• Calderon urges Congress to reinstate ban on assault weapons
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[QUOTE=Mudbone;22068965]I don't really feel safe when I ride the bus knowing everyone may be armed.[/QUOTE] You are obviously unaware of the fact that CCP holders are among the most law-abiding people on Earth.
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;22068996] lack of education, [/QUOTE] IS THAT NOT WHAT I JUST SAID! and yes it is guns. Without a gun if someone wants to rob me for say my Ipod their going to have to physically take it from me and im not about to give it up. However if they just stick a gun in my face. That Ipod inset worth my life. Even if I did also have a gun im not about to get into a shootout over a stupid mp3 player or a few hundred bucks in my wallet.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22069074]IS THAT NOT WHAT I JUST SAID! and yes it is guns. Without a gun if someone wants to rob me for say my Ipod their going to have to physically take it from me and im not about to give it up. However if they just stick a gun in my face. That Ipod inset worth my life. Even if I did also have a gun im not about to get into a shootout over a stupid mp3 player or a few hundred bucks in my wallet.[/QUOTE] Or they could use a large knife, or even an antique sword. Face it, what if it's a 300 pound thug? He could probably beat you to death. Will you give it up then?
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22069074]IS THAT NOT WHAT I JUST SAID! and yes it is guns. Without a gun if someone wants to rob me for say my Ipod their going to have to physically take it from me and im not about to give it up. However if they just stick a gun in my face. That Ipod inset worth my life. Even if I did also have a gun im not about to get into a shootout over a stupid mp3 player or a few hundred bucks in my wallet.[/QUOTE] What if they stuck a knife in your face? Besides, just because you wouldn't fight back and are fine with being victimized doesn't mean others won't want to, or shouldn't, fight back. All your ideas would accomplish is a world in which the innocent are to afraid of the criminals to do shit.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22069204]Or they could use a large knife, or even an antique sword. Face it, what if it's a 300 pound thug? He could probably beat you to death. Will you give it up then?[/QUOTE] no. a bruise and black eye will heal. A hole in my brain wont. I also cary a knife. mostly because its a tool and I never have one when I need one its nothing big just a folding knife palm size but if someone wants to go with fists and rob me im more then willing to accommodate. Ive done it before vs 2 people who tried to rob me. I Dident Bruce lee their ass I got beat up bad but I held on until some other people scared them away and they got nothing from me.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22069295]no. a bruise and black eye will heal. A hole in my brain wont. I also cary a knife. mostly because its a tool and I never have one when I need one its nothing big just a folding knife palm size but if someone wants to go with fists and rob me im more then willing to accommodate. Ive done it before vs 2 people who tried to rob me. I Didn't Bruce lee their ass I got beat up bad but I held on until some other people scared them away and they got nothing from me.[/QUOTE] What if nobody comes to help you? What if they're just malicious individuals who decide to kill you because they have no value for human life? Wait wait, wait. You want to lead me down this path. If we ban guns, what makes you think criminals would even turn them in? That's what they do; they're [I]criminals.[/I] They could give less of a shit about the law.
Mudborn, just answer this question: How would banning guns be beneficial in any way?
If mudbone had a concealed carry permit, when he gets robbed he can pull out his gun. But that makes him criminal scum.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;22070011]If mudbone had a concealed carry permit, when he gets robbed he can pull out his gun. But that makes him criminal scum.[/QUOTE] [img]http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs43/f/2009/128/7/b/STOP_RIGHT_THERE_CRIMNAL_SCUM_by_Bedbug200.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22069490]Mudborn, just answer this question: How would banning guns be beneficial in any way?[/QUOTE] back I was eating lunch. How wouldn't it. Theres places in this country where people are afraid to walk down the street. Its so easy for anyone to find a gun pick it up and go start shooting people. Guns are banned in other countrys and their fine without them and they don't have the monstrous murder rates we have. Yes even if guns are banned some criminals will still have access to them but if it lowers crime even a little bit and puts these people in jail for even a little bit longer then why not? I'm not saying ban hunting rifles or anything like that, I just see no reason someone NEEDS to own an assault rifle unless their in the military or a police officer.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22070463]How wouldn't it. Theres places in this country where people are afraid to walk down the street. Its so easy for anyone to find a gun pick it up and go start shooting people.[/QUOTE] Because I can completely just walk along and find a gun on the sidewalk in any place in America, right?
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22070463]back I was eating lunch. How wouldn't it. Theres places in this country where people are afraid to walk down the street. Its so easy for anyone to find a gun pick it up and go start shooting people. Guns are banned in other countrys and their fine without them and they don't have the monstrous murder rates we have. Yes even if guns are banned some criminals will still have access to them but if it lowers crime even a little bit and puts these people in jail for even a little bit longer then why not? I'm not saying ban hunting rifles or anything like that, I just see no reason someone NEEDS to own an assault rifle unless their in the military or a police officer.[/QUOTE] How do you get guns out of the criminals hands? Do you just expect them to turn them all in? It won't lower crime rate at all. It would raise it because suddenly more people are committing a crime to hold on to a right. Let me fetch some posts that prove how stupid you are. [editline]02:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21973938]Lets assume you're right, and that guns are bad and should be banned unequivacally. How do we go about this? Do we take them all away forcibly? Do you not see the problem? Do you ask for them politely? Do you not see the problem? What do you do? You can't very well leave them in that state can you? Do you not see the problem with this? Guns will not be able to be removed by just a ban. Criminals aren't going to follow a gun law just because it's a gun law, suddenly, all of those legal guns become illegal and a black market/prohibition situation is set up, and things are worse than before.[/QUOTE] [editline]02:59PM[/editline] You're implying [b]PROHIBITIONS ARE GOOD AND WORK.[/b] They have, for all intents and purposes been proven to never work. They fail. Every time. A prohibition just creates more problems.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22070515]Because I can completely just walk along and find a gun on the sidewalk in any place in America, right?[/QUOTE] You would be surprised actually. Gang members are known to hide guns in bushes at hangout spots or under dumpsters but that beside the point. What im saying is that tons of people have guns and even if you don't Im pretty sure you know someone who does. A lot of the people with criminal records that get guns steal them from friends or family or have them buy them for them. This is the reality there just aren't that many illegal arms dealers running around anymore.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22070651]You would be surprised actually. Gang members are known to hide guns in bushes at hangout spots or under dumpsters but that beside the point. What im saying is that tons of people have guns and even if you don't Im pretty sure you know someone who does. A lot of the people with criminal records that get guns steal them from friends or family or have them buy them for them. This is the reality there just aren't that many illegal arms dealers running around anymore.[/QUOTE] And you're suggesting these people will hand those guns over when we just, i dunno, impose a ban on them? No. Guns will only leave the hands of law abiding citizens. The criminals will still be armed, the criminals will not care. You're asking criminals to follow a law.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22070671]And you're suggesting these people will hand those guns over when we just, i dunno, impose a ban on them? No. Guns will only leave the hands of law abiding citizens. The criminals will still be armed, the criminals will not care. You're asking criminals to follow a law.[/QUOTE] They would hand them over if you threaten a minimum say 10 years for being caught with an illegal gun? A few people get put away then word gets around the law is firm.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22070740]They would hand them over if you threaten a minimum say 10 years for being caught with an illegal gun? A few people get put away then word gets around the law is firm.[/QUOTE] What. Chances are a criminal would be mugging people/houses with said illegal guns and 10 years would be nothing compared to the more major charges that would be pressed against them. All that would do would be to punish the legit citizens who have not been involved in any crime.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22070740]They would hand them over if you threaten a minimum say 10 years for being caught with an illegal gun? A few people get put away then word gets around the law is firm.[/QUOTE] ...Are you 12? Because you're as naive as ANY 12 year old i've ever seen. No, that won't happen. You're fucking stupid. Clearly. [editline]03:18PM[/editline] Criminals following a law? That's the definition of idiocy. They're criminals for a reason.
Hmmm, two points to make here. A: Your country is a corrupt shithole due to you and your government's incompetence, and thus you don't have any place trying to tell us how to run things. B: Banning assault weapons here just means your criminals will get them elsewhere.
[IMG]http://rlv.zcache.com/the_right_to_bare_arms_attitude_tank_top_tshirt-p235789013987492367uy52_400.jpg[/IMG] They are taking away our riiiiights.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;22070938]B: Banning assault weapons here just means your criminals will get them elsewhere.[/QUOTE] For once, we are in agreement.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22071202]For once, we are in agreement.[/QUOTE] I think the only thing I agree with you on is firearms. :colbert:
Stay safe, stay second amendment.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22070867]...Are you 12? Because you're as naive as ANY 12 year old i've ever seen. No, that won't happen. You're fucking stupid. Clearly. [editline]03:18PM[/editline] Criminals following a law? That's the definition of idiocy. They're criminals for a reason.[/QUOTE] ok... you don't think they would think twice when they leave the house with a gun if a simple traffic could get them 10 years in jail?
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;22071251]I think the only thing I agree with you on is firearms. :colbert:[/QUOTE] I can live with that. I'm fairly sure that very few people disagree with each other [I]completely[/I] on [I]every single political issue.[/I] [editline]06:41PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mudbone;22071270]ok... you don't think they would think twice when they leave the house with a gun if a simple traffic could get them 10 years in jail?[/QUOTE] You don't think they might, y'know, just [I]shoot the officer and drive off?[/I] They're [I]crriminals[/I].
Don''t ban the right to bear arms, how will I fap with, OH those arms.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22071270]ok... you don't think they would think twice when they leave the house with a gun if a simple traffic could get them 10 years in jail?[/QUOTE] No, I don't. Because, I'm not naive like you. I'm aware of what the term "Criminal" means. Are you? [editline]03:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=the_KMM;22071286]I can live with that. I'm fairly sure that very few people disagree with each other [I]completely[/I] on [I]every single political issue.[/I] [/QUOTE] I think most of us agree with each other on firearms.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22071270]ok... you don't think they would think twice when they leave the house with a gun if a [b]simple traffic could get them 10 years in jail?[/b][/QUOTE] Do you fucking realize that even though drugs are illegal people still get busted for that after leaving the house with some drugs? Fuck.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22071286] You don't think they might, y'know, just [I]shoot the officer and drive off?[/I] They're [I]crriminals[/I].[/QUOTE] No because once you kill a police officer your life is pretty much over. Good luck running for the rest of your life because you wont get away. Im fucking aware of what a criminal is. In some country's if your caught stealing they cut your hand off. I bet thieves there think twice before they go to steal something. Just because someone is a criminal don't mean their going take extreme risks when they mug someone for 100 bucks or an mp3 player. Your still going to see the outlaw bikers and higher class gangsters with guns but for the most part the small timers will give them up because its not worth it unless your a bank robber or something. You people are the ones who are naive. you watch to many movies and think all criminals are mad dog psychos kill you for any little reason. Being a criminal you ARE going to jail at some point not if but when. If a new law was made that tacked on 10 years for carrying a gun. Its risk vs reward and criminals are aware of that.
[QUOTE=Mudbone;22071816]No because once you kill a police officer your life is pretty much over. Good luck running for the rest of your life because you wont get away. Im fucking aware of what a criminal is. In some country's if your caught stealing they cut your hand off. I bet thieves there think twice before they go to steal something. Just because someone is a criminal don't mean their going take extreme risks when they mug someone for 100 bucks or an mp3 player. Your still going to see the outlaw bikers and higher class gangsters with guns but for the most part the small timers will give them up because its not worth it unless your a bank robber or something.[/QUOTE] It's still not a deterrent. Why don't you get this?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22071908]It's still not a deterrent. Why don't you get this?[/QUOTE] if its a stiff punishment yes it is a deterrent.
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