Russia jails 3 women for twerking next to WWII memorial - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47603360]How about you just respect memorials[/QUOTE] Disrespecting memorials shouldn't be illegal.

I can see how this is disrespectful, and don't see anything wrong with punishment, although I think it should rather be in form of a fine or community service. Jailtime, even if only 15 dsys, is overkill.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47603379]I think I agree with your point, however the question is where to draw the line. What if they would've done a porn shoot with that memorial very obviously in the background, or BEING the background even.[/QUOTE] Well I assume shooting porn in public is already illegal so that's it. But if you're not damaging the memorial and aren't doing something that would be illegal regardless of the memorial being there I don't see why you should get arrested.

[QUOTE=Explosions;47603413]1. How was this even disrespectful? 2. They should have the right to go out of their way to purposely disrespect the memorial if they wanted to. Being jailed for anti government speech (which is essentially what this is) is an atrocious breach of free expression.[/QUOTE] in the end it's all the same, either it's outright denied to you like this or you can speak against the government and get nothing done sides of coins etc

That's an awesome memorial though.

[QUOTE=Explosions;47603433]Obviously these women didn't think so. Is their expression invalid because of "Eastern European culture" or whatever bullshit excuse you want to make for this? Why do people need to obey by some arbitrary cultural standards anyway, even if they do exist?[/QUOTE] You should organize a dance party or something in front of the 9/11 memorial, to demonstrate the freedom of expression and how tolerant Americans are.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;47603830]You should organize a dance party or something in front of the 9/11 memorial, to demonstrate the freedom of expression and how tolerant Americans are.[/QUOTE] Loads of monuments and memorials are portrayed without context to the subject, or even contempt to the state, in American music videos. Statue of liberty, Washington monument, Lincoln memorial, that Vietnam wall thingy with all the names on it I think I've seen. It's not uncommon, hon.

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;47603360]How about you just respect memorials[/QUOTE] Being arrested and fined for this is obviously a balanced and just response, and a great use of police time. The police could be out doing something actually useful, instead of arresting people for dancing.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;47603830]You should organize a dance party or something in front of the 9/11 memorial, to demonstrate the freedom of expression and how tolerant Americans are.[/QUOTE] Nothing would happen and I certainly wouldn't be thrown in jail for any amount of time.

yup, right after the "underage girls twerking" incident this happens, ofcourse everyone jumped at those girls and gave unapropriate reaction. Basically we just had similar accident with school play that raised huge shitstorm, soo this surfacing up right after just added up. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQbDmCKGtuU[/media] as it was said, fine would be more aproriate reaction, but since everybody is on "everything regarding twerking will be seen as bad for next few months due to first incident getting attention" bandwagon it should be expected. soo it's not a police state, it's more of a crowd mentality pressing on officials to react. [B]BAN TWERKING NAW![/B] On a slightly more serious note, it's memorial site's administartion and security who should be punished for not giving a fuck what happens at their territory. They could've prevented incident in a first place or simply provide official approval for screening, something that is required to film on historical sites. But [I]noooo[/I] they were probably too busy doing something shady elsewhere.

i love how the video says erotic dance on the memorial

[QUOTE=Big Johnson;47603506]If you can't figure out why this is disrespectful then you're probably autistic[/QUOTE] not giving shit about trivial stuff is suddenly being autistic just not long ago in a thread about lowest graphics gta v images I said that the article was dumb and people called me salty. gimmick words everywhere. [editline]26th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=karimatrix;47604129]yup, right after the "underage girls twerking" incident this happens, ofcourse everyone jumped at those girls and gave unapropriate reaction. Basically we just had similar accident with school play that raised huge shitstorm, soo this surfacing up right after just added up. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQbDmCKGtuU[/media] as it was said, fine would be more aproriate reaction, but since everybody is on "everything regarding twerking will be seen as bad for next few months due to first incident getting attention" bandwagon it should be expected. soo it's not a police state, it's more of a crowd mentality pressing on officials to react. [B]BAN TWERKING NAW![/B] On a slightly more serious note, it's memorial site's administartion and security who should be punished for not giving a fuck what happens at their territory. They could've prevented incident in a first place or simply provide official approval for screening, something that is required to film on historical sites. But [I]noooo[/I] they were probably too busy doing something shady elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Watching that video made me sick.

Why are we fighting, both sides in this are retarded as fuck.

[QUOTE=Virtanen;47604255]Why are we fighting, both sides in this are retarded as fuck.[/QUOTE] I guess the "fighting" is only happening because people did not knew about similar incident that led to over top social shitstorm regarding twerking girls videos, neither did they account for a trending over protective aproach toward WW2 iconic sites and memorials as 9th may date closes in, therefore aproaching this as outcry civil rights violation by evil evil polie state, rather than a logical follow up to people going bonkers over projecting certain issues. Nobody in goverment would not give a fuck to some girls dance if it was not for massive attention by social media. Worse things happened and gone unnoticed. Both sides are indeed dumb, and those sides are witch hunting society and irresponsible officials. Everything else, is but a consequence of those two sides doing their worst.

[QUOTE=Explosions;47604110]Nothing would happen and I certainly wouldn't be thrown in jail for any amount of time.[/QUOTE] Wow, that's pretty fucked up

[QUOTE=proch;47605518]Wow, that's pretty fucked up[/QUOTE] How is that fucked up?

Am I like the only one who cringes about twerking? It doesn't even look good at all and reminds me more about seizures or something.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;47604129]yup, right after the "underage girls twerking" incident this happens, ofcourse everyone jumped at those girls and gave unapropriate reaction. Basically we just had similar accident with school play that raised huge shitstorm, soo this surfacing up right after just added up. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQbDmCKGtuU[/media] as it was said, fine would be more aproriate reaction, but since everybody is on "everything regarding twerking will be seen as bad for next few months due to first incident getting attention" bandwagon it should be expected. soo it's not a police state, it's more of a crowd mentality pressing on officials to react. [B]BAN TWERKING NAW![/B] On a slightly more serious note, it's memorial site's administartion and security who should be punished for not giving a fuck what happens at their territory. They could've prevented incident in a first place or simply provide official approval for screening, something that is required to film on historical sites. But [I]noooo[/I] they were probably too busy doing something shady elsewhere.[/QUOTE] I lost my shit at the mother escaping with her child [img]http://i.imgur.com/PyOtZt0.png[/img] It's like a fight

I think it's disrespectful but I don't think it's worthy of jail time.

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;47605559]How is that fucked up?[/QUOTE] My point is that it's a matter of mentality, and the mentality between the US and Russia/eastern Europe in general is really different. While Western Europe is very Americanized, the east is still very different, despite all the McDonalds and whatnot.

[QUOTE=proch;47605725]My point is that it's a matter of mentality, and the mentality between the US and Russia/eastern Europe in general is really different. While Western Europe is very Americanized, the east is still very different, despite all the McDonalds and whatnot.[/QUOTE] I would like to know more. The difference s in general.

[QUOTE=CrossTownNews;47605982]I would like to know more. The difference s in general.[/QUOTE] More "straight to the point" and brutal honesty about life in general and none of the sjw bullshit crap, for starters. Beating your child (not punching face but using belt on the ass method) for doing dumb shit you were aware of, that sort of stuff. Usually being more mentally stable yet apathetic. I am really bad at talking about vague topics, so it's best if someone else does that or if you ask about particular points.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47606255]More "straight to the point" and brutal honesty about life in general and none of the sjw bullshit crap, for starters. Beating your child (not punching face but using belt on the ass method) for doing dumb shit you were aware of, that sort of stuff. Usually being more mentally stable yet apathetic. I am really bad at talking about vague topics, so it's best if someone else does that or if you ask about particular points.[/QUOTE] If child abuse is the best example of this supposed difference in values, I'm not very interested in hearing more. Is rampant racism and homophobia also part of this difference? On second thought, maybe you are right about Eastern Europe.

[QUOTE=Explosions;47606322]If child abuse is the best example of this supposed difference in values, I'm not very interested in hearing more. Is rampant racism and homophobia also part of this difference? On second thought, maybe you are right about Eastern Europe.[/QUOTE] You see, that's the thing, people do not consider that here child abuse, more like a punishment. It's part of the mentality Western people would never be able to understand. As I've said, Russian mentality is more apathetic and cold, if your child steals candy from local convenience store and you tell him what he's doing is wrong and why doesn't always work. Russian mentality is a stubborn one, that is why it requires people to be led with iron grip in order to remain successful (predates from Mongol-Tatar invasion of Russia, and since then, every ruler in Russia, starting from Ivan the Terrible, going into Peter the Great, Catherine the Second, Alexander Third, Lenin, Stalin, Putin). Moving on that point, I've also been beaten by my Dad a couple of times because I didn't commit to my promises and lied to him a lot. Even though I still do, if he didn't teach me those lessons I'd be even shittier person than I am today, and for that I respect him. I've no idea about rampant racism, I come from Estonia myself, not Russia, but Russians in S-Petersburg, Moscow and other big city hubs see Caucasians (from Caucasus, not white people) in negative light due to the fact they, like most immigrants in, say, Sweden or Germany, just sit on welfare (which is next to shit, btw), do less-than-nothing to contribute to society, outright criminals and with mentality that rivals Italians. My friend has been to S-Petersburg this winter, when he was walking around the city, some two Caucasians pulled over and "asked for directions", then asked what were they doing themselves in the city and started small-talking, it later escalated into "oh, you did judo? have you seen this trick", yadda yadda, then they promptly left. My said friend was left without a wallet. Aaaand the list goes on. Homophobia is a very foreign subject to Russia because for a long time it was very unheard of. I believe in USSR (might be wrong) anyone who was "homosexual" was heavily reprimanded and "re-educated", it was propagated that its very unnatural and a heavy mental disorder than should be fixed - that idea stuck to the minds, I guess. Sorry for long posts, just my two cents, I to be honest do not care about a lot of this stuff.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47606255]Beating your child (not punching face but using belt on the ass method) for doing dumb shit you were aware of, that sort of stuff. [/QUOTE] Sure I can only speak for me and my friends, but i've never seen this kind of stuff. Probably in some dysfunctional families this can be treated as a normal thing, and sure we here in russia don't have this level of child protection services as they have there in the us\western eu, but don't extrapolate this to every family living in eastern europe\russia. As for the topic, i don't really care about monuments (wel,l i actually care, but only from the architectural point of view). I respect people. But these girls were aware how most people can react to their dance, and doing this with all this Victory day stuff near at hand is just dumb.

Reactionary response against action that didn't do anything illegal (at least to my best knowledge of current Russian law), ended up causing someone to go to jail? You know, for all the "Strong Leader for the Dumb Flock" thing going on in Russia for centuries, the leaders still allow the people to act out in regards to their own accord, as long as it doesn't get in the way of leader's agenda. So, no matter how strong the leader is, at the end of the day, the people are still gonna be stuck with outdated mindset. There shouldn't be a legal precedent for anyone to get into trouble if someone gets offended.

[QUOTE=antianan;47606974]Sure I can only speak for me and my friends, but i've never seen this kind of stuff. Probably in some dysfunctional families this can be treated as a normal thing, and sure we here in russia don't have this level of child protection services as they have there in the us\western eu, but don't extrapolate this to every family living in eastern europe\russia.[/QUOTE] Over here it's a sort of threat you say to your kids. "If you don't behave I'll slap your ass with my belt" or something along those lines. Everyone I know was told this at some point but not one was actually physically harmed. [editline]27th April 2015[/editline] I do not agree with physical punishment for kids as all it does is teach to respect people who abuse them.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47604234] Watching that video made me sick.[/QUOTE] Really? Sick? It doesn't look much worse than American cheerleading. In fact, they show less skin than American teen cheerleaders.

I think it's disrespectful but jail time is a little excessive IMO

That wasn't even twerking though. This is twerking: [video=youtube;jTM09I2_oR4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTM09I2_oR4[/video]