Transgender man gives birth in Germany, fights for the right to be called the father. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=isnipeu;42165675]How about you read the source before posting.[/QUOTE] It says he had hormone treatments and such, which I'm guessing is where he got ovaries from, but what about his vagina? I can't believe it's as simple as simply cutting off a man's penis and making way or anything along those lines.

[QUOTE=amorax;42170433]It says he had hormone treatments and such, which I'm guessing is where he got ovaries from, but what about his vagina? I can't believe it's as simple as simply cutting off a man's penis and making way or anything along those lines.[/QUOTE] Transgender man means the person is female to male. [QUOTE=gokiyono;42167026]But if you identify as the other gender, why not act like that too? If a male wants a kid, they either adopt, or find a female.[/QUOTE] He probably wanted to have a blood related child while he still could. Its a fairly common thing to want.

[QUOTE=popbob;42164819]if you start listing transpeople as father or mother without them being the biological equivalent you can end up compromising a doctor's ability to recognize/diagnose several hereditary issues so if you're all about endangering a human being's health in the name of political correctness...[/QUOTE] that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. there would obviously still be records of the fathers sex change, so it would be easy to identify any diseases that required knowledge like that. [editline]13th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=popbob;42164921]why change all birth certificates to make a very small minority feel good about themselves?[/QUOTE] except that's not even required, how about just let this dude be listed as father on the birth certificate? NO, I DON'T WANT A MINORITY TO FEEL GOOD DAMN IT [editline]13th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=RobbL;42166248]It seems like the last thing someone who's suffered from gender dysphoria would want to do, I dunno[/QUOTE] well apparently in this case it wasn't so what does it matter

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42170637]except that's not even required, how about just let this dude be listed as father on the birth certificate? NO, I DON'T WANT A MINORITY TO FEEL GOOD DAMN IT[/QUOTE] Maybe you should read the fucking thread and see that he is listed as the child's father. The issue is that he wants no mother listed.

[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;42164279]what fucking ever who gives a shit like wow who cares if some guy you don't know and will never see wants to be called daddy instead of mommy grow up just grow the fuck up jesus christ my brain hurts[/QUOTE] i love all the posts like these in this thread like why even bother discussing something in a news topic, let's just say "oh that's an interesting thing to happen that i have no opinion on whatsoever!" why even make the fucking news topic when it'll probably just lead to dumb arguments, why even discuss anything at all in a forum that's meant for news

The birth certificate has nothing to do with who is the father in that sense, you can even be a father to a child who is not yours (except on a birth certificate). Birth certificates, to put it bluntly, it's to know where the sperm and egg came from. He is saying that wants to be a father in the birth certificate, which is saying the sperm came from him, which is a lie. If it makes the whole situation better, have them change the names from father and mother, to sperm and egg, but birth certificates exist for a reason, and that reason has not to do with gender, it's biology.

Son I gave birth to you love you be a good sport

[QUOTE=Paramud;42170696]Maybe you should read the fucking thread and see that he is listed as the child's father. The issue is that he wants no mother listed.[/QUOTE] who cares

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42170854]who cares[/QUOTE] The government.

Last I checked women are generally refereed to as "mother". Seems like she's just being silly, to me

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;42170891]Last I checked women are generally refereed to as "mother". Seems like she's just being silly, to me[/QUOTE]Well, since he's not a woman, seems like that doesn't matter.

[QUOTE=Paramud;42170886]The government.[/QUOTE] no they don't because they changed it lol why don't you read the thread mate?

[QUOTE=Kiwi Bird;42170891]Last I checked women are generally refereed to as "mother". Seems like she's just being silly, to me[/QUOTE] hahaha wow, ive never seen a transphobic poster [i] Intentionally [/i] refer to a transgender person by the incorrect pronoun before! thats so clever wow i bet you are great at parties! shut up.

[QUOTE=ScoobyV2;42170765]Son I gave birth to you love you be a good sport[/QUOTE] what is the point of this post?

[QUOTE=Hellduck;42171746]what is the point of this post?[/QUOTE] Some magical things that people can take I think you've heard of them, they are really popular, and great. [sp]It's a painfully obvious joke[/sp] [editline]13th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Valnar;42170472]He probably wanted to have a blood related child while he still could. Its a fairly common thing to want.[/QUOTE] Well sure, that is understandable. But if you wish to be a man, you should have all the features a man has. And being able to give birth isn't something men can do. (Male seahorses can-ish, but that is different.)

[QUOTE=gokiyono;42173947] Well sure, that is understandable. But if you wish to be a man, you should have all the features a man has. And being able to give birth isn't something men can do. (Male seahorses can-ish, but that is different.)[/QUOTE] So what if giving birth isn't something a man can do? I'm guessing that this was probably the last time ever that he could have a blood related child, and you are criticizing him for that. How does him being a father and the birth parent harm society?

[QUOTE=Valnar;42174210]So what if giving birth isn't something a man can do? I'm guessing that this was probably the last time ever that he could have a blood related child, and you are criticizing him for that. How does him being a father and the birth parent harm society?[/QUOTE] What I am criticising him for is wanting to be a man and still wants to be able to give birth. That doesn't really make sense

what I do not understand is if they are transgender wouldn't it be kind of something you want to avoid to have a child Don't most transgender people actively avoid connotations with their birth gender, wouldn't having a baby be the most feminine thing you could ever do

So there is this woman, who wants to be a guy, but in the middle of transitioning decides to do something that is a totally unguy thing like giving birth to a child. And then complains about being listed as biological mother which he totally is. That is what I call a hypocrite. And that is not all. How selfish can you be to have a child as single parent? At least find someone who likes to have a kid with you and then build a good foundation for an environment where this kid will grow up to its full potential. This kid will have a hard time growing up.

How the hell does a transgendered person give birth? Do they have periods? Do they lactate? IF THEY DO SCIENCE TOTALLY JUST FLIPPED MY FUCKING HEAD OFF.

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;42174803]How the hell does a transgendered person give birth? Do they have periods? Do they lactate? IF THEY DO SCIENCE TOTALLY JUST FLIPPED MY FUCKING HEAD OFF.[/QUOTE] Just because they are trans, doesnt mean they get bottom surgery everytime. So in this case hes a female to male and kept his original genitalia because unfortunately the medical science isnt there yet for a realistic penis, unlike the male to female surgery thats much faster and easier and realistic looking.

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;42174578]So there is this woman, who wants to be a guy, but in the middle of transitioning decides to do something that is a totally unguy thing like giving birth to a child. And then complains about being listed as biological mother which he totally is. That is what I call a hypocrite. And that is not all. How selfish can you be to have a child as single parent? At least find someone who likes to have a kid with you and then build a good foundation for an environment where this kid will grow up to its full potential. This kid will have a hard time growing up.[/QUOTE] yes because of people like you

So she's a he who gave birth to baby so he's the mom but he also wants to be the father. Damn that's quite something. [editline]13th September 2013[/editline] Can you make this shit up?

man can we get different words for "male" and "female" when they pertain to gender and not sex because it gets really fucking confusing when someone is a man but also a woman. like from that sentence, you can't tell if it's a trans-male or trans-female can you. like, fuck, i swear if we had different words for this shit we'd be so much better off. it doesn't help that other words like 'father' and 'mother' are generally used to mean 'biological father' and 'biological mother' and that for the vast majority of people their parents have their sex as their gender, their biological parents being their actual parents. half the shit in this thread is just people arguing semantics because they're saying a biological mother can't be a biological father, which is correct, but other people are saying you can be a biological mother and a non-biological father, which is technically correct when you use father to mean male parent but not correct if you're going by strictly biological definitions tl;dr i think the REAL oppressor here is the english language

[QUOTE=gokiyono;42174246]What I am criticising him for is wanting to be a man and still wants to be able to give birth. That doesn't really make sense[/QUOTE] He wanted to give birth because it would probably be his last chance ever to have a blood child, like I've said before twice. And even if it isn't his last chance, so what? Who cares if it make sense or not right now, why is that relevant? I'll re-ask the question again. How does him being a father and the birth parent harm society? [QUOTE=PSI Guy;42175835]man can we get different words for "male" and "female" when they pertain to gender and not sex because it gets really fucking confusing when someone is a man but also a woman. like from that sentence, you can't tell if it's a trans-male or trans-female can you. like, fuck, i swear if we had different words for this shit we'd be so much better off. it doesn't help that other words like 'father' and 'mother' are generally used to mean 'biological father' and 'biological mother' and that for the vast majority of people their parents have their sex as their gender, their biological parents being their actual parents. half the shit in this thread is just people arguing semantics because they're saying a biological mother can't be a biological father, which is correct, but other people are saying you can be a biological mother and a non-biological father, which is technically correct when you use father to mean male parent but not correct if you're going by strictly biological definitions tl;dr i think the REAL oppressor here is the english language[/QUOTE] Its pretty simple, refer them by the gender their identity is. That means transgender-male refers to female to male, and vice versa. Or you could just call the transgender-male a man.

Has this thread really been arguing over the semantics of a birth certificate? If he wants to be labeled as the father then fucking let him what's the big deal?

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;42174578]How selfish can you be to have a child as single parent? At least find someone who likes to have a kid with you and then build a good foundation for an environment where this kid will grow up to its full potential. This kid will have a hard time growing up.[/QUOTE] Hi my mum was a single parent looking after three children and she got on just fine, stop looking for bullshit reasons to disapprove of this.

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;42174495]what I do not understand is if they are transgender wouldn't it be kind of something you want to avoid to have a child Don't most transgender people actively avoid connotations with their birth gender, wouldn't having a baby be the most feminine thing you could ever do[/QUOTE] giving birth is like, the only way for him to have a child that is related to him biologically some people would rather have a child that's related by blood to them than an adopted child. that's what i think, at least.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;42160951]reposting the same thing over again with words bolded doesn't make a point answer the question, seriously why is it important? If it is important, change the damn document because it's outdated. Put birth parent: and keep gender out of it entirely? who knows[/QUOTE] By that logic, why is it important for him to go through such an ordeal over such a small yet complicated thing?

[QUOTE=Valnar;42175986]He wanted to give birth because it would probably be his last chance ever to have a blood child, like I've said before twice. And even if it isn't his last chance, so what? Who cares if it make sense or not right now, why is that relevant? I'll re-ask the question again. How does him being a father and the birth parent harm society?[/QUOTE] Because it is pretty stupid. You are born female, you do not feel right that way, so you undergo surgery to become a man. That's alright, all power to you. But then you suddenly want to be able to do something that a man can't do? If you really want to be a man, you should face the consequences of it.