Quarter of young British people 'do not trust Muslims' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42308769] All Muslims everywhere are the same raping pedophile sexist, it's a proven fact !!!!!![/QUOTE] the muslims you've met justify all the pain and destruction islam causes, it's a proven fact!!!! people who don't follow the rules and hold the beliefs of a religion should still be considered part of that religion, it's a proven fact!!!! the middle east is a perfectly fine place for women to live, it's a proven fact!!!! islamic countries have equal rights for everyone, it's a proven fact!!!! women visiting islamic countries don't get arrested for being raped, it's a proven fact!!!

[QUOTE=Mr._N;42308543]For those of you disagreeing, do any of you even have any Muslim friends or acquaintances? No? Well, then you don't have any say in this matter.[/QUOTE] there are muslims who are nice and muslims who are assholes. I disagreed with him because he was generalizing.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;42301722]Well this is completely irrelevant. What did my post have to do with wars? I was talking about atheists being assholes on the internet, not atheists starting wars. "Atheists haven't started many wars so I can be a dipshit to strangers!"[/QUOTE] I've heard people being dipshits online and they just have to wave the magical flag of "muh persecution" and they get tons of defense.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42308755]people who don't want to befriend misogynistic savages that support rape and child abuse have no say. well done. it's pretty amusing how people are completely willing to ignore the entirety of the religion and then claim that others just don't know enough and that's why they're opposed to islam.[/QUOTE] you do know there's a pretty big islamic feminism movement right? [quote=Al-Ahram Weekly]Islamic feminism advocates women's rights, gender equality, and social justice using Islamic discourse as its paramount discourse, though not necessarily its only one. Islamic feminist discourse in Iran draws upon secular discourses and methodologies to strengthen and extend its claims. Wadud in her women-sensitive interpretation of the Qur'an combines classical Islamic methodologies with new social science tools and secular discourses of rights and justice while retaining a firm and central grounding in Islamic thought. [/quote] [quote] In re-examining the Qur'an and [I]hadith[/I], Islamic feminists are making cogent arguments that Islam does not condone wanton violence against women, promoting the notion that violence against women is indeed anti-Islamic. This alone will not put an end to violence but it is one among many weapons against it. The Malaysian group "Sisters in Islam" is one among many that have decried violence against women perpetrated in the name of Islam in a pamphlet they distributed widely. South African Saadiya Shaikh has also completed a study on the subject and is currently looking at notions of sexuality in Islamic religious texts. Islamic feminism on the whole is more radical than Muslims' secular feminisms have been. Islamic feminism insists on full equality of women and men across the public/private spectrum (secular feminists historically accepted the idea of equality in the public sphere and the notion of complementarianism in the private sphere). Islamic feminism argues that women may be heads of state, leaders of congregational prayer, judges, and muftis. In some Muslim majority countries, Muslim women function as judges, some as prime ministers, and one is a head of state. Thus Islamic feminism stands to benefit us all, Muslims of both sexes, as well as non-Muslims living side by side with Muslims everywhere.[/quote] [URL]http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/569/cu1.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;42308737]If I don't trust Muslims then I don't trust Muslims fuck how you want me to think. You all want to preach individuality and open-mindedness how about you fuck off others' views as "wrong"[/QUOTE] If you have prejudices that you're able to openly admit it's time to do some introspection and self-improvement But lol for literally saying you're being persecuted for your bigotry

[QUOTE=TheHydra;42310168]you do know there's a pretty big islamic feminism movement right? [URL]http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2002/569/cu1.htm[/URL][/QUOTE] can you not see the difference between these people and those who actually believe in the religion in its entirety instead of just the little bits and pieces that are convenient for them? the koran advocates sexism. it has sections instructing you how to properly beat your wife. it clearly dictates that the wife is a servant to the husband, there for his pleasure. even the women of islam hold this belief.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42313753]can you not see the difference between these people and those who actually believe in the religion in its entirety instead of just the little bits and pieces that are convenient for them? the koran advocates sexism. it has sections instructing you how to properly beat your wife. it clearly dictates that the wife is a servant to the husband, there for his pleasure. even the women of islam hold this belief.[/QUOTE] And the bible was all rosy, perfect and free of violence wasn't it?

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;42316005]And the bible was all rosy, perfect and free of violence wasn't it?[/QUOTE] the difference being that there is almost no one who actually follows the bible whereas islam is rich with devout followers who actually understand and respect their own religion. show me a christian outside of the westboro baptist church who actually practices the religion and doesn't just take parts of it to fill their empty life. you can't, because such a person is an obscure, nearly non-existent occurrence.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42316095]the difference being that there is almost no one who actually follows the bible whereas islam is rich with devout followers who actually understand and respect their own religion. show me a christian outside of the westboro baptist church who actually practices the religion and doesn't just take parts of it to fill their empty life. you can't, because such a person is an obscure, nearly non-existent occurrence.[/QUOTE] yeah thats caused by better education in western countries which are usually primarily christian

[QUOTE=Hellduck;42316168]yeah thats caused by better education in western countries which are usually primarily christian[/QUOTE] it also exists in countries with extremely poor education such as brazil.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42316095] show me a christian outside of the westboro baptist church who actually practices the religion and doesn't just take parts of it to fill their empty life. you can't, because such a person is an obscure, nearly non-existent occurrence.[/QUOTE] Many of these people exist. Perhaps they don't have the same beliefs as the WBC but they study the Bible as honestly as they can. They are probably some of the few people who with a clear conscience can say they are a true Christian, as opposed to believing some convenient interpretation of their holy scriptures. Take note I'm not actually a Christian, although I used to be, and I still study parts of the Bible now and again.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42316581]it also exists in countries with extremely poor education such as brazil.[/QUOTE] yeah exactly. it's an issue with education, not inherent to religion.

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;42316005]And the bible was all rosy, perfect and free of violence wasn't it?[/QUOTE] I've actually just started reading the Bible (to see what all the fuss is about) and they're already destroyed an entire city after blackmailing its inhabitants to circumcise themselves. Shit's getting interesting.

[QUOTE=elevate;42317224]Many of these people exist. Perhaps they don't have the same beliefs as the WBC but they study the Bible as honestly as they can. They are probably some of the few people who with a clear conscience can say they are a true Christian, as opposed to believing some convenient interpretation of their holy scriptures. Take note I'm not actually a Christian, although I used to be, and I still study parts of the Bible now and again.[/QUOTE] if you have a clear conscience, you cannot say you're a true christian. a true christian is a bigot of the highest caliber who lives only to obey the word of a violent and vengeful deity who commands the death and torture of homosexuals and anyone else he happens to be pissed off at including people wearing clothes of 2 fabrics. if you study the bible and believe it, you're an idiot and you're a selfish bigot, period. [editline]26th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Hellduck;42318578]yeah exactly. it's an issue with education, not inherent to religion.[/QUOTE] you just finished saying that christians are less devout and violent because they have better education, and when I mention that brazil is heavily christian and has piss jug quality education you somehow think this confirms your views. make up your mind.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42318743]if you have a clear conscience, you cannot say you're a true christian. a true christian is a bigot of the highest caliber who lives only to obey the word of a violent and vengeful deity who commands the death and torture of homosexuals and anyone else he happens to be pissed off at including people wearing clothes of 2 fabrics. if you study the bible and believe it, you're an idiot and you're a selfish bigot, period.[/QUOTE] I take it you a are a saint? The atheist hero who is going to "save" all others?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42318743]you just finished saying that christians are less devout and violent because they have better education, and when I mention that brazil is heavily christian and has piss jug quality education you somehow think this confirms your views. make up your mind.[/QUOTE] he said that the actual religion is irrelevant and you basically proved his point. is Islam specifically the problem or is it not? make up your mind.

[QUOTE=Beerminator;42318768]I take it you a are a saint? The atheist hero who is going to "save" all others?[/QUOTE] it's illogical to think that any existing religion is accurate. they're all derived from man. there is evidence to disprove each and every one of them. to base your life on a widely circulated work of fiction is in itself extremely pathetic. when you're also part of a movement that causes others harm I don't see why you would expect to receive any degree of respect. I'm not interested in changing the beliefs of stupid people but anyone with a clear head can see that when religion has power it results in destruction. [editline]26th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;42318825]he said that the actual religion is irrelevant and you basically proved his point. is Islam specifically the problem or is it not? make up your mind.[/QUOTE] I disproved his point, actually. his point was that the reason christians are less violent is because they have better education. they don't, and that's what I pointed out.

A British soldier WAS beheaded in the middle of the street by a Muslim "in the name of Allah" blah blah... So, they have a right to have that opinion, I think. That would make some hate boil within me too, quite frankly.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42318743]if you have a clear conscience, you cannot say you're a true christian. a true christian is a bigot of the highest caliber who lives only to obey the word of a violent and vengeful deity who commands the death and torture of homosexuals and anyone else he happens to be pissed off at including people wearing clothes of 2 fabrics. if you study the bible and believe it, you're an idiot and you're a selfish bigot, period. [editline]26th September 2013[/editline] you just finished saying that christians are less devout and violent because they have better education, and when I mention that brazil is heavily christian and has piss jug quality education you somehow think this confirms your views. make up your mind.[/QUOTE] no, I said the western world was better educated, and a lot of them happen to be christian, which is why someone (YOU) might think islam is comparatively worse. it's nothing to do with religion.

[QUOTE=Hellduck;42318938]no, I said the western world was better educated, and a lot of them happen to be christian, which is why someone (YOU) might think islam is comparatively worse. it's nothing to do with religion.[/QUOTE] I don't only look at western countries when comparing christianity to islam, so that theory doesn't apply here. also, why don't you take a look at what the iran was like before the dramatic islamification of 1979. there's no way you can spin this to make it look like islam has nothing to do with it.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42318993]I don't only look at western countries when comparing christianity to islam, so that theory doesn't apply here. also, why don't you take a look at what the iran was like before the dramatic islamification of 1979. there's no way you can spin this to make it look like islam has nothing to do with it.[/QUOTE] which we were responsible for btw, we gave them an insane man who brutalized his country, guess who were left after all that fuckup?

Well I don't trust more than quarter of young British people in general so fair enough I guess.

[QUOTE=thisispain;42300499]what about protestantism which was super-radical and led to the reformation[/QUOTE] Protestants (especially puritans) did a lot of really, really awful shit. Everybody is lucky that anything good came from it

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42318906]it's illogical to think that any existing religion is accurate. they're all derived from man. there is evidence to disprove each and every one of them. to base your life on a widely circulated work of fiction is in itself extremely pathetic. when you're also part of a movement that causes others harm I don't see why you would expect to receive any degree of respect. I'm not interested in changing the beliefs of stupid people but anyone with a clear head can see that when religion has power it results in destruction. [/QUOTE] Be that as it may religion is not (and was not) only a negative force. Excluding radicalism of course.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42319057]which we were responsible for btw, we gave them an insane man who brutalized his country, guess who were left after all that fuckup?[/QUOTE] nowhere have I made claims that your country's government is good in any facet. [editline]26th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Beerminator;42319369]Be that as it may religion is not (and was not) only a negative force. Excluding radicalism of course.[/QUOTE] nothing can justify the atrocities religion responsible for. just because it's not 100% bad that doesn't mean we need it.

Jeez, you'd think some of the people in this thread would be up for another Crusade.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42320252]Jeez, you'd think some of the people in this thread would be up for another Crusade.[/QUOTE] crusades are great, haven't you played castle crashers?