Quarter of young British people 'do not trust Muslims' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;42302654]1000 people from where though, 10 from each county? 1 from each town?[/QUOTE] Come one man, with your logic almost no poll ever would be good enough for you

If you read through the survey the most intolerant groups are actually black british and gays+lesbian/LGB. Both hold distrust of muslims, LGB has the highest rate of distrust towards every religious and immigrant group. LGB has a unusual negative opinion on the disabled and mixed race persons. The typical chinese and black british EDL members must have answered the question of if asians make britain look bad.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;42302492]Not to say inaction is conspiracy. But your culture is being hijacked, and its not going to go away on its own.[/QUOTE] Uhh my family is Sufi Islam and come from Turkey and live as the rest of the English whereas most other muslims here are Sunni or Shia from south asia and the arab world, muslims aren't a homogeneous culture, we just happen to share the same faith and thanks to some salafist hate-preaching dickheads and fear-pumping media we're inadvertently stuck in the same boat to people who don't know better From what I know it's like asking your sweet old granny who just goes to methodist church every sunday for tea and biscuits to do something about the Westboro Baptist Klan meeting next door, how the hell do we go about it? Pretty much everytime I can remember some normal muslims uniting and speaking against extremists or an imam trying to set things straight (both at risk of violent retribution) being reported it's been merely brushed off by a lot of people going along the lines of "ha ha those [I]muslims [/I]again, saying they're not all the [I]same[/I], we'll see", and it's pretty fucking frustrating Sorry if I sound on edge a bit I just flew a longass way back from Japan so yknow

[QUOTE=Hellduck;42302653]thats funny I was thinking the same thing about you[/QUOTE] yeah because I don't support the systematic rape and oppression of every single woman living in the middle east. solid logic.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42302815]yeah because I don't support the systematic rape and oppression of every single woman living in the middle east. solid logic.[/QUOTE] [I]every single woman?[/I]

looks like that 25% bleeds easily onto facepunch what a surprise.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;42300054]honestly i'm surprised it's that low in percentage with the shit i see people spewing it's like people think racism is bad, unless it's against "muslims" then it's not bad or even racism at all[/QUOTE] It's not racism because it's a religion. There are Caucasian Muslims and Middle Eastern atheists. To say that all people and only those people from the Middle East are Muslims would be racism. It is, however, discrimination. You cannot determine whether someone can be trusted solely based on the knowledge whether they're Muslim or not.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;42302841][I]every single woman?[/I][/QUOTE] excluding like 5 of them who somehow managed to be independent in a part of the world where you need a man's permission to work and were lucky enough to walk around without a burka and avoid being raped.

[QUOTE=The mouse;42302609]You misunderstand the problem. The majority of people who don't trust Muslims aren't Racists or Ultranationalists, just some of them, the majority of people just haven't been around them and only hear what the media and what other people tell them. There isn't something wrong with these people, they just don't understand Muslims and so they don't trust them. It's a massive generalisation to say that just because someone doesn't trust Muslims for what ever reason then they're automatically a racist. That doesn't help nor tackle the problem at hand. While Most Muslims haven't directly done anything wrong, some of them don't try to integrate because naturally they'd rather be with their own kind, the problem is that this leads to separate communities which leads to friction between them and local communities which creates an atmosphere of mutual mistrust. There really is no-one to blame here, It's just the consequence of a bad situation.[/QUOTE] if they're so easily willing to believe that Muslims are the source of the country's problems or whatever just because the news or some other idiots told them so, i'd say that yes, there is something wrong with them. you learn about Islam and shit in reception-level RE, there is no excuse for being that gullible

[QUOTE=FPtje;42302873]It's not racism because it's a religion. There are Caucasian Muslims and Middle Eastern atheists. To say that all people and only those people from the Middle East are Muslims would be racism.[/QUOTE] That is part of the issue in this country though. "Paki" and Muslim and Indian etc etc are seen as interchangable. Many idiots do not look past skin colour. I have an Afro-Carribean friend who is a Muslim and an Indian-British friend who is a Sikh. Who do you think is thought of as a Muslim in the eyes of the uninformed?

[QUOTE=FPtje;42302873]It's not racism because it's a religion. There are Caucasian Muslims and Middle Eastern atheists. To say that all people and only those people from the Middle East are Muslims would be racism.[/QUOTE] the guys who join the EDL don't know that though. keep in mind that these are the same type of guys who call newsagents "Paki-Shops"

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;42302286]Why would I put my faith in a foreigner who I can barely understand and is probably only here for the benefits he receives or because he can't abide by the rules in his own country so he got kicked out and came here instead, for the benefits he receives. I'm not going to trust anyone like that[/QUOTE] And now we see a perfect example of that 25%.

[QUOTE=Cone;42302919]the guys who join the EDL don't know that though. keep in mind that these are the same type of guys who call newsagents "Paki-Shops"[/QUOTE] Would that be everyone in the 25% though? I myself am careful with trusting Muslims. Just like the Bible, the Koran contains crazy shit, Sharia Law being one of them. Just like Christianity, someone who believes in it can be anywhere between a moderate believer and a complete nutter. I've worked with Muslims in the past, and it went great. One of my coworkers at my old job in a supermarket was a moderate Muslim. We had friendly discussions about it every once in a while. He was a nice guy. On the other hand, I know an Egyptian Muslim who posted pictures of Bin Laden on Facebook saying all Western people who insult Islam should die a horrible death etc. until I removed him. He was fucking mental, and it was his religion. You have to judge people individually. You cannot see radicalism from skin color.

[QUOTE=FPtje;42302873]It's not racism because it's a religion. There are Caucasian Muslims and Middle Eastern atheists. To say that all people and only those people from the Middle East are Muslims would be racism.[/QUOTE] False. You're using [I]Racism[/I] in the 18th century anthropological way which doesn't really exist today.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;42301732]Stalin maybe not destroy and maybe not war but definitely persecution and genocide[/QUOTE] He only did that since he p much wanted to have absolute power and replace the image of god from people to himself, not because of his personal vendetta.

[QUOTE=Cone;42302904]if they're so easily willing to believe that Muslims are the source of the country's problems or whatever just because the news or some other idiots told them so, i'd say that yes, there is something wrong with them. you learn about Islam and shit in reception-level RE [/QUOTE] If you've rarely seen/never seen something you're inclined to believe what people tell you about it because you have no personal experience, just because these people mistrust Muslims based on what they've heard doesn't mean they're idiots, it still falls within the lack of integration and ignorance on the subject. The problem with that is that RE classes doesn't teach understanding, merely the facts of the religion because understanding is learned through personal experience, also I doubt most people are going to remember exactly what they were taught in RE classes especially in the Reception level ones.

[QUOTE=FPtje;42303031]Would that be everyone in the 25% though? I myself am careful with trusting Muslims. Just like the Bible, the Koran contains crazy shit, Sharia Law being one of them. Just like Christianity, someone who believes in it can be anywhere between a moderate believer and a complete nutter. I've worked with Muslims in the past, and it went great. One of my coworkers at my old job in a supermarket was a moderate Muslim. We had friendly discussions about it every once in a while. He was a nice guy. On the other hand, I know an Egyptian Muslim who posted pictures of Bin Laden on Facebook saying all Western people who insult Islam should die a horrible death etc. until I removed him. He was fucking mental, and it was his religion. You have to judge people individually. You cannot see radicalism from skin color.[/QUOTE] This is why i don't really like this article or the survey. Islamic extremists are all over the news constantly doing bad things so i totally understand that people may find it hard to trust someone who follows the same religion as them, just not as fanatically. At the same time, i know strict Muslims who're nice people and hate the extremists for being hypocrites and giving the religion as a whole a bad name.

[QUOTE=The mouse;42303078]If you've rarely seen/never seen something you're inclined to believe what people tell you about it because you have no personal experience, just because these people mistrust Muslims based on what they've heard doesn't mean they're idiots, it still falls within the lack of integration and ignorance on the subject. The problem with that is that RE classes doesn't teach understanding, merely the facts of the religion because understanding is learned through personal experience, also I doubt most people are going to remember exactly what they were taught in RE classes especially in the Reception level ones.[/QUOTE] well i would at least expect them to acknowledge their ignorance on a subject before they make any sweeping generalizations about it

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42300435]Sure, but only if atheists that act like you are included as well because you're being just as prejudiced[/QUOTE] did you just agree with him? and get agrees

I've met plenty of lovely muslims myself and I'm sure they don't have any reason to trust us either with the disgusting attitude most people seem to have. I always remember the time I sat and had a really long chat with an elderly muslim man whom I asked about his religion, more than anything he seemed surprised I was actually being nice to him. I actually learnt a lot from the guy. I still choose not to believe when it comes to religion but I wont deny it is interesting to learn about and I'll at least show some respect and decency to my fellow man regardless of race or religion. The minority that goes about trying to spread sharia law and committing violence in london and other places etc are a different story altogether though, its a shame they are the only ones you ever hear about.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42303038]False. You're using [I]Racism[/I] in the 18th century anthropological way which doesn't really exist today.[/QUOTE] Please explain what "18th century anthropological racism" is. The only thing I find when I search it on Google is "the 'scientific' way of identifying races to justify things like slavery". That's not what this is about. This is about religion not being a race, which it never was and never will be in [i]any[/i] definition of the word "racism". That is unless you find me a definition of racism that equates to "religion-based discrimination".

[QUOTE=FPtje;42303400]Please explain what "18th century anthropological racism" is. The only thing I find when I search it on Google is "the 'scientific' way of identifying races to justify things like slavery". That's not what this is about. This is about religion not being a race, which it never was and never will be in [i]any[/i] definition of the word "racism". That is unless you find me a definition of racism that equates to "religion-based discrimination".[/QUOTE] People dislike muslims not because their book is any less or more dumb than the bible, but because they're from a different culture. [quote]Definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes.[/quote]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/QfRTlwO.png[/img] Seems correct!

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42303480]People dislike muslims not because their book is any less or more dumb than the bible, but because they're from a different culture.[/QUOTE] Well no. All the terrorism and ghetto's is painting a negative image of them. People don't hate the Japanese or the Italians as much as Arabs/Muslims.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42303539]Well no. All the terrorism and ghetto's is painting a negative image of them. People don't hate the Japanese or the Italians as much as Arabs/Muslims.[/QUOTE] Because they're from a different culture. How all racism is formed. Stop justifying it with some terrorism apologist angle lol

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42302815]yeah because I don't support the systematic rape and oppression of every single woman living in the middle east. solid logic.[/QUOTE] and of course all religious people do!!

[QUOTE=benwaddi;42302762]If you read through the survey the most intolerant groups are actually black british and gays+lesbian/LGB. Both hold distrust of muslims, LGB has the highest rate of distrust towards every religious and immigrant group. LGB has a unusual negative opinion on the disabled and mixed race persons. The typical chinese and black british EDL members must have answered the question of if asians make britain look bad.[/QUOTE] Still no thoughts from anyone on this?

[QUOTE=.Isak.;42299961]in other news, a quarter of young british people lack critical thinking skills and attribute skin tone to terrorism[/QUOTE] but being muslim doesn't mean you are of a certain skin tone?

[QUOTE=Hellduck;42303600]and of course all religious people do!![/QUOTE] I wasn't aware that you accounted for ''all religious people''.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42303480]People dislike muslims not because their book is any less or more dumb than the bible[/QUOTE] I never said this. I mentioned the bible to illustrate [i]my own[/i] opinion about both religious books. I never said that it's why "people" dislike Muslims. [QUOTE=NoDachi;42303480]but because they're from a different culture.[/QUOTE] Alright, the definition there seems to (partially) equate religion-based discrimination by including religious stereotypes. It still feels weird to call it racism, though. People don't so much have a problem calling hate against Muslims racism, but what if you substitute Islam for Christianity? Would hate against Christians be racism? By the definition you gave it would, but it would still be weird.