ~~epic zinger~~.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50695428]Trump's style appeals strongly to his current supporters but he'll have a hard time winning over people who he hasn't already won over. He just babbles and repeats himself. "I'm good at words, I know the best words" Hillary is awful but at least she speaks fluent english - even if her speeches are written by some think tank[/QUOTE] I bet hillary will distance people more with her fluent english then trump will make people think they know what he means through his verbal diarrhoea If the words of a 4 year old get you to win the presidency, then yes, he does have the best words and he will win. [editline]12th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=EcksDee;50695546]Which of course makes lying and objectively bad policies great character traits[/QUOTE] Zimbabwe... excellent words good sir, you beat the argument with totally irrelevant verbal diarrhoea. Trump would be proud.

The reason Trump is a "good debater" to you guys is because he turns it into a clown show instead of a debate. Constantly grabbing everyone's attention away from others is not debating, it's narcissism. The reason his opponents stumbled at responses isn't because he was great at debating, it's because they had no idea how to react to someone throwing shit around instead of actually participating in the event.

How can someone who keeps winning debates, even with a dirty low blow style, not be good in debates?

He only "wins" if you're stupid and can't see through his rhetoric and realise that he's not actually saying anything of substance.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50696059]He only "wins" if you're stupid and can't see through his rhetoric and realise that he's not actually saying anything of substance.[/QUOTE] Hum-hum, so I take it he is off the GOP race because he never won any debates, right?

[QUOTE=Psyke89;50696091]Hum-hum, so I take it he is off the GOP race because he never won any debates, right?[/QUOTE] Are we talking about ethics and being right or populism. Indeed he wins in populism, since his followers ase idiots, they don't care about what the truth is, only that it's said in an emotionally pleasing way. In that case yeah he has won debates If you wanna talk about like facts and evidence tho, he loses on most of his retarded policies and the way he substantively talks about them. Bassically you wanna say you have a bigger dick than jeb Bush or actually argue points

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50695964]The reason Trump is a "good debater" to you guys is because he turns it into a clown show instead of a debate. Constantly grabbing everyone's attention away from others is not debating, it's narcissism. The reason his opponents stumbled at responses isn't because he was great at debating, it's because they had no idea how to react to someone throwing shit around instead of actually participating in the event.[/QUOTE] and thus they lost and trump won and thus trump is a good debater. I fail to see how this is something hard to understand... If an army wins battle after battle versus the most battle hardened disciplined militaries by constantly rioting and plundering, would you say the army is bad? no, you would say they found a way to out preform their opponents. Trump out preforms his opponents in debates by what some people call 'acting like a child' who cares how he does it? he can reliably do it over and over, and Hillary is particularly vulnerable to it for the same reason jeb bush was. They have no penash, no flair or witty mouth to counter it. Hillary is as good as dead if trump can coast onwards and hang in there to the debates... and hillary does not step up her game/implements some game changer id bet my pinkie on that

No, you want to have more votes than Jeb Bush, so populism isn't one aspect, it's the whole point of it. If you get more votes you win, if you get less votes you lose. You can spin it around ethics and substance, but at the end the President is going to be the one with the most votes. And if the GOP debates have proven something is that he is extremely good at taking steam from his opposition campaigns. I don't think Trump will be a good president and if I were in the US I would never vote for the guy, but ffs the GOP debates directly match the spike he had on the polls to say he's terrible at them, no matter what is his style on them, is just pure denial.

[QUOTE=Psyke89;50696091]Hum-hum, so I take it he is off the GOP race because he never won any debates, right?[/QUOTE] You seem to be operating under the assumption that voters are intelligent, rational beings that can't be swayed by populist rhetoric.

Remember kids if you're the loudest person in a debate that makes you the best.