Harriet Tubman to replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;50169767]Once we're old as hell like England I doubt we'll still have our founders on our currency. We might just end up putting the current president on everything once we've got over a thousand years of notable figures[/QUOTE] I can't wait for the William shattner 5$ bills

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50170446]Imagine thinking that every decision that you disagreed with was the result of PC culture[/QUOTE] Care to address the actually content rich post I made explaining why I feel that way?

I haven't paid any attention to this, but why are they changing the faces on bills? Is it because people are complaining about the current faces doing something that isn't socially acceptable now? Or is it just a matter of because they felt like changing it?

I think the failure of your argument lies in the fact that this isn't a dick-waving contest of personal achievements.

[QUOTE=axelord157;50170585]I think the failure of your argument lies in the fact that this isn't a dick-waving contest of personal achievements.[/QUOTE] It's also not a dick-waving contest of symbolism.

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;50170547]Care to address the actually content rich post I made explaining why I feel that way?[/QUOTE] Because you're the only one comparing her to Eisenhower or MLK. Just because other people had more of a large scale impact does not diminish the fact that she's a hero and an icon, and the only reason to [I]not[/I] include her on the bill is if you decided that the dirty PC people have arbitrarily included her just because she's a black woman and then worked your "greater impact" argument out backwards from there.

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;50170629]Because you're the only one comparing her to Eisenhower or MLK. Just because other people had more of a large scale impact does not diminish the fact that she's a hero and an icon, and the only reason to [I]not[/I] include her on the bill is if you decided that the dirty PC people have arbitrarily included her just because she's a black woman and then worked your "greater impact" argument out backwards from there.[/QUOTE] If Tubman were a white man with the same accomplishments she would not have been picked. Do you disagree?

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;50170748]If Tubman were a white man with the same accomplishments she would not have been picked. Do you disagree?[/QUOTE] It's significant that she did what she did as a black woman due to the times. It wouldn't have been nearly as significant for a white man to make the same accomplishment.

NEW INFO COMING IN: Jackson is here to stay, but he will be on the back of the 20 dollar bill. [URL="http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/04/andrew_jackson_to_remain_on_ba.html"]SOURCE[/URL] What the fuck? This makes no sense. Why would the treasury think putting a white supremacist on the same dollar as a black woman is a good idea? [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Chernobyl426;50170748]If Tubman were a white man with the same accomplishments she would not have been picked. Do you disagree?[/QUOTE] White abolitionists are pretty well-regarded these days, so its a possibility.

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;50170748]If Tubman were a white man with the same accomplishments she would not have been picked. Do you disagree?[/QUOTE] Considering her race is a major factor when it comes to her life and accomplishments (ones impossible for a white man to have replicated at the time), I don't suppose I do. That question also makes you sound like you have no idea who Harriet Tubman is by the way.

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;50170748]If Tubman were a white man with the same accomplishments she would not have been picked. Do you disagree?[/QUOTE] if Tubman were a [I]white[/I] slave in America we would be looking at quite a different sociological climate, wouldn't we? what kind of answer are you even expecting here?

[QUOTE=croguy;50169909] ...now I'd say, ideally, implementing a $2 , a $500, and a $1000 bank note into the system would be able to cover Teddy/FDR, MLK, Eisenhower, or whoever you'd really like, but I have a feeling that Americans aren't too keen on changing the current configuration.[/QUOTE] I always loved the way the old large denomination bills looked. Especially the gold certificates. [img]http://assets.atlasobscura.com/article_images/800x/12659/image.jpg[/img] I hope they don't change the art style on the bill, and keep it like the pre-1996 versions in format. I'll miss William McKinley though. [img]http://www.antiquemoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1934-500-green-seal-bank-note.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;50170748]If Tubman were a white man with the same accomplishments she would not have been picked. Do you disagree?[/QUOTE] That you think to ask this question really just shows that you reached a conclusion and are now desperately trying to form an argument for it. What Harriet Tubman did is historically significant. She, along with MLK, Eisenhower, and literally hundreds of other people are surely historically significant enough to be put on currency. Don't be mad that this time it's a black woman.

Does this mean that it's worth only $12 now? [sp]im kidding[/sp]

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;50170748]If Tubman were a white man with the same accomplishments she would not have been picked. Do you disagree?[/QUOTE] She couldn't have accomplished those things if she were a white man. Being a black woman is one of the most important factors in her life and in her ability to influence people. The same logic applies to your arbitrary alternative options. Do you think MLK could have done what he did if he were white? The success of a member of an oppressed group in the fight to end their oppression is much more significant than a privileged person helping them out. The circumstances and accomplishments are totally different. Stop pretending nothing is about race unless we make it about race - this was about race long before any of us were born. It's worth honoring people who rose up from their oppression to make a difference in history. Also your arguments for Eisenhower are silly, it's just a list of things he did. It was his job to lead a country and those things he accomplished were entirely because of that. By your logic, every president should be on currency because they changed things because they were president. It's much more significant for a freed slave to become a war spy and to liberate thousands of slaves than for a president to do his job.

A year ago, they were going to change Hamilton on the 10$ bill with a noteworthy woman. People got upset that a legendary figure like Hamilton was going to be removed off of currency he helped found, so they postponed. Now, they want to take one of the greatest presidents of all time off his bill. It's been about 90 years since he's been on the $20. He has been on other currency in the past, too. I see nothing wrong with rotating imagery on currency, but why not do all the bills, or at least start with Hamilton like planned. Replacing him with someone not even part of the government or military is just insulting. My personal choice would be Sandra Day O'Connor. She's done so much for the people of the US, and it would be proper to honor her in this way.

[QUOTE=HovarTM;50171164]A year ago, they were going to change Hamilton on the 10$ bill with a noteworthy woman. People got upset that a legendary figure like Hamilton was going to be removed off of currency he helped found, so they postponed. Now, they want to take one of the greatest presidents of all time off his bill. It's been about 90 years since he's been on the $20. He has been on other currency in the past, too. I see nothing wrong with rotating imagery on currency, but why not do all the bills, or at least start with Hamilton like planned. Replacing him with someone not even part of the government or military is just insulting. My personal choice would be Sandra Day O'Connor. She's done so much for the people of the US, and it would be proper to honor her in this way.[/QUOTE] Insulting how?

[QUOTE=HovarTM;50171164]A year ago, they were going to change Hamilton on the 10$ bill with a noteworthy woman. People got upset that a legendary figure like Hamilton was going to be removed off of currency he helped found, so they postponed. Now, they want to take one of the greatest presidents of all time off his bill. It's been about 90 years since he's been on the $20. He has been on other currency in the past, too. I see nothing wrong with rotating imagery on currency, but why not do all the bills, or at least start with Hamilton like planned. Replacing him with someone not even part of the government or military is just insulting. My personal choice would be Sandra Day O'Connor. She's done so much for the people of the US, and it would be proper to honor her in this way.[/QUOTE] I think they're hesitating to put people from more recent history on our currency because their legacies still aren't totally understood yet. We don't really know what effect O'Connor had on our history yet, and we've had plenty of time to study Tubman's influence. Jackson's legacy [i]is[/i] understood. He fought to get rid of the bank Hamilton founded, the bank that regulates the currency with his face on it. He also was a dick to the natives, and we as a country have come to realize that "being a dick to natives" is kind of high up on our list of national regrets Unrelated, what picture are they going to use? Will it be the first US Bill to have a photo portrait? [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HovarTM;50171164]Replacing him with someone not even part of the government or military is just insulting.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Wikipedia]Harriet Tubman was an African-American abolitionist, humanitarian, and a [B]Union spy during the American Civil War[/B]. [/QUOTE] Not a part of our military?

[QUOTE=HovarTM;50171164]A year ago, they were going to change Hamilton on the 10$ bill with a noteworthy woman. People got upset that a legendary figure like Hamilton was going to be removed off of currency he helped found, so they postponed. Now, they want to take one of the greatest presidents of all time off his bill. It's been about 90 years since he's been on the $20. He has been on other currency in the past, too. I see nothing wrong with rotating imagery on currency, but why not do all the bills, or at least start with Hamilton like planned. Replacing him with someone not even part of the government or military is just insulting. My personal choice would be Sandra Day O'Connor. She's done so much for the people of the US, and it would be proper to honor her in this way.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? Andrew Jackson was one of, if not the worst president in the entire history of the United States. Not only did he commit fucking GENOCIDE, he also did shit like dissolving the central bank, creating the spoils system and he was just generally an ass. Anything positive that came out of his presidency would have happened with or without him becoming president. Even Nixon doesn't compare to this asshole.

andrew jackson is my favorite president and closely fits my ideals.

[QUOTE=Captain Proton;50171379]andrew jackson is my favorite president and closely fits my ideals.[/QUOTE] Your ideals being about the destruction of an entire people and their way of life, the dissolution of the driving force of our economy, and the ruination of democracy?

I would love to hear someone explain how Andrew Jackson was not only an effective president, but one of our greatest. Other than his handling of southern states threatening to secede I can't think of a single positive thing that came out of his presidency.

We should put more scientific figures and events on our bills. And we should have another bill with FDR and Teddy together. [img]http://i.imgur.com/X6yZ6MY.jpg[/img] but with presidents/leaders/etc would be cool. [url]http://www.wired.com/2014/11/money-designed-celebrate-science-instead-presidents/[/url]

Who will be the first rapper to refer to $20 bills as "Tubmans"? [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] Tubman Tubman Tubman them boys up to something

slangin for the tubs

[QUOTE=Swiket;50171598]Who will be the first rapper to refer to $20 bills as "Tubmans"? [editline]20th April 2016[/editline] Tubman Tubman Tubman them boys up to something[/QUOTE] "ten ten ten tubman on yo titties bitch"

[QUOTE=shadow_oap;50171594]We should put more scientific figures and events on our bills. And we should have another bill with FDR and Teddy together. [img]http://i.imgur.com/X6yZ6MY.jpg[/img] but with presidents/leaders/etc would be cool. [url]http://www.wired.com/2014/11/money-designed-celebrate-science-instead-presidents/[/url][/QUOTE] I really do love this design (So much so that I'm still waiting to get my hands on the prints). However, I think that US notes should stay green; it's a part of world culture at this point for US bills to be called "greenbacks", and I'd hate to lose that uniqueness.

[QUOTE=glitchvid;50171836]I really do love this design (So much so that I'm still waiting to get my hands on the prints). However, I think that US notes should stay green; it's a part of world culture at this point for US bills to be called "greenbacks", and I'd hate to lose that uniqueness.[/QUOTE] I don't like those designs because they are vague and largely unappealing. If I see a Lincoln, I know it's a $5 without looking at the corners. If I see...unintelligible blobs of some sort, it's not quick and reactive.

I'm happy for her but I don't really see the usefulness of a 12$ bill

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50171897]I don't like those designs because they are vague and largely unappealing. If I see a Lincoln, I know it's a $5 without looking at the corners. If I see...unintelligible blobs of some sort, it's not quick and reactive.[/QUOTE] I agree, I think the back designs are a bit too vague, I wish the 'contrast' was higher on the front as well. The size is also different per bill, so you'd probably be able to tell from that as well.