Quarter of young British people 'do not trust Muslims' - Polidicks

When you have a country that is as a majority very liberal with gay rights, the rights of ethnic minorities, the rights of other religious groups and the rights of different races then you inject a religion which is in comparison to Anglicanism and Agnosticism a very fundamentalist religion of course it will create these opinions.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42303869]I wasn't aware that you accounted for ''all religious people''.[/QUOTE] i dont? what the fuck are you on about, you said all religions are blatantly harmful. unless all religious people are being absolutely terrible like you described then it's not a religious issue. the poor civil rights and inequality in those countries are caused by terrible living conditions and a lack of education due to economic upheaval.

[QUOTE=FPtje;42303908]I never said this. I mentioned the bible to illustrate [i]my own[/i] opinion about both religious books. I never said that it's why "people" dislike Muslims. Alright, the definition there seems to (partially) equate religion-based discrimination by including religious stereotypes. It still feels weird to call it racism, though. People don't so much have a problem calling hate against Muslims racism, but what if you substitute Islam for Christianity? Would hate against Christians be racism? By the definition you gave it would, but it would still be weird.[/QUOTE] well by the definition he gave hate against christians wouldn't be racism because, if you're from the western world anyway, it's not a different culture still a dick thing to do though and it's definitely religious discrimination if not racism - that said the number of people who hate muslims is definitely going to be higher than the number of people who hate christians, and it's going to be because of racism

Whilst I certainly don't condone this, as a person that lives near Birmingham, an area of Britain with a high proportion of the population that are muslim, I can see [i]why[/i] people think this. Mistrust and fear is bred as a result of a lack of understanding (you could say ignorance, but I think it is unfair to say that in this example), which is ultimately due to a lack of integration of the two groups. I'm not saying this is true of all muslims, but from my own personal experience a large number (maybe even a majority) of Pakistani and Arabian muslim immigrants often self-segregate themselves from the rest of the population. There are whole streets in Aston taken up by one extended family, in areas such as Sparkhill (like the Ladypool Road) the shops are all Muslim (and this is like a 2 mile high street). Now I have no problem with Muslim shops or people coming here, I love the diversity of it; however I would prefer to see a muslim shop on a "normal" high street than no Muslim shops outside of their own area. I think it's due to the large number of muslim immigrants that this problem has occured. Because of the relatively small numbers of West Indian, Sikh, Hindu and Oriental immigrants in the past compared to Muslims, they were forced to integrate, and were not able corner themselves off in one area. The same happens in schools, Muslim people (especially boys) tend to segregate themselves and not mix with people of other races. I know a lot of North Americans are disagreeing with what people from the UK are saying, but you may not realise the situation fully. People don't mix with a lot of Muslims in their everyday life so it can breed a lot of distrust through lack of knowledge and exposure.

I'm honestly not sure why people over here hate Muslims so much. I never hear one nice or positive thing about them, only complaints that they're leeching benefits and taking jobs from "the young" among other nasty shit. My Dad (who isn't young obviously but he's a good example) actually got super pissed at me when I said I wanted to buy a Koran when I listed a bunch of holy books/texts I'd like to read at Home (I'm a fan of theology) with stuff like "We're not having that trash in [i]our[/i] house" etc. I still never got an explanation as to why he hated that idea so much. I wish this statistic was lower. I really do. I hate the blatant one bad apple spoils the bunch mentality that's going on here.

The Media has a much bigger grasp on young minds than Older, less malleable minds. Being swamped in hysteria over terrorist attacks, TV constantly has to scare someone or create drama to make more money. Television Rules The Nation.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;42304429]Whilst I certainly don't condone this, as a person that lives near Birmingham, an area of Britain with a high proportion of the population that are muslim, I can see [i]why[/i] people think this. Mistrust and fear is bred as a result of a lack of understanding (you could say ignorance, but I think it is unfair to say that in this example), which is ultimately due to a lack of integration of the two groups. I'm not saying this is true of all muslims, but from my own personal experience a large number (maybe even a majority) of Pakistani and Arabian muslim immigrants often self-segregate themselves from the rest of the population. There are whole streets in Aston taken up by one extended family, in areas such as Sparkhill (like the Ladypool Road) the shops are all Muslim (and this is like a 2 mile high street). Now I have no problem with Muslim shops or people coming here, I love the diversity of it; however I would prefer to see a muslim shop on a "normal" high street than no Muslim shops outside of their own area. I think it's due to the large number of muslim immigrants that this problem has occured. Because of the relatively small numbers of West Indian, Sikh, Hindu and Oriental immigrants in the past compared to Muslims, they were forced to integrate, and were not able corner themselves off in one area. The same happens in schools, Muslim people (especially boys) tend to segregate themselves and not mix with people of other races. I know a lot of North Americans are disagreeing with what people from the UK are saying, but you may not realise the situation fully. People don't mix with a lot of Muslims in their everyday life so it can breed a lot of distrust through lack of knowledge and exposure.[/QUOTE] this theory about integration doesn't make any sense. neither party is interested in integration, and integration would mean either the muslims completely abandoning their religion or england completely abandoning its morals. people don't trust muslims generally for 2 reasons: 1) they think every arab is muslim and every muslim is a terrorist plotting to bomb a school 2) they understand what it means to be muslim and morally disagree with it.

I live in birmingham, the college I went to had a huge amount of muslim people which was odd coming from a secondary school where there was a grand total of about one person in my year who was even slightly asian, let alone muslim. The asian, black and white people didn't really mix their social groups to a massive extent IIRC, but I think it was more to do with location than anything else - basically everyone who got the bus to south birmingham (including me) was white but almost everyone who got the bus to the north and into the city centre was black or asian. I don't think it was a race thing, just that these groups of people had never really interacted before and weren't likely to start, which is kind of a shame. Granted everyone's horribly cliquey at that age though.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42304528]this theory about integration doesn't make any sense. neither party is interested in integration, and integration would mean either the muslims completely abandoning their religion or england completely abandoning it's morals. people don't trust muslims generally for 2 reasons: 1) they think every arab is muslim and every muslim is a terrorist plotting to bomb a school 2) they understand what it means to be muslim and morally disagree with it.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying Muslims should abandon their religion to fit in, I'm saying they should mix with the rest of the population more so people understand them more and their religion, and don't go around thinking every muslim is a terrorist. Obviously not all Muslims shut themselves out, but a large majority do, see Generic Monk's post. [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Generic Monk;42304537]I live in birmingham, the college I went to had a huge amount of muslim people which was odd coming from a secondary school where there was a grand total of about one person in my year who was even slightly asian, let alone muslim. The asian, black and white people didn't really mix their social groups to a massive extent IIRC, but I think it was more to do with location than anything else - basically everyone who got the bus to south birmingham (including me) was white but almost everyone who got the bus to the north and into the city centre was black or asian. I don't think it was a race thing, just that these groups of people had never really interacted before and weren't likely to start, which is kind of a shame. Granted everyone's horribly cliquey at that age though.[/QUOTE] My sister started going to University College Birmingham and says exactly the same.

Every day I feel more and more ashamed to be British. It's sad to see that this many people are still blind and just can't face the fact that people are different, but that it doesn't make them bad.

Mohammed married and consummated a 9 year old. [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] Just putting that out there.

[QUOTE=Mort and Charon;42304584]I'm not saying Muslims should abandon their religion to fit in, I'm saying they should mix with the rest of the population more so people understand them more and their religion, and don't go around thinking every muslim is a terrorist. Obviously not all Muslims shut themselves out, but a large majority do, see Generic Monk's post. [/QUOTE] I know it's not what you're saying but that's the problem. islam and western society are nearly opposites of eachother. integration isn't the simple issue that can be solved by mingling that you're making it out to be. western society is passing laws left and right to achieve equal rights while islam has had the same dismissive attitude towards women as long as it's existed. you under estimate how important islamic values are to the average muslim.

[QUOTE=InUndenial;42304799]Mohammed married and consummated a 9 year old. [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] Just putting that out there.[/QUOTE] And cardinals raped little boys just putting that out there

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42305004]And cardinals raped little boys just putting that out there[/QUOTE] would be an interesting point if 85% of the male christian population was named in honor of said cardinals.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42305142]would be an interesting point if 85% of the male christian population was named in honor of said cardinals.[/QUOTE] well if you want to get technical a lot of commonplace names are also Biblical and a lot of ostensibly good people who held those names in the Bible were rapists, murderers and generally completely monstrous (because that's basically the Bible in a nutshell)

[QUOTE=Cone;42305188]well if you want to get technical a lot of commonplace names are also Biblical and a lot of ostensibly good people who held those names in the Bible were rapists, murderers and generally completely monstrous (because that's basically the Bible in a nutshell)[/QUOTE] but naming your child mohamed is actually a religious tradition meant to honor the profit. I would wager that less than 3% of people with biblical names were named after or in honor of the people in the bible.

[QUOTE=The mouse;42302410]You can't blame British people for being mistrustful of Muslims if they've never met one or spent time around them.[/QUOTE] yeah you can

[QUOTE=NoDachi;42303561]Because they're from a different culture. [/QUOTE] Of course but Muslims in particular get alot of hate because of acts of terrorism.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42306160]Of course but Muslims in particular get alot of hate because of acts of terrorism.[/QUOTE] Irish nationalists committed acts of terrorism against Britain, but you wouldn't see people giving Irish people half as much shit as they do to anyone who looks stereotypically or even vaguely Muslim e.g. Sikhs.

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42306139]yeah you can[/QUOTE] Why? It's pretty much a fact that most people are afraid of what they don't know or are ill-informed about.

[QUOTE=The mouse;42306661]Why? It's pretty much a fact that most people are afraid of what they don't know or are ill-informed about.[/QUOTE] i've never met or spoken to a sikh and i know next to nothing about their culture but i'm pretty sure if i met one i wouldn't be side-eyeing his turban and plotting my escape routes [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] in the age of the internet when research is near instantaneous there is no excuse for being afraid of a group of people out of ignorance

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42306697]i've never met or spoken to a sikh and i know next to nothing about their culture but i'm pretty sure if i met one i wouldn't be side-eyeing his turban and plotting my escape routes [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] in the age of the internet when research is near instantaneous there is no excuse for being afraid of a group of people out of ignorance[/QUOTE] Fair enough, and that's probably the one of the reasons 75% of people would trust them.

[QUOTE=MelonGuy;42303850]but being muslim doesn't mean you are of a certain skin tone?[/QUOTE] Arent bosnians white and muslim? also, the Caucasus region where chechnya armenia, azerbaijan and georgia has white muslim populations.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;42303264]did you just agree with him? and get agrees[/QUOTE] It wasn't "sure I agree" it was "sure but you realize you'd have to include yourself too right"

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42302214]muslims are very nice people[/QUOTE] For those of you disagreeing, do any of you even have any Muslim friends or acquaintances? No? Well, then you don't have any say in this matter.

[QUOTE=Mr._N;42308543]For those of you disagreeing, do any of you even have any Muslim friends or acquaintances? No? Well, then you don't have any say in this matter.[/QUOTE] I read about one in the Daily Mail, they sound [I]scary[/I]

If I don't trust Muslims then I don't trust Muslims fuck how you want me to think. You all want to preach individuality and open-mindedness how about you fuck off others' views as "wrong"

[QUOTE=Mr._N;42308543]For those of you disagreeing, do any of you even have any Muslim friends or acquaintances? No? Well, then you don't have any say in this matter.[/QUOTE] people who don't want to befriend misogynistic savages that support rape and child abuse have no say. well done. it's pretty amusing how people are completely willing to ignore the entirety of the religion and then claim that others just don't know enough and that's why they're opposed to islam.

[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;42308737]If I don't trust Muslims then I don't trust Muslims fuck how you want me to think.[/quote] Why? Can you give me one reason why you don't trust all Muslims ever? Just one? [QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;42308737]You all want to preach individuality and open-mindedness how about you fuck off others' views as "wrong"[/QUOTE] Mmm I love the persecution complex of a racist, so sad [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bruhmis;42308755]people who don't want to befriend misogynistic savages that support rape and child abuse have no say. well done. it's pretty amusing how people are completely willing to ignore the entirety of the religion and then claim that others just don't know enough and that's why they're opposed to islam.[/QUOTE] All Muslims everywhere are the same raping pedophile sexist, it's a proven fact !!!!!!

I don't see why this should even be an issue. I mean, Why do people give a shit about skin colour? if a person is nice to me, I'm nice to them. That's pretty much it. When I was little, I was scared of black people because I was never taught anything about why they weren't the same as me. I didn't hate them, but it was kind of gross to me. If we just taught people about race equality from an early age, none of this would be a problem once the older, generally more racist population is gone. (Not all old people are racist, just a good majority seem to be. At least, around here.)