Turkish military shoots down fighter jet near Syria-Turkey border - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49177411]yes they are, because putin has taken the egypt incident personally and he's going to approach this with a lot less restraint than he did before -regardless of whether the outcome is the same.[/QUOTE] nah

[img]http://i.imgur.com/zrBctnj.png[/img] Hit at the Turkish dot, lost at the green marker. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Saturn V;49177414]nah[/QUOTE] i'm glad you're here to post "not really" "nah". what a fascinating opinion i'm glad you told me

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49177420]i'm glad you're here to post "not really" "nah". what a fascinating opinion i'm glad you told me[/QUOTE] yep [highlight](User was banned for this post ("ok" - Swebonny))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Swebonny;49177262]The pilot is dead/has been killed. NSFW!!!!! [url]https://mobile.twitter.com/sametdgn1[/url][/QUOTE] i'd rather crash in that plane then be killed by these savages

[QUOTE=krakadict;49177437]i'd rather crash in that plane then be killed by these savages[/QUOTE] He was probably one of the pilots who carried out the bombing on Turkmen villages so its safe to assume that they just wanted some sorta Revenge.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49177411]yes they are, because putin has taken the egypt incident personally and he's going to approach this with a lot less restraint than he did before -regardless of whether the outcome is the same.[/QUOTE] Nothing is personal in politics, these are just fancy words. Putin doesn't give a damn about those civilians or these pilots.

Why did they just shoot it down on sight? Don't they have radio communications or something?

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49177449]Why did they just shoot it down on sight? Don't they have radio communications or something?[/QUOTE] I think they were warned. Still a shitty thing to do imo Russia wouldn't bomb Turkey so it wasn't really in self defence.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49177449]Why did they just shoot it down on sight? Don't they have radio communications or something?[/QUOTE] From the BBC source [quote=BBC Article]There are conflicting reports as to whether it was ground fire or Turkish jets that brought down the Russian plane. Air operations in the crowded skies over Syria just got a good deal more complicated. The only mitigating factor is that initial reports suggest that two parachutes were seen so the Russian crew at least got out of their stricken aircraft. Expect diplomatic fireworks. [b]However, the Turkish military said two F-16s on patrol had fired on an unidentified aircraft at 09:24 (07:24 GMT) after warning it 10 times over five minutes about violating Turkish airspace over the town of Yayladagi, in Hatay province.[/b] It noted that the F-16s had intervened "in accordance with the rules of engagement", which were changed after Syria shot down a Turkish plane in 2012. [/quote]

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49177449]Why did they just shoot it down on sight? Don't they have radio communications or something?[/QUOTE] Do you even read the source or news articles before commenting? Edit: eh, post above explains it.

Russians do it all the time in the Baltic states and Finland, cut corners just to provoke, test response or just because they don't care about it much. Turkey warned after the first violations that they won't tolerate it and will shoot down any unauthorised planes violating their airspace. Russians just didn't take them seriously and learned a lesson: don't f*ck with turkey. Anyway, they are covering it up in their own media as I said before, saying that the plane was shot down over Syrian territory with a surface-to-air missile.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49177420][img]http://i.imgur.com/zrBctnj.png[/img][/QUOTE] That salient into Syria is 6 or 7 Km long at its widest point, seems kind of hard to warn it 10 times for 5 minutes since it wouldn't take a couple of minutes to cross that distance flying at stall speed, much less while cruising. Also, the town of Yayladagi is something like 10 Km to the northwest from the hit marker, and from what I can tell from the plotted path, it doesn't go nowhere near it.

[QUOTE=Tidusete;49177504]That salient into Syria is 6 or 7 Km long at its widest point, seems kind of hard to warn it 10 times for 5 minutes since it wouldn't take a couple of minutes to cross that distance flying at stall speed, much less while cruising. Also, the town of Yayladagi is something like 10 Km to the northwest from the hit marker, and from what I can tell from the plotted path, it doesn't go nowhere near it.[/QUOTE] I'm not usually so pro-Russian but I am sort of feeling the sincerity of Russia saying they a few km away from the border. Breaking: Putin calls the attacks a stab in the back, and devastating to Russia's relations with Turkey Still waiting on the Russian evidence.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49177454]I think they were warned. Still a shitty thing to do imo Russia wouldn't bomb Turkey so it wasn't really in self defence.[/QUOTE] The Russian air force does this shit all the time to test air defense envelopes, so it's almost never benign or accidental. Given the accuracy of GLONASS and GPS, there isnt an excuse to be doing this shit anymore. While it's tragic that a pilot had to lose his life over this, Russia needs to stop having it's forces get "lost" in conflict zones.

Rebel group is claiming to have shot down a Russian search helicopter

/pol/ is having a shit over this. Why do so many of these people cream themselves at the very mention of a world war?

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49177590]Rebel group is claiming to have shot down a Russian search helicopter[/QUOTE] Wow ok, now that's just way the fuck out of line.

Just to clarify: Putin is saying the aircraft was shot at by an air-to-air missile 1km from the border, and was downed 4km from the border.

[QUOTE=Number7Reds;49177606]/pol/ is having a shit over this. Why do so many of these people cream themselves at the very mention of a world war?[/QUOTE] This obviously won't start a world war, but it will start a fairly large political shitstorm

[QUOTE=Number7Reds;49177606]/pol/ is having a shit over this. Why do so many of these people cream themselves at the very mention of a world war?[/QUOTE] Because it's /pol/? Could be that people there want a bit of a purge or something. That's my guess anyway.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;49177620]This obviously won't start a world war, but it will start a fairly large political shitstorm[/QUOTE] The closest we could ever get to a World War is if Russia invaded Turkey due to this, but that won't happen because Putin is smarter than that. The whole world is too united against ISIS for it to be a world war.

i think most logical retaliation would be to strangle tourist flow for next season - it would give enough time for business to prepare for a consequences of their government's action and leave a big smudge mark on turkey's income from Russian absence during summer.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49177590]Rebel group is claiming to have shot down a Russian search helicopter[/QUOTE] Where did you read that one?

We got plenty of Russians visiting our airspace for decades and we haven't shot them down yet. Did they really have to shoot it down? As if there wasn't enough conflict going around in that region already.

[QUOTE=The Commander;49177687]Where did you read that one?[/QUOTE] I think he refers to Reuters, as for all those words than Russian aircraft deserving such fate and that turkey did try to warn the aircraft - what is most likely? That Russian pilot that was on a route in a conflict zone, where airspace so tight with other planes doing every hour new flight with bombs, that you literally ain't got a spare second to relax a muscle, simply "ignored" warning from Turkish air defense for 10 god damn minutes or that Turkish forces simply decided to be assholes but fucked up more than expected?

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;49177568] While it's tragic that a pilot had to lose his life over this, Russia needs to stop having it's forces get "lost" in conflict zones.[/QUOTE] It's not just conflict zones, they'll fly into Dutch airspace a few times per year, fighters get scrambled and they just pretend like nothing happened

[QUOTE=ripsipiirakk;49177697]We got plenty of Russians visiting our airspace for decades and we haven't shot them down yet. Did they really have to shoot it down? As if there wasn't enough conflict going around in that region already.[/QUOTE] Airspace violations are generally met with Warnings/Escorting out of airspace and (As a last resort) a possible military intervention. It's just that no country till today had the balls to do the latter.

[QUOTE=Goz3rr;49177722]It's not just conflict zones, they'll fly into Dutch airspace a few times per year, fighters get scrambled and they just pretend like nothing happened[/QUOTE] You do realize such "border" violation is usual procedure for lots of other countries as well and been happening for decades as part of mutual defense check? It not official but it exist ever since Cold War

[QUOTE=The Commander;49177687]Where did you read that one?[/QUOTE] Says nothing about it being downed, just that it's searching though. [URL]http://www.ibtimes.co.in/syria-helicopter-searching-downed-russian-jet-pilots-been-shot-down-656402[/URL] Sorry, at work, the article above was speculative about being shot down, I had meant to post a BBC article.

[QUOTE=kaukassus;49177727] It's just that no country till today had the balls to do the latter.[/QUOTE] Well good riddance they did cause now we know where to cut them off, metaphorically speaking ofcourse