Better start prescribing amphetamines to the formerly obese
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;42215609]but who the fuck wants to count every god damn calorie[/QUOTE]
Not really that hard. There are loads of software for the cellphone. And you don't really have to be counting them down to the last single calorie.
I lost quite a lot of weight by just reducing my daily intake of food.
Most obesity causes a down-regulation of nor-epinephrin(Dopamine) which can be undone by taking DRI's. i gained 50+ pounds because of the SSRI i was taking (sertraline hcl) and could never feel full when i was dieting and off the SSRI's. however when i started taking Bupropion(Dopamine Re-uptake Inhibitor) i feel extremely full after eating like 1/4th of my normal meals. since staring my DRI's i went from 255 to 203 in 6 months.
here is a female base study:
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11557835[/url]
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;42215609]but who the fuck wants to count every god damn calorie[/QUOTE]People who are committed to meeting a specific goal when it comes to something like weight.
It's tedious work, but it helps ensure that you are eating just as much as you need to eat in order to get the results that you desire.
once a fatty always a fatty
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;42215581]With calorie counting, you eventually learn to get over the whole "fullness sense" and instead focus more on your intake and limits. Or, as I'd like to call it, "having self control".[/QUOTE]
"Getting over" the fullness sense is like getting over breathing, it's an innate biological thing.
You can ignore it but it never goes away if you don't satiate it to your brain's satisfaction and that's constantly unpleasant. It's likely a big contributer to why so many people are content with just remaining fat - our bodies are specifically designed to try as hard as they can to encourage us not to lose weight.
When you eat a lot, you stretch your stomach and it gets larger, and that's another reason why it is getting more difficult to end your hunger. There are medical procedures you could do to turn your stomach to be half the size. You would still feel the need to eat but it would be more difficult to do so.
"Associate Professor Page says they're not yet sure whether this effect is permanent or just long-lasting.
"We know that only about 5% of people on diets are able to maintain their weight loss, and that most people who've been on a diet put all of that weight back on within two years," she says.
"More research is needed to determine how long the effect lasts, and whether there is any way -- chemical or otherwise -- to trick the stomach into resetting itself to normal."
Feel like people are missing this part, this shit is not permanent, don't be melodramatic your body isn't trying to fuck you over. You can't expect to go from clinically obese to skinny in 6 months and not expect some lag time.
Also its fullness NOT hunger.
I go on bulking / cutting cycles and have been for like 3-4 years, every time i do a prolonged cut (4 weeks +) the first 2-3 weeks i never feel full and am constantly hungry no matter what, after that my body starts to get used to it and by the end of my cut it actually becomes difficult to bring my caloric intake back up to maintenance and eventually above that since my body has gotten used to eating so few calories.
Eventually, your body will get used to eating less. This article seems like a load of crap and more or less a short term study instead of a long term one which really doesn't tell you anything conclusive whatsoever
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;42215609]but who the fuck wants to count every god damn calorie[/QUOTE]
someone who wants to lose weight
[QUOTE=omggrass;42217735]Most obesity causes a down-regulation of nor-epinephrin(Dopamine) which can be undone by taking DRI's. i gained 50+ pounds because of the SSRI i was taking (sertraline hcl) and could never feel full when i was dieting and off the SSRI's. however when i started taking Bupropion(Dopamine Re-uptake Inhibitor) i feel extremely full after eating like 1/4th of my normal meals. since staring my DRI's i went from 255 to 203 in 6 months.[/QUOTE]
Man I need some of these magic pills :v:
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;42215609]but who the fuck wants to count every god damn calorie[/QUOTE]
Its really not that hard, guestimating works just as well
If you actually want to lose weight and hold it, you need to be eating slightly less calories than you burn. Doing any more might get you results "faster" but you'll never condition your brain to feel full at a new low and you'll never keep the weight that you lost
I.E. burn an average of 2000 calories a day? Eat 1800 calories (its suprisingly easy to do this and feel full). You'll lose an average of a half pound to a pound a week. That's 26-52lbs a year that generally always will stay off unless you decide to start eating 2100 or 2200 calories (on average) a day.
Once you learn the in-general calories levels of certain foods you don't really need to count at all. I.E. I know a PB&J will give me about 450 or so calories (especially since your average slice of bread is 100-120 calories) despite variations in proportion (that don't really matter). Which is why I generally avoid PB&J now - its very calorie-dense for what you get - not very filling, only slightly filling. PB is good for you, but its calorie dense and doesn't really fill you up too much compared to more solid lunch-food options, so its extra calories when something like a turkey or egg salad sandwich gets me more protein and more fullness in less calories.
The secret to staying full when on a lower-calorie diet is eating foods that make you actually feel full. This is why eggs, fish (especially salmon), and sources of fiber are excellent because they all make you feel full on some level despite their calorie counts. Naturally-occurring saturated fats are also good for making you feel full (steak, etc) but they are also somewhat calorie dense so you don't want too much of that. Basically, anything solid food that provides a good natural source of protein, fat, and/or fiber will keep you fuller than going without that stuff. It has to be a "natural" source too - having protein powder isn't gonna make you feel full, it's gotta be something your body has to actually spend time digesting to get the nutrients.
That last bit probably has a bit more impact that people might think, which is why you want to avoid as much processed foods as possible when trying to lose weight. I wonder if there have been any studies on that though - it could be total bullshit. But I just feel like I get more fullness and nutrition out of my calories when its from a non-processed "naturally occurring" source instead of getting it from fast food or getting it from a TV dinner or something.
Yeah I lost about 40 lbs half a year ago and I never feel full when I eat anymore... but I'm used to it. A lot of the times I'll just drink my weight in water to fill me up.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42221951]Man I need some of these magic pills :v:[/QUOTE]
Bupropion is an antidepressant that also makes you lose weight, stop smoking, and sometimes increases your sex drive
If it works it's basically god in pill form
[QUOTE=PredGD;42215226]wow, that must really suck. just imagine how terrible life would be for an obsese man who managed to lose weight? he'd never be satisfied by the amount of food he eats ever again.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it sucks. I mean you can ignore it but you'll always have that moment you forget and in the blink of an eye you've suddenly gained back like 20 pounds.
I mean I let myself get to like 350 pounds before I really forced myself to lose weight. Eventually I got down to 200, but I seem to be stuck there thanks to things like this.
[QUOTE=yellowoboe;42222110]Yeah it sucks. I mean you can ignore it but you'll always have that moment you forget and in the blink of an eye you've suddenly gained back like 20 pounds.
I mean I let myself get to like 350 pounds before I really forced myself to lose weight. Eventually I got down to 200, but I seem to be stuck there thanks to things like this.[/QUOTE]
I've lost 100 pounds since high school and want to lose a bit more, I track my calories and nutrients with MyFitnessPal, but the caloric deficit required of me at this point to continue losing weight results in me being fucking starving 24/7
I've tried different ratios of nutrients, more fats and proteins should logically make me feel fuller, and exercise burns more calories without having to reduce food, but man my stomach just [i]knows[/i]
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;42215609]but who the fuck wants to count every god damn calorie[/QUOTE]
It fucking blows, but it's very helpful if you want to keep track of your eating habits and lose fat.
I used to be 13stone, and eat lots of food. I could tackle a 16" pizza by myself and still be hungry.
I had my jaws realigned and wired shut, I lost 6st in a week. From 13st (82.5kg) to 7st (44.4kg). I was unable to eat regular food for 4-8 weeks and was on liquids only.
I am no longer able to eat as much as I used to and can handle only one big meal a day, so I'm pretty sure that this only applies to people who are literally really obese and not just people who have puppyfat.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42222106]Bupropion is an antidepressant that also makes you lose weight, stop smoking, and sometimes increases your sex drive
If it works it's basically god in pill form[/QUOTE]
Theres a lot of drugs like this, some that people have used quite successfully off label to help with obesity.
But you won't ever see this in widespread use because "omg not natural" crybabies.
[editline]17th September 2013[/editline]
I would argue that natural stopped being a legitimate criticism when you started eating 5000+ calories of mass produced, over processed food, but w/e I guess
Yeah but one thing is that many of us (myself included) are lazy and don't do enough exercise. We're built for exercise. We're built to work physically hard. It's unnatural and unhealthy for a human to be inactive. It's bad for us to sit down.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;42218375]"Associate Professor Page says they're not yet sure whether this effect is permanent or just long-lasting.
"We know that only about 5% of people on diets are able to maintain their weight loss, and that most people who've been on a diet put all of that weight back on within two years," she says.
"More research is needed to determine how long the effect lasts, and whether there is any way -- chemical or otherwise -- to trick the stomach into resetting itself to normal."
Feel like people are missing this part, this shit is not permanent, don't be melodramatic your body isn't trying to fuck you over. You can't expect to go from clinically obese to skinny in 6 months and not expect some lag time.
Also its fullness NOT hunger.[/QUOTE]
What they actually said was that they don't know whether or not it's permanent. It's either permanent, or "long-lasting."
[QUOTE=KorJax;42222038]Its really not that hard, guestimating works just as well
If you actually want to lose weight and hold it, you need to be eating slightly less calories than you burn. Doing any more might get you results "faster" but you'll never condition your brain to feel full at a new low and you'll never keep the weight that you lost
I.E. burn an average of 2000 calories a day? Eat 1800 calories (its suprisingly easy to do this and feel full). You'll lose an average of a half pound to a pound a week. That's 26-52lbs a year that generally always will stay off unless you decide to start eating 2100 or 2200 calories (on average) a day.
Once you learn the in-general calories levels of certain foods you don't really need to count at all. I.E. I know a PB&J will give me about 450 or so calories (especially since your average slice of bread is 100-120 calories) despite variations in proportion (that don't really matter). Which is why I generally avoid PB&J now - its very calorie-dense for what you get - not very filling, only slightly filling. PB is good for you, but its calorie dense and doesn't really fill you up too much compared to more solid lunch-food options, so its extra calories when something like a turkey or egg salad sandwich gets me more protein and more fullness in less calories.
The secret to staying full when on a lower-calorie diet is eating foods that make you actually feel full. This is why eggs, fish (especially salmon), and sources of fiber are excellent because they all make you feel full on some level despite their calorie counts. Naturally-occurring saturated fats are also good for making you feel full (steak, etc) but they are also somewhat calorie dense so you don't want too much of that. Basically, anything solid food that provides a good natural source of protein, fat, and/or fiber will keep you fuller than going without that stuff. It has to be a "natural" source too - having protein powder isn't gonna make you feel full, it's gotta be something your body has to actually spend time digesting to get the nutrients.
That last bit probably has a bit more impact that people might think, which is why you want to avoid as much processed foods as possible when trying to lose weight. I wonder if there have been any studies on that though - it could be total bullshit. But I just feel like I get more fullness and nutrition out of my calories when its from a non-processed "naturally occurring" source instead of getting it from fast food or getting it from a TV dinner or something.[/QUOTE]
Fucking this.
You can eat a high volume of food and still be below maintenance with calories. It's easy as piss. The problem is fatasses eat calorie-dense shit like twinkies until they are full then bitch about how they can't lose weight because they have to eat too much food to be full. Eat the same volume in lean meat and vegetables, get just as full for a fraction of the calories.
It's just more excuses to justify their self-destructive behavior. Turning it into some kind of "this or that" sacrifice so they can say, "I prefer to be fat and full than skinny and miserable," when it isn't black and white like that in the slightest.
Hell, I lost 45lbs over the course of a little less than a year (you merlin that perfect 1lb a week 500 cal deficit masterrace) and I didn't starve for a second because I didn't change the volume I ate, just the caloric content. If you're sitting there on your couch starving, you're doing it wrong.
[editline]17th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42222130]I've lost 100 pounds since high school and want to lose a bit more, I track my calories and nutrients with MyFitnessPal, but the caloric deficit required of me at this point to continue losing weight results in me being fucking starving 24/7
I've tried different ratios of nutrients, more fats and proteins should logically make me feel fuller, and exercise burns more calories without having to reduce food, but man my stomach just [i]knows[/i][/QUOTE]
Your stomach doesn't know. [i]You[/i] know. It's pretty clear your problem isn't with your stomach, your metabolism, or anything like that. It's in your head. You're mentally dependent on food.
I just drink water to get the feeling of fullness to go away.
That or Tuna. Tuna always fills me.
[QUOTE=Pandamox;42218507]I go on bulking / cutting cycles and have been for like 3-4 years, every time i do a prolonged cut (4 weeks +) the first 2-3 weeks i never feel full and am constantly hungry no matter what, after that my body starts to get used to it and by the end of my cut it actually becomes difficult to bring my caloric intake back up to maintenance and eventually above that since my body has gotten used to eating so few calories.
Eventually, your body will get used to eating less. This article seems like a load of crap and more or less a short term study instead of a long term one which really doesn't tell you anything conclusive whatsoever[/QUOTE]
Your bulking cycles do not amount to the same as overeating for the better part of one's lifetime, and can't really be compared in the same way.
fuck this sucks
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;42215609]but who the fuck wants to count every god damn calorie[/QUOTE]
After a while you don't really count. It takes like a month or two to get used to what your limits ought to be. After that you sort of know.
Not that something can be done
A lot of it has to deal with the nutrition you're getting. Eat nothing but sugar and you'll be starving in an hour, eat a proper breakfast [shredded wheat with fruit] and you'll feel more satisfied.
Pretty sure things like these are not the end all be all you're screwed don't even try issues some make it out to be, it varies but if you stick with it long enough your stomach will adapt [at least somewhat].
[QUOTE=MaverickIB;42224403]
Your stomach doesn't know. [i]You[/i] know. It's pretty clear your problem isn't with your stomach, your metabolism, or anything like that. It's in your head. You're mentally dependent on food.[/QUOTE]
I'm well aware of the difference between the feeling of hunger and the feeling of a food craving tyvm
I know you're literally an omnipotent being but still
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