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[QUOTE=Jamsponge;42517346]Never understood why any self-respecting Russian would associate with the Nazi party. You'd think Fascist would be a less 'evil' term considering what the Nazis did to the Soviet Union with Operation Barbarossa.[/QUOTE] neo nazism isn't about the nazi party. neo nazism is an extension of "national socialist" ideology that was popularized hitler. a jew could technically be a neo nazi. national socialism doesn't say "aryans" are the greatest race, it says that your nationality/race is the best nationality/race and everyone else should be segregated or persecuted. a jewish neo nazi would believed jews are the best and everyone else should submit to jewish rule, a russian neo nazi would think russians or whites are the best. at least that's my limited understanding of national socialist ideology today.
And I would say that you are retarded for calling them fascists. [quote]fas·cism noun \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\ : a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government : very harsh control or authority [/quote] Many of them don't support any form of authority at all, some of them are actually anarchist, which is the exact opposite to fascism. [editline]14th October 2013[/editline] mah auto merge
also generally the neo nazi is part of the majority of the country from what i'v seen. blacks wouldn't be neo nazis in the usa(they would be very extreme black nationalists), that's generally ol' whitey's job. [editline]14th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42518386]And I would say that you are retarded for calling them fascists. Many of them don't support any form of authority at all, some of them are actually anarchist, which is the exact opposite to fascism. [editline]14th October 2013[/editline] mah auto merge[/QUOTE] part of national socialist ideology is strong state that works on behalf of the "nation"(in this case the white nation). i doubt many neo nazis are in favor of anarchist principles, although a few in the usa might be ancap or libertarian right.
[QUOTE=thisispain;42517502]Russians didnt experience that regime. for angry youth who see communism and the strongly post-communist society as a threat to themselves it would only be natural for Nazi-ism to seem like a good thing keep in mind nazi-ism is designed to be appealing[/QUOTE] You'd be suprised, Russian nationalists who would typically be fascists are often oddly leftist due to the countries history. [img]http://nazbol.cc/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/1965125.jpg[/img] [img]http://exile.ru/transient/278/lemon_national-bolsheviks.jpg[/img] [img]http://rt.com/files/news/national-bolsheviks-destiny-to-be-known-next-month/466e8dcb290b9.si.jpeg[/img] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism[/url] It's fucking weird.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42518389]also generally the neo nazi is part of the majority of the country from what i'v seen. blacks wouldn't be neo nazis in the usa(they would be very extreme black nationalists), that's generally ol' whitey's job. [editline]14th October 2013[/editline] part of national socialist ideology is strong state that works on behalf of the "nation"(in this case the white nation). i doubt many neo nazis are in favor of anarchist principles, although a few in the usa might be ancap or libertarian right.[/QUOTE] That coincides with their primary concern - the national purity of the country. Means for their cause. They are ultra-nationalist first, fascist second, as result of it.
oh those silly russians when those nazis videotape executing of immigrants whose familes get only consolidation and nothing is done about it but when immigrant stabs someone they raise all hell over it
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;42518405]You'd be suprised, Russian nationalists who would typically be fascists are often oddly leftist due to the countries history. [IMG]http://nazbol.cc/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/1965125.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://exile.ru/transient/278/lemon_national-bolsheviks.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://rt.com/files/news/national-bolsheviks-destiny-to-be-known-next-month/466e8dcb290b9.si.jpeg[/IMG] [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism[/URL] It's fucking weird.[/QUOTE] many of the early members of both the nazi party and iirc national fascist party back when fascism was on the rise were communists and socialists. fascism and national socialism take a lot of ideas from leftist thought, merge it with rightist thought, throw in nationalism/strong statist pride, and combine into this weird monstrosity. [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42518415]That coincides with their primary concern - the national purity of the country. Means for their cause. They are ultra-nationalist first, fascist second, as result of it.[/QUOTE] yea but it would still be incredibly odd for one to be an outright anarchist, even an ancap. i mean it would seem like some state would be needed at some level to work towards national purity.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42518438] yea but it would still be incredibly odd for one to be an outright anarchist, even an ancap. i mean it would seem like some state would be needed at some level to work towards national purity.[/QUOTE] That's right, but it wasn't my original point. I was saying that it makes more sense to call these people with a nationalism related term rather than fascism related one, as the is common but not granted while the prior is what really puts them together.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;42518451]That's right, but it wasn't my original point. I was saying that it makes more sense to call these people with a nationalism related term rather than fascism related one, as the is common but not granted while the prior is what really puts them together.[/QUOTE] it's generally associated because national socialism is an offshoot of fascism. national socialism is the offspring of fascism so it's easy to relate the two from a historical perspective. [editline]14th October 2013[/editline] hell, most use the term interchangeably, and even use the term to describe groups and peoples that don't outwardly claim to be either.
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