• Calderon urges Congress to reinstate ban on assault weapons
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[QUOTE=Slasha00;22093173]Without the Second Amendment all other Rights are worthless.[/QUOTE] since when have i needed an ak-47 to protest peacefully
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22093602]since when have i needed an ak-47 to protest peacefully[/QUOTE] and what if government doesn't listen to your peaceful protest?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22093617]and what if government doesn't listen to your peaceful protest?[/QUOTE] sure as hell won't start a violent revolution maybe i'll vote
[QUOTE=Leon Trotsky;22093227]why do you people need assault rifles anyway?[/QUOTE] You are not reading this thread [I][B]at all.[/B][/I] 'Assault Rifle' is just a term made up by certain elements of the media in an attempt to make certain arms be seen as 'scary'. Black, synthetic stock with picatinny rail and barrel shroud? [B]CHILD-MURDERING FULL AUTO ASSAULT SNIPER MACHINE BABY-KILLING GUN![/B] Wooden stock, less obvious optic mounting system with wooden grip and box-mag (think Ruger 10/22's) or internal mag? Perfectly safe BB-gun plinking toy. [editline]10:11PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22093651]sure as hell won't start a violent revolution maybe i'll vote[/QUOTE] If the government consistently refuses to listen to the people, what makes you think they'd care enough to listen in the first place? [editline]10:12PM[/editline] Relevant. [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pPsuc9rvU4Y/S2dtdWFAe5I/AAAAAAAABOA/P3c2Wfp0o4o/s1600-h/australiangunid.jpg[/IMG][img]http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/AustralianGunID.jpg[/img] [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pPsuc9rvU4Y/S2dtdWFAe5I/AAAAAAAABOA/P3c2Wfp0o4o/s1600-h/australiangunid.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22093717]You are not reading this thread [I][B]at all.[/B][/I] 'Assault Rifle' is just a term made up by certain elements of the media in an attempt to make certain arms be seen as 'scary'. Black, synthetic stock with picatinny rail and barrel shroud? [B]CHILD-MURDERING FULL AUTO ASSAULT SNIPER MACHINE BABY-KILLING GUN![/B] Wooden stock, less obvious optic mounting system with wooden grip and box-mag (think Ruger 10/22's) or internal mag? Perfectly safe BB-gun plinking toy. [/QUOTE] except killing someone with a 10/22 is pretty damn hard
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22093787]except killing someone with a 10/22 is pretty damn hard[/QUOTE] Completely untrue. The .22 is actually more deadly than rounds of a higher caliber for one reason: It bounces around once it hits a hard object. Let's assume, for a moment, that I shot you between the ribs with a .22LR. It would most likely go through one rib, or your sternum, hit an organ or two, strike the base of the ribs (the portion of the ribs that just out from the spine), and rebound back to penetrate more organs. A headshot with a .22 is almost on par with that of a .50 BMG, just less messy. Once it penetrates the skull, it doesn't have the energy needed to break out of the other side. The result is normally a nice sludge where the brain once was, due to all the bouncing around it'll do in your head. Here, let me link you to the story of a guy shot with a .22 (actually, it was a slightly higher caliber, but it has similar ballistics). [URL]http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/Main/WhatItFeelsLikeToBeShot[/URL]
[quote]Feels Like to Be Shot - [b]Found this on Google answers.[/b][/quote] ok, i'll trust this guy
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22093938]Completely untrue. The .22 is actually more deadly than rounds of a higher caliber for one reason: It bounces around once it hits a hard object. Let's assume, for a moment, that I shot you between the ribs with a .22LR. It would most likely go through one rib, or your sternum, hit an organ or two, strike the base of the ribs (the portion of the ribs that just out from the spine), and rebound back to penetrate more organs. A headshot with a .22 is almost on par with that of a .50 BMG, just less messy. Once it penetrates the skull, it doesn't have the energy needed to break out of the other side. The result is normally a nice sludge where the brain once was, due to all the bouncing around it'll do in your head. Here, let me link you to the story of a guy shot with a .22 (actually, it was a slightly higher caliber, but it has similar ballistics). [URL]http://www.wanderings.net/notebook/Main/WhatItFeelsLikeToBeShot[/URL][/QUOTE] I remember reading a story about someone using a .22 to kill people and how lethal that was. I wasn't sure if that was true or not but it sounded plausible.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22094005]ok, i'll trust this guy[/QUOTE] Do you really need to give a source [I]for every single thing[/I] on the internet?
[QUOTE=blubafoon;22065009]Yeah it's not like the point of having a gun is to hurt people or anything.[/QUOTE] Too bad a lot of people out west here hunt, just because you idiots out east or where ever such a dumbass community is that you live in doesn't like guns becuase they COULD be used to hurt someone doesn't mean they well, you know England banned firearms and look at knife crime rates: SKY ROCKETED!. Plus criminals will always have a way to get what they want, black market or whatever, all you are doing is punishing the law abiding citizen who would use their gun for hunting or self defense. Learn to think before being such a dumbass please.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22094072]Do you really need to give a source [I]for every single thing[/I] on the internet?[/QUOTE] anyone can make crazy shit up and pass it off as real so yes
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22094072]Do you really need to give a source [I]for every single thing[/I] on the internet?[/QUOTE] We are trying to argue with idiots who think a airsoft gun can be converted into a normal weapon cheaply with great ease. It would cost just as much if not more to do so and frankly only an idiot would think it is a good idea to try and do so because buying a gun on the blackmarket would be cheaper and easier then converting an airsoft rifle. They also think banning guns is a good idea because felons can't get them from gun shops anyway and usualy get them off the black market or from others, so frankly punishing everyone is such a fucking good idea. You also know most crimes are commited with a handgun so they made it so one has to be 21 to purchase one. How does banning "assault rifles" I use that term lightly by the way, mean that crime will go down or it is even a good idea.
[QUOTE=BlueSaint;22094165]We are trying to argue with idiots who think a airsoft gun can be converted into a normal weapon cheaply with great ease. It would cost just as much if not more to do so and frankly only an idiot would think it is a good idea to try and do so because buying a gun on the blackmarket would be cheaper and easier then converting an airsoft rifle.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that an airsoft rifle would explode due to the pressure created by an actual round.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22094137]anyone can make crazy shit up and pass it off as real so yes[/QUOTE] Yea and any government sensored media like the United States media sources can print whatever shit the government wants them to print or edit and print, and they usualy do. This whole country is based on false pretences and is way out of the way it should be.
[QUOTE=BlueSaint;22094202]Yea and any government sensored media like the United States media sources can print whatever shit the government wants them to print or edit and print, and they usualy do. This whole country is based on false pretences and is way out of the way it should be.[/QUOTE] I was with you up til this post.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22094181]Not to mention that an airsoft rifle would explode due to the pressure created by an actual round.[/QUOTE] A gas blowback rifle that would be rated for the exact thing would cost around 500-1000$ american (IF you were lucky to find one for 500ish) and at that rate you would only be able to maybe use the stock, lower receiver, the pistol grip, and maybe the trigger. So for about 100 dollars you can by part of teh body, then you have to buy everything elss, barrel, internals, whatever, and you think that joe shmow can put together all those things, we have gun smiths for a reason, you would prob. have to pay a guy to do it, so around 5000$ because really things are not cheap, and then you have maybe 1-100 rounds for this gun before the shoddy building or under rated parts explode from the pressure. A ar-15 costs maybe 2000$? 3000$? it would cost maybe the same for a blackmarket rifle and that would work a lot better than the built piece of shit an airsoft gun made. [editline]08:48PM[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22094221]I was with you up til this post.[/QUOTE] You know it's true. Then again what do I know, I hate my country.
[QUOTE=BlueSaint;22094280]A gas blowback rifle that would be rated for the exact thing would cost around 500-1000$ american (IF you were lucky to find one for 500ish) and at that rate you would only be able to maybe use the stock, lower receiver, the pistol grip, and maybe the trigger. So for about 100 dollars you can by part of teh body, then you have to buy everything elss, barrel, internals, whatever, and you think that joe shmow can put together all those things, we have gun smiths for a reason, you would prob. have to pay a guy to do it, so around 5000$ because really things are not cheap, and then you have maybe 1-100 rounds for this gun before the shoddy building or under rated parts explode from the pressure. A ar-15 costs maybe 2000$? 3000$? it would cost maybe the same for a blackmarket rifle and that would work a lot better than the built piece of shit an airsoft gun made.[/QUOTE] Or you can buy a full-auto AK in the seedier parts of Vegas for about $300.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;22093556]What do you need with the internet anyways? It being fun to use, enjoyable, or interesting isn't a viable answer. Also I believe you don't even know what an "assault weapon" is.[/QUOTE] it's a storage device as well as a communication device. I use it for research for my job, I communicate on it regarding my job, i use it for many things. Including entertainment. I don't use an AK-47 as a phone, a research device, or entertainment. Unless I count shooting at rabbits fun. [quote]An assault rifle is loosely defined as a selective fire rifle designed for combat that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies. Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle, AK family, G36, FN FNC, and the Steyr AUG.[/quote] why do you need an selective fire infantry weapon? [editline]03:14AM[/editline] lol, mastermaul, and his fallacious terrible arguments, at it again. [editline]03:15AM[/editline] [QUOTE=the_KMM;22094316]Or you can buy a full-auto AK in the seedier parts of Vegas for about $300.[/QUOTE] Are you sure about that?
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;22094630]why do you need an selective fire infantry weapon?[/QUOTE] GOT YA, MOTHERFUCKER! Selective fire can only be applied to a firearm if it has more than one mode of active fire. Civilian variants of all the weapons in your quotes only have 2 modes: Safe and Fire. Safe is not a mode of active fire. Therefore, 'assault rifles' are not selective-fire weaponry. In fact, we have pistols in 'intermediate cartridges' with detachable mags. Does this make them 'assault rifles'? :v:
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;22094630]it's a storage device as well as a communication device. I use it for research for my job, I communicate on it regarding my job, i use it for many things. Including entertainment.[/QUOTE] Read a book, write it down, use a phone. And once again, you don't know what "assault weapon" means.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22094664]GOT YA, MOTHERFUCKER! Selective fire can only be applied to a firearm if it has more than one mode of active fire. Civilian variants of all the weapons in your quotes only have 2 modes: Safe and Fire. Safe is not a mode of active fire. Therefore, 'assault rifles' are not selective-fire weaponry. In fact, we have pistols in 'intermediate cartridges' with detachable mags. Does this make them 'assault rifles'? :v:[/QUOTE] sooo, assault weapons are still banned? [editline]03:26AM[/editline] [QUOTE=mastermaul;22094740]Read a book, write it down, use a phone. And once again, you don't know what "assault weapon" means.[/QUOTE] ok? what's your point? that the internet and a machine gun are both as useful? what do you need an automatic weapon for? The Russian's aren't invading, skippy. I'm going by the fucking definition you tool
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;22094766]sooo, assault weapons are still banned?[/QUOTE] "Assault weapons" don't exist. Assault [I]rifles[/I] and other selective fire weapons are highly restricted to the point where no low-life criminal could ever afford or acquire one.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;22094766]sooo, assault weapons are still banned?[/QUOTE] Actual 'assault weapons' are so prohibitively expensive, that it's merely not worth it to go after them. What few were registered before 1986 are all that you can get. Not only that, but you need a nigh-perfect criminal record to get one. And you need to renew the license each year. And pay a fee each year. And possibly get it inspected each year. Why don't you go complain about the 9 miniguns that are completely unregulated and in civilian hands?
[QUOTE=mastermaul;22094802]"Assault weapons" don't exist. Assault [I]rifles[/I] and other selective fire weapons are highly restricted to the point where no low-life criminal could ever afford or acquire one.[/QUOTE] ...ok, so Assault weapons don't exist? ok... here's me thinking an AK-47 was real. because all criminals are poor, right? [editline]03:32AM[/editline] [QUOTE=the_KMM;22094839]Actual 'assault weapons' are so prohibitively expensive, that it's merely not worth it to go after them. What few were registered before 1986 are all that you can get. Not only that, but you need a nigh-perfect criminal record to get one. And you need to renew the license each year. And pay a fee each year. And possibly get it inspected each year. Why don't you go complain about the 9 miniguns that are completely unregulated and in civilian hands?[/QUOTE] ...why do you need a mini-gun?
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;22094864]...ok, so Assault weapons don't exist? ok... here's me thinking an AK-47 was real.[/quote] They don't exist in any significant number in civilian hands. [quote]...why do you need a mini-gun?[/QUOTE] You don't. I just thought that you, of all people, would find it horrific that they're 100% unregulated. Of course, nobody has ever used them in a crime.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;22094864]...ok, so Assault weapons don't exist? ok... here's me thinking an AK-47 was real. because all criminals are poor, right?[/QUOTE] The AK-47 (never mind that actual AK-47s are extremely rare and expensive) is an assault rifle. "Assault weapon", as the media puts it, means anything from [img]http://www.dodgetrucks.org/gallery/data/500/Mossberg-500-Tactical-01.jpg[/img] to [img]http://www.nightvisionsales.com/images/Laserlyte_Laser/HK-USP-Compact.jpg[/img] And the rich criminals are going to get their weapons no matter what so no point in arguing about that.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22066896]Are you OK with them saying we should decriminalize certain drugs?[/QUOTE] yeah because we should [editline]11:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;22094630]it's a storage device as well as a communication device. I use it for research for my job, I communicate on it regarding my job, i use it for many things. Including entertainment. I don't use an AK-47 as a phone, a research device, or entertainment. Unless I count shooting at rabbits fun. why do you need an selective fire infantry weapon? [editline]03:14AM[/editline] lol, mastermaul, and his fallacious terrible arguments, at it again. [editline]03:15AM[/editline] Are you sure about that?[/QUOTE] you can buy full auto ak's if you know where to look lol, you can also mod semi's into it with the know how/ buy parts your own
So, Ho Chi Minh, without looking at the filename, tell me what you think this is, and why I shouldn't have it. [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/4390693028_97b070412e.jpg[/IMG] Actually, don't mind the filename, it's gibberish.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22095136]So, Ho Chi Minh, without looking at the filename, tell me what you think this is, and why I shouldn't have it. [IMG]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/4390693028_97b070412e.jpg[/IMG] Actually, don't mind the filename, it's gibberish.[/QUOTE] is that a saiga 12k conversion?
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22095282]is that a saiga 12k conversion?[/QUOTE] That would be mostly correct. It's just a base Saiga 12 with a modded buttstock+grip, and an added sight.
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