[QUOTE=cheesedelux;37616365]No, the first million is taxed at the normal rate.
1 million = 1 million
2 million = 1.25 million[/QUOTE]
there's still taxes for the first million you know
[QUOTE=Ezhik;37616281]if i work my ass off to get something, be it a yacht, or something else, and then suddenly i can't get it 'because i don't actually need it', i'm being punished.[/QUOTE]
who works harder, a foxxcon employee or the CEO of apple? they didn't work for that money. they acquiried it through a privileged lifestyle.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37616379]who works harder, a foxxcon employee or the CEO of apple? they didn't work for that money. they acquiried it through a privileged lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
ceo of apple
leading a giant corporation is harder than assembling an iphone
and they DID work for that money - apple didn't come from nowhere, you know
[QUOTE=Cheesesack;37614265]Who the hell needs more than one million a year anyway? I mean, really? I see no problem with this.[/QUOTE]
What if you want to use part of that million to fund, say, a biotech lab to research diseases that otherwise get no funding? An electron microscope can cost up to half a million dollars - Sometimes even more. A CereTom portable CT machine (If you're running a stroke therapy lab) goes for 250,000 dollars. Even a couple million dollars, after taxes, is far below the threshold where you can have a sizeable impact in the world, at least in some areas, and not every millionaire is a crazy hedonistic hoarder.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37616379]who works harder, a foxxcon employee or the CEO of apple? they didn't work for that money. they acquiried it through a privileged lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
usually the rich end up rich for a reason
for every guy who got lucky or just had rich parents, there are a few who actually worked hard to end up rich
[QUOTE=Ezhik;37616139]and?
if i want to live a life of luxury, if i can afford it after fairly earning a lot of money, why shouldn't i be able to buy two yachts?
because i don't need them? that's a bullshit reason.
i don't see why should a person limit themselves to just what they need to have.
it's that desire to have more that drives people, actually creates those millionaires.[/QUOTE]
And think of all the cuty baby hedgehogs those tax dosh is gonna be used for helping.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;37616408]ceo of apple
leading a giant corporation is harder than assembling an iphone
and they DID work for that money - apple didn't come from nowhere, you know[/QUOTE]
And did they "play" fair & square?
[QUOTE=Bobie;37616379]who works harder, a foxxcon employee or the CEO of apple? they didn't work for that money. they acquiried it through a privileged lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
this is a fallacy. hard work in and of itself is not a virtue, it's what you work [I]on[/I], and what your unique skills are. you know why that foxconn employee gets paid so little? because fucking anyone could do it. not everyone could have built Apple.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37616222]would you rather no action be taken than hollande try to close the gap?
and i would hardly call it a 'punishment' lol[/QUOTE]
If it's not a punishment, than what is it? It certainly isn't helping them, that's for sure.
[QUOTE=Van-man;37616423]And think of all the cuty baby hedgehogs those tax dosh is gonna be used for helping.[/QUOTE]
probably none at all, because hedgehog hospitals still need donations
(then i'd rather donate the money myself, rather than hope that some of my taxes get there)
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;37616252]Yes Bill Gates and Warren Buffet disagree.
Two two richest people in the world are speaking for people who have just 1 million.
They nearly have 65 BILLION dollars. The procentual difference in their wealth is larger than you and the local hobo.
A normal person who is a millionaire by hard work is not going to agree giving up 75%.
Fuck that, I wouldn't either. I'm quitting university and gonna lie down on my ass 75% of the year as well. You'd have the same net income.[/QUOTE]
I was only giving an example of people in american wanting to pay more taxes. Ofcourse I know that their case doesmt weigh op to others/
[QUOTE=Van-man;37616423]And did they "play" fair & square?[/QUOTE]
what do you mean?
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;37616435]If it's not a punishment, than what is it? It certainly isn't helping them, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]
Well with more money for healthcare, public transportation and etcetera etcetera can only be good.
Let's just hope the political situation in France isn't the same as in Italy.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;37614669]this is kind of annoying to me
if i worked hard to buy a garage full of expensive cars, i should be able to buy those fucking cars - even if i'm not going to drive them[/QUOTE]
You can't work hard enough to have that much money though. Or are you seriously suggesting that Bill Gates does many times more work than you do every single second he lives than you do in an hour at work? If you are superrich and earning 1 000 000 € per year you aren't actually working more than 20 times as hard as that guy cleaning the toilets at some fast food restaurant. I'm sure they don't have to stick their hands ellbow-deep into McDonalds-burgers induced diarrhea 45h a week.
[QUOTE=Isuzu;37614661]its cool that someones finally adressing the ones who have exploited the most but 75% is too steep and the most counterproductive thing next to killing all rich people. it will just drive rich people away and stop poor people from actually undertaking business that might make them rich out of fear of the 75% tax bash. 75% would only make sense if you made more than 1bn. A million is nothing nowadays.[/QUOTE]
Do you really think that someone would choose not becoming rich because he'd only get 1.5 million € of his 3 million € he earns every single year? Would you do that?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37616425]this is a fallacy. hard work in and of itself is not a virtue, it's what you work [I]on[/I], and what your unique skills are. you know why that foxconn employee gets paid so little? because fucking anyone could do it. not everyone could have built Apple.[/QUOTE]
its not hard work anyone could do it!!! >:(
the foxconn employees are worked to death and you know it. they do more work in a day than tim cook has done in his last 10 years, if you're also insinuating that foxconn employees are there because they don't have any 'unique skills' (lol) then you need a healthy dose of reality
Taxes =/= punishment for the rich
Taxes = money for the Government to do things with
Government needs more money. Tax the poor or middle class more? Cut programs that directly benefit the average frenchman? Or tax the few who can afford it more? This is ridiculously simple.
[QUOTE=Robber;37616482]You can't work hard enough to have that much money though. Or are you seriously suggesting that Bill Gates does many times more work than you do every single second he lives than you do in an hour at work? If you are superrich and earning 1 000 000 € per year you aren't actually working more than 20 times as hard as that guy cleaning the toilets at some fast food restaurant. I'm sure they don't have to stick their hands ellbow-deep into McDonalds-burgers induced diarrhea 45h a week.[/QUOTE]
hard work pays off
bill gates created and lead microsoft
i'm pretty fucking sure that was harder than working at mcdonalds
[QUOTE=Robber;37616482]You can't work hard enough to have that much money though. Or are you seriously suggesting that Bill Gates does many times more work than you do every single second he lives than you do in an hour at work? If you are superrich and earning 1 000 000 € per year you aren't actually working more than 20 times as hard as that guy cleaning the toilets at some fast food restaurant. I'm sure they don't have to stick their hands ellbow-deep into McDonalds-burgers induced diarrhea 45h a week.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention Bill Gates actually donated a fair chunk of his wealth to charity, did any of the Exec's at Apple?
[B]ALSO[/B] he's one of the few who agrees on this sort of tax.
He's done shit too, but at-least he's trying to amend for it.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;37616527]hard work pays off
bill gates created and lead microsoft
i'm pretty fucking sure that was harder than working at mcdonalds[/QUOTE]
More about having a great idea, playing your cards right [B]AND[/B] some luck/coincidence.
Or just being a utter dick.
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So hey, call me back in a few years when you're CEO of one of the new Fortune-500 companies.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37616379]who works harder, a foxxcon employee or the CEO of apple? they didn't work for that money. they acquiried it through a privileged lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
I hope you realize that most CEOs aren't born as CEOs. Typically it takes decades of hard-work and dedication to rise to such a prestigious job position.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;37616371]there's still taxes for the first million you know[/QUOTE]
In that case, at current sub-1 million rates...
1 million = 884.5k
2 million = 1.13 million
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;37616415]What if you want to use part of that million to fund, say, a biotech lab to research diseases that otherwise get no funding? An electron microscope can cost up to half a million dollars - Sometimes even more. A CereTom portable CT machine (If you're running a stroke therapy lab) goes for 250,000 dollars. Even a couple million dollars, after taxes, is far below the threshold where you can have a sizeable impact in the world, at least in some areas, and not every millionaire is a crazy hedonistic hoarder.[/QUOTE]
Nor is the money being sent to a big furnace shaped like Hollande's face.
You're now arguing that money should be spent on one good cause and not another. This isn't the USA we're talking about, this tax money is (largely) not going to be spent on explosions.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37616499]its not hard work anyone could do it!!! >:(
the foxconn employees are worked to death and you know it. they do more work in a day than tim cook has done in his last 10 years, if you're also insinuating that foxconn employees are there because they don't have any 'unique skills' (lol) then you need a healthy dose of reality[/QUOTE]
hahahaha what
trust me
being a ceo is harder than assembling iphones
do you really think that leaving A GIANT CORPORATION is easier?
in the world where one wrong word could cost the company BILLIONS?
Think of taxation as a kind donation tot he government for it to do good works with on behalf of the people who cannot do everything for themselves.
In fact, the donation is so nice, that you are not nice enough to do it voluntarily. So they just use the money better than you could have.
And so the cogs of life turn as they have for thousands of years.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;37616566]hahahaha what
trust me
being a ceo is harder than assembling iphones
do you really think that leaving A GIANT CORPORATION is easier?
in the world where one wrong word could cost the company BILLIONS?[/QUOTE]
You're cute when you're being ignorant, you know that?
[QUOTE=Ezhik;37616566]hahahaha what
trust me
being a ceo is harder than assembling iphones
do you really think that leaving A GIANT CORPORATION is easier?
in the world where one wrong word could cost the company BILLIONS?[/QUOTE]
yeah having billions in swiss bank accounts to fall on and live on for the rest of your life must be so horrible and stressful i feel so bad for them
those foxconn employees have it so easy with their incredibly high suicide rate
Yeah the guy who thought of New Coke probably made billions of dollars just disappear.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37616499]its not hard work anyone could do it!!! >:(
the foxconn employees are worked to death and you know it. they do more work in a day than tim cook has done in his last 10 years, if you're also insinuating that foxconn employees are there because they don't have any 'unique skills' (lol) then you need a healthy dose of reality[/QUOTE]
ugh you're not even reading what i said
yes. foxconn workers work hard. so? is merit purely from hard work alone? should I pay more money to less intelligent people for the same work because it's harder for them? no. they're paid low wages because it's not particularly skilled labor and that's the end of it.
it's not politically palatable but i'll say it:
CEOs and directors of companies are, by and large: more intelligent than you, more competent than you, more creative than you, more valuable than you. that's why they're paid more.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37616586]yeah having billions in swiss bank accounts to fall on and live on for the rest of your life must be so horrible and stressful i feel so bad for them
those foxconn employees have it so easy with their incredibly high suicide rate[/QUOTE]
so i should give up all that i worked for because poor foxconn employees are in trouble
because since i have a higher wage, all my work is easier than doing the same thing again and again
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;37616415]What if you want to use part of that million to fund, say, a biotech lab to research diseases that otherwise get no funding? An electron microscope can cost up to half a million dollars - Sometimes even more. A CereTom portable CT machine (If you're running a stroke therapy lab) goes for 250,000 dollars. Even a couple million dollars, after taxes, is far below the threshold where you can have a sizeable impact in the world, at least in some areas, and not every millionaire is a crazy hedonistic hoarder.[/QUOTE]
Investments like that are tax deductable. Ofcourse that won't get your 75% income tax back but it will get you an extra 20% tax back.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37616636]ugh you're not even reading what i said
yes. foxconn workers work hard. so? is merit purely from hard work alone?[B] should I pay more money to less intelligent people for the same work because it's harder for them?[/B] no. they're paid low wages because it's not particularly skilled labor and that's the end of it.[/QUOTE]
yes. you should. because there is a huge majority of people on this planet with a terrible standard of living, [I]because[/I] of the distribution of wealth. billionaires that hoard all of their money in yachts and bank accounts deserve their standard of living as much as a 'less intelligent' man being worked to the brink of suicide.
please don't try and give me that 'THEY'RE FUCKING STUPID IN COMPARISON THAT'S WHY THEY GET THAT STANDARD OF LIVING!' argument, because intelligence is merely a conditioned factor in society. it is not some special A* individual thing
i have alot of fans so its difficult to answer you all.
[QUOTE=Bobie;37616697]yes. you should. because there is a huge majority of people on this planet with a terrible standard of living, [i]because[/i] of the distribution of wealth. billionaires that hoard all of their money in yachts and bank accounts deserve their standard of living as much as a 'less intelligent' man being worked to the brink of suicide.
i have alot of fans so its difficult to answer you all.[/QUOTE]
does the word "meritocracy" mean anything to you
i dislike this story but it's so bloody relevant that I have to [url=http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html]link it[/url]
Let those who control the economy pay the price for the Euro crisis they caused.
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