Transgender man gives birth in Germany, fights for the right to be called the father. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RobbL;42218105]Or it's just, ya know, ignorant[/QUOTE] He obviously knows that the person in the article is trans, but he chooses to [I]deliberately[/I] call him a woman.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42217925]"What's the harm?" is an entirely valid argument because you have yet to provide adequate evidence that the pros will outweigh the cons besides a vague "MEDICAL RECORDS!! BIRTH RECORDS!! DOCTORS NEED IT!"[/quote] Maybe that's because I'm not arguing that. [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42217925]But then you get unemotional robots like Paramud[/QUOTE] Excuse me sir but I am under the firm belief that unemotional robots create the best kind of government. Please stop being so robophobic.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42217925] "What's the harm?" is an entirely valid argument because you have yet to provide adequate evidence that the pros will outweigh the cons besides a vague "MEDICAL RECORDS!! BIRTH RECORDS!! DOCTORS NEED IT!"[/QUOTE] there are actual medical reasons for wanting to know who gave the egg and who gave the sperm, not knowing those reasons is no reason to discredit it as a whole. one reason is because, at birth, a child retains its mother's antibodies and gains no immunities from the father. multiple disorders and other biological defects can also only be passed by one or the other, so it helps to know which parent passed their genetics. [QUOTE=Shadaez;42212010]If his brain is that of a mans, he is biologically a man.[/QUOTE] the definitions of biological parents have been posted multiple times in this thread, dumbing those posts and ignoring them is no way to debate an issue.

[QUOTE=lxmach1;42219581]there are actual medical reasons for wanting to know who gave the egg and who gave the sperm, not knowing those reasons is no reason to discredit it as a whole. one reason is because, at birth, a child retains its mother's antibodies and gains no immunities from the father. multiple disorders and other biological defects can also only be passed by one or the other, so it helps to know which parent passed their genetics.[/QUOTE] And a simple solution for that issue was already given like three times in this thread already. Edit. I take it that you don't think that the idea is a good one.

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42210050]god fuck if one more person pulls the "WHY DO YOU CARE" card i'm gonna bust a nut why the fuck would you even discuss anything in a fucking news subforum when none of it at all affects you? people dying in syria? DOESN'T AFFECT US. asian dudes doin' a lot of rape in asia? DOESN'T AFFECT US. half the fucking things in this fucking subforum don't affect us, yet we still discuss them just, god damn, fuck me. what the fuck are we meant to discuss in this topic if we can't say anything because IT DOESN'T AFFECT US HURP A FUCKING DURP remember guys you can only have an opinion on things that personally affect you![/QUOTE] the reason that the "why do you care" argument is flung around is because, unlike in cases of foreign policy in which the rights of other human beings are being violated by authoritarian regimes, this is literally just a bunch of (more than likely) cisgendered people sitting in front of their computer screens clacking their keys in fury over how a person wants to be called a different string of vibrations than what they were brought up to associate with said person. i'm not accusing you specifically of such a thing, but that's pretty much what the case is, here. it's really just beyond me, though, when people get their dicks in a knot in saying things like "well biological x is defined as y" definitions change it's language. they're arguing over empty semantics instead of anything meaningful, and i really don't understand exactly [I]why[/I] they're doing it.

[QUOTE=joes33431;42221498]the reason that the "why do you care" argument is flung around is because, unlike in cases of foreign policy in which the rights of other human beings are being violated by authoritarian regimes, this is literally just a bunch of (more than likely) cisgendered people sitting in front of their computer screens clacking their keys in fury over how a person wants to be called a different string of vibrations than what they were brought up to associate with said person. i'm not accusing you specifically of such a thing, but that's pretty much what the case is, here. it's really just beyond me, though, when people get their dicks in a knot in saying things like "well biological x is defined as y" definitions change it's language. they're arguing over empty semantics instead of anything meaningful, and i really don't understand exactly [I]why[/I] they're doing it.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion[/url]

[QUOTE=isnipeu;42221828][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion[/url][/QUOTE] i have a right to think it's silly to have such an opinion, just as much as it's your right to have said opinion.

i take it everyone here talking about the incredible medical benefits of registering this guy as the mother is aware that in the case of an adoption the birth certificate is ammended to include the adoptive parents and not the biological ones right? a birth certificate is basically just proof of age and citizenship.

[QUOTE=Shadaez;42212010]If his brain is that of a mans, he is biologically a man.[/QUOTE] Ok just gonna say if you're gonna use the brain argument, his brain is that of a biological woman's. Just saying.

[QUOTE=katbug;42222662]Ok just gonna say if you're gonna use the brain argument, his brain is that of a biological woman's. Just saying.[/QUOTE] do you consider this person a man or not

[QUOTE=Shadaez;42222759]do you consider this person a man or not[/QUOTE] Absolutely I do. But using the brain is a poor argument, we do not fully understand the function of the brain, but we do understand it's form; form is biological, function, not so much.

so if this person is a man, how do you not consider their physiology that of a mans?

I don't understand why anyone would ever care what a person wants to be identified as. Unless you're all OCD spazoid biologists you shouldn't care if he's 'biologically' a man or woman. If he wants to be a man, he's a man. It really doesn't make any difference in your lives at all. Do you care what gender a dog walking down the street is? What gender a baby halfway around the world is? There are a fuckload of transgender and genderqueer people in the world and if you're going to say this guy is 'biologically' one thing or another you may as well say it to all those people too. The argument for biological gender is purely discriminatory against people who identify as their non-birth gender, and it makes you seem incredibly backward to support it. The only argument posed that even makes sense for wanting him to be his 'biological' gender is for the purposes of computer systems that can't file things otherwise but even then the systems could either be changed or if they really can't they can just process his entire record as his identified gender instead.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42218511]He obviously knows that the person in the article is trans, but he chooses to [I]deliberately[/I] call him a woman.[/QUOTE] Yeah I don't know why I posted that, ignore me

[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;42223745]If he wants to be a man, he's a man.[/QUOTE] My dreams of being an emotionless robot have never felt closer.

[QUOTE=katbug;42222662]Ok just gonna say if you're gonna use the brain argument, his brain is that of a biological woman's. Just saying.[/QUOTE] Actually probably not. Read the links I posted on the last page.