[QUOTE=OvB;29874458]Do you remember being a sperm? Then you won't know even know you existed once you die. There will be nothing.[/QUOTE]
That's the scariest part! :ohdear:
Grow some balls and deal with it.
Guys, I think the world is gonna end, because the first page of this thread actually had FP Atheists being reasonable.
Transhumanism is the way to go obviously.
[QUOTE=critein_protein;29870516]Spoken like a true atheist.[/QUOTE]
:frog:
Good for him.
[QUOTE=Melnek;29872014]You mean the exact same camps that teach the kids that our lord and savior Jesus Christ is someone we should adore and cherish until the day we die, and that all other religions are false and stupid? I brought it up because it's one of the (arguably many) ugly faces of religion.[/QUOTE]
How common do you think these "brainwash camps" are? You're acting like all religious people send their children off to indoctrination camps.
I have no fucking idea why but i coulda sworn he was dead :psyduck:
[QUOTE] I regard the brain as a computer[/QUOTE]
Problem, non-transhumanists? :smug:
[QUOTE=OvB;29873058]We are biological computers, It's not that hard to understand. There is no soul. When you die you seize to exist, your body lets off a huge dose of DMT (it's a psychedelic drug) which is the same chemical that makes you dream. This high is what gives people those out of body experiences when they have near death experiences. If you don't cling onto life and claim what you saw in your massive DMT rush as a religious experience you simply drift off into a dream world until your body literally shuts down. Your brain dies, you die, you seize to exist and you have no way of ever knowing you existed. You are no more. Can you remember how you were before birth? This is the most logical explanation.[/QUOTE]
The DMT thing is barely a hypothesis and certainly hasn't been proven in any studies. Don't combat scientific ignorance with more scientific ignorance. The rest of your post is right, the brain does go into a dreamlike state but DMT is only a theorized cause.
I'm sure you got that from Wikipedia which is where I learned the hypothesis from. Read the first sentence in the section:
[quote]Several [B]speculative[/B] and yet [B]untested hypotheses[/B] suggest that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous"]endogenous[/URL] DMT is produced in the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain"]human brain[/URL] and is involved in certain [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology"]psychological[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurology"]neurological[/URL] states.[/quote]More relevant: [quote]Dr. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Strassman"]Rick Strassman[/URL], while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_New_Mexico"]University of New Mexico[/URL], advanced the [B]controversial hypothesis [/B]that a massive release of DMT from the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland"]pineal gland[/URL] prior to death or near death was the cause of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience"]near death experience[/URL] (NDE) phenomenon.[/quote]I just get pissed when people say shit that they misinterpreted no matter what it's about.
[QUOTE=RBM11;29875051]The DMT thing is barely a hypothesis and certainly hasn't been proven in any studies. Don't combat scientific ignorance with more scientific ignorance. The rest of your post is right, the brain does go into a dreamlike state but DMT is only a theorized cause.
I'm sure you got that from Wikipedia which is where I learned the hypothesis from. Read the first sentence in the section:
More relevant: I just get pissed when people say shit that they misinterpreted no matter what it's about.[/QUOTE]
I actually heard of the DMT rush from other things, not Wikipedia. Can't name names because it was awhile ago. I usually only use wiki when i'm not 100% sure what I'm saying is true/can't remember EVERYTHING about a certain thing. I'll look on wiki to see if it says what I'm thinking or not, then check the other sources. I didn't do this in this case because I thought the DMT thing was pretty much known.
[QUOTE=RBM11;29875051]The DMT thing is barely a hypothesis and certainly hasn't been proven in any studies. Don't combat scientific ignorance with more scientific ignorance. The rest of your post is right, the brain does go into a dreamlike state but DMT is only a theorized cause.
I'm sure you got that from Wikipedia which is where I learned the hypothesis from. Read the first sentence in the section:
More relevant: I just get pissed when people say shit that they misinterpreted no matter what it's about.[/QUOTE]
Seems reasonable if you know the power of DMT.
The problem here is that everyone is an idiot, nobody knows the very much of any truth, and those that do can't tell anyone since it is both difficult to know, difficult to understand, and difficult to accept. You do not know anything more than you have experienced, and even then you don't fully understand everything you have experienced since you cannot see from all sides of every situation.
No man should claim to know more than they do. Stephen Hawking should not make claims of truth about anything beyond what he has studied scientifically. Science is a progression of understanding of natural phenomena, and is nowhere near complete. He may say "science will win out" and he may be right, because religion doesn't have that same type of progression, but he should not dare say that what is "supernatural" does not exist. There is simply no easy way to study what is "supernatural" since it can hide. Do you think a god would reveal itself to the methods we would use to examine it? Do you think that an omniscient, omnipotent being would not find a way to keep us from knowing if it didn't want us to know about it like that? You cannot bind a being of that variety to any form of "logic" that we use, since who knows what the thought processes of a god are?
People tend to assume that when a god is mentioned that it is the one from the Bible, and have all their arguments prepared to debunk that specific god, when what is really the case could be far less nice.
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;29870919]Well neither is really "correct".[/QUOTE]
Schrödinger's God.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29870891]Nope that'll all still be there. People will still hate others for stupid reasons.[/QUOTE]
noe butt religun causez it al!
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;29875545]Seems reasonable if you know the power of DMT.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. As a very active lucid dreamer, I know the power of the brain all too well. When you get a good quality lucid dream, it feels exactly like real life. Down to the tiniest details and working senses. I wouldn't be surprised at all if DMT was the thing causing vivid near death experiences, as the stuff that I've experienced in lucid dreams is absolutely breathtaking and some could easily intepret them as religious. Like a controlled DMT trip.
Hell, I once spent like five minutes in a lucid dream slapping a wooden table muttering to myself about how absolutely realistic it felt.
As what comes to afterlife though, I don't know. No one does. I tend to lean towards "yes" ever so slightly but we'll only find out when we die.
Lucid dreams are awesome but I almost always wake up from them with sleep paralysis which is incredibly scary
[QUOTE=Sanius;29876137]Lucid dreams are awesome but I almost always wake up from them with sleep paralysis which is incredibly scary[/QUOTE]
You can get out of sleep paralysis by changing your breathing pattern.
The last thing I tend to think about when I'm experiencing sleep paralysis is anything related to breathing patterns
[quote]Stephen Hawking says afterlife is a "fairy story"[/quote]
Well no shit.
[editline]16th May 2011[/editline]
How is this news?
[QUOTE=Sanius;29876221]The last thing I tend to think about when I'm experiencing sleep paralysis is anything related to breathing patterns[/QUOTE]
Well consider it next time.
[QUOTE=Orkel;29876049]Yeah. As a very active lucid dreamer, I know the power of the brain all too well. When you get a good quality lucid dream, it feels exactly like real life. Down to the tiniest details and working senses. I wouldn't be surprised at all if DMT was the thing causing vivid near death experiences, as the stuff that I've experienced in lucid dreams is absolutely breathtaking and some could easily intepret them as religious. Like a controlled DMT trip.
Hell, I once spent like five minutes in a lucid dream slapping a wooden table muttering to myself about how absolutely realistic it felt.
As what comes to afterlife though, I don't know. No one does. I tend to lean towards "yes" ever so slightly but we'll only find out when we die.[/QUOTE]
Teach me how, sensei.
[QUOTE=OvB;29876309]Teach me how, sensei.[/QUOTE]
I always hear these stories and think "Imma go lucid dreaming now!" but I fail at it so hard.
Possibly the most sure way to have a lucid dream is through the WILD method (wake-induced lucid dream). Basically, you just lay on your back and go to sleep, but don't move at all. You'll eventually feel a strong tingling sensation throughout your body as your body goes into "sleep mode" while your brain is still awake, then a bunch of weird shit happens. It can either be very scary or very awesome depending on how calm you are.
I'm not sure if I agree with Mr. Hawking. I don't believe in the heaven/hell concept, but I won't rule out the possibility of an afterlife.
I do fear the lack of afterlife though. The end of "me" is scary, but then again, I won't be around to think about it.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;29876463]I'm not sure if I agree with Mr. Hawking. I don't believe in the heaven/hell concept, but I won't rule out the possibility of an afterlife.
I do fear the lack of afterlife though. The end of "me" is scary, but then again, I won't be around to think about it.[/QUOTE]
I always think of the possibility that all life is recycled and that there is always the same amount of life. You die you are reborn as something else. Yes reincarnation is what I'm leaning toward.
This shit got old ages ago, Stevie. It's time to stop being a media whore.
I find life hard to enjoy when society is surrounded by death
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;29870857]You can't disprove or prove the existence of god or an afterlife, not with the information we have, so scientifically agnosticism is correct not atheism.[/QUOTE]
I feel like the fact that there are thousands of different gods according to many religions, that never really are the same God. I guess monotheistic religions are more of the same god, but there are hundreds of different types of religions with many gods, why is our god system more reputable? It isn't.
[QUOTE=Gaza Pen Pal;29871008]Atheism is the belief that there is no god, it is currently impossible to prove that there is no god just in the same way that there isn't definitive proof that god exists.
Ironically atheists are just as ignorant as the religious that they mock.[/QUOTE]
Using that logic makes it impossible to 'prove' any ridiculous theory. I could say that there's a invisible flying spaghetti monster floating in space; which cannot be proved or disproved, but we both know that it's not true, we have to set a standard to what we believe in with no evidence.
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