Turkish military shoots down fighter jet near Syria-Turkey border - Polidicks

I said a long time ago that it's just a matter of time before a Russian jet will get shot down. They have been quite ballsy, entering other countries airspace for a while now. I don't think this is going to escalate much more but seems to be a pretty dickish thing to do, other countries would just escort the plane out of their airspace.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;49177678]i think most logical retaliation would be to strangle tourist flow for next season - it would give enough time for business to prepare for a consequences of their government's action and leave a big smudge mark on turkey's income from Russian absence during summer.[/QUOTE] What about intensifying attacks on the FSA or Al-Nusra? That'd piss Turkey off something awful. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=kaukassus;49177727]Airspace violations are generally met with Warnings/Escorting out of airspace and (As a last resort) a possible military intervention. It's just that no country till today had the balls to do the latter.[/QUOTE] and they should have picked a better time, the idiots. like karimatrix said this is nothing new for a lot of countries. what about when the US started setting up missile defence systems near Russian borders? Turkey imo has Ahmed Mohammed syndrome. "the world loves us now, hey guy. FUCK YOU! hahahaha *runs and hides behind NATO*

Good link on everything going on. It's only a rumor that a SAR helo was shot down (With a US supplied TOW missile I may add). [url]http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/ruaf-su-24-shot-down-by-turkey/[/url] Also, I'm just saying, it looks like it barely crossed into Turkish airspace and looks like it got hit in Syrian airspace. Also, Putin called out Turkey over Turkish support of ISIS.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49177744]What about intensifying attacks on the FSA or Al-Nusra? That'd piss Turkey off something awful. [/QUOTE] Russia should provide serious military hardware to the kurds in Iraq. That would drive turkey nutty. + the majority of the west are sympathetic to the kurds so it would also be a propaganda victory. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Pilot1215;49177754] Also, Putin called out Turkey over Turkish support of ISIS.[/QUOTE] About damn time someone did that. Turkey have let the conflict escalate supplying opposition forces hoping for Assad, Kurds and Iran to get pushed out of syria.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49177755]Russia should provide serious military hardware to the kurds in Iraq. That would drive turkey nutty. + the majority of the west are sympathetic to the kurds so it would also be a propaganda victory. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] About damn time someone did that. Turkey have let the conflict escalate supplying opposition forces hoping for Assad, Kurds and Iran to get pushed out of syria.[/QUOTE] That sounds like a great way to make sure the steady stream of refugees will not go down in any sense at least.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49177755]Russia should provide serious military hardware to the kurds in Iraq. That would drive turkey nutty. + the majority of the west are sympathetic to the kurds so it would also be a propaganda victory. [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] About damn time someone did that. Turkey have let the conflict escalate supplying opposition forces hoping for Assad, Kurds and Iran to get pushed out of syria.[/QUOTE] that's a great idea. Turkey shouldn't be part of the fking EU and risks dragging us all into their shit

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;49177754]Good link on everything going on. It's only a rumor that a SAR helo was shot down (With a US supplied TOW missile I may add). [url]http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/ruaf-su-24-shot-down-by-turkey/[/url] Also, I'm just saying, it looks like it barely crossed into Turkish airspace and looks like it got hit in Syrian airspace. Also, Putin called out Turkey over Turkish support of ISIS.[/QUOTE] The ABC News (AU) article is saying: [QUOTE]The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights also reported that a Russian helicopter was been hit in Syria following the downing of the fighter jet — an attack that was claimed by a Syrian rebel group. But the rights group said the helicopter was able to make an emergency landing in a nearby government-held area. [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-24/turkey-shoots-down-jet-near-syrian-border/6970776[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rumbler;49177767]That sounds like a great way to make sure the steady stream of refugees will not go down in any sense at least.[/QUOTE] True true. Not sure how to stabilise the region ultimately. The people don't trust Assad and the various rebel groups seem to be too radical. The kurds don't mesh well with their neighbours (iraq and Turkey will lose out if the kurds form a nation). People want something to provide security and stability. If there was just some way to make people talk and discuss a way to calm the situation. Hate to say it but maybe some form of balkanisation, decentralisation or extreme federalisation is called for. On the point of Russia supplying the kurds with arms, it was more a suggestion as a way to piss of turkey. Not sure what Russia should actually do, maybe coordinate with other allied nations and agree a plan to move in and stabilise the region. Thatd be boots on the ground which comes with 1000s of problems in itself.

I think Russians about to cook the biggest Thanksgiving "Turkey" ever

[QUOTE]По словам президента, крушение Су-24 выходит за рамки обычной борьбы с терроризмом; это удар, который РФ нанесли в спину пособники террористов, отметил Путин. "Сегодняшняя потеря связана с ударом, который нам нанесли в спину пособники терроризма. По-другому я не могу квалифицировать то, что сегодня случилось", - сказал российский лидер. РФ давно фиксировала поставки нефти в Турцию из районов Сирии, захваченных террористам, отметил Путин. Он указал, что обращение Турции к партнерам по НАТО с связи с инцидентом с российским самолетом напоминает попытку поставить альянс на службу ИГ. Российский лидер отметил, что после инцидента с бомбардировщиком "вместо того, чтобы немедленно наладить с нами необходимый контакт, насколько нам известно, турецкая сторона обратилась к своим партнерам по НАТО для обсуждения этого вопроса". "Как будто это мы сбили турецкий самолет, а не они наш", - недоумевает Путин. "Они что, хотят поставить НАТО на службу ИГИЛ?" - отметил президент. Россия не потерпит, чтобы совершались такие преступления, как атака на российский Су-24, подчеркнул президент. "Мы, конечно, внимательно проанализируем все, что случилось, и сегодняшнее трагическое событие будет иметь серьезные последствия для российско-турецких отношений", - сказал он. Путин подчеркнул, что Россия всегда относилась у Турции не просто как к близкому соседу, а как к дружественному государству. "Не знаю, кому было нужно то, что сделано сегодня, во всяком случае не нам", - подчеркнул российский лидер. "Я понимаю, что у каждого государства есть свои региональные интересы, и мы всегда относимся к ним с уважением. Но мы никогда не потерпим, чтобы совершались такие преступления, как сегодня", - сказал Путин. Он выразил надежду, что "международное сообщество все-таки найдет в себе силы, чтобы сплотиться в борьбе с общим злом (терроризмом)"[/QUOTE] He didn't really say anything serious, nothing will happen. I guess they are really starting to regret the Syrian intervention, as it has been nothing but a disastrous mess. Relations also destroyed with Egypt and Turkey and walking on the edge with Saudi-Arabia and Qatar. EDIT: They just claimed in Russian TV news that the plane was shot down over Syrian territory by surface-to-air missile according to Russian defence ministry. Also, Putin didn't accuse Turkey directly in his speech, so they're really trying to cover this up. Either that or there's more to this story that we're not aware of.

[QUOTE=HAWKS71;49177924]He didn't really say anything serious, nothing will happen. I guess they are really starting to regret the Syrian intervention, as it has been nothing but a disastrous mess. Relations also destroyed with Egypt and Turkey and walking on the edge with Saudi-Arabia and Qatar.[/QUOTE] What do you mean, "nothing serious"? [editline]25th November 2015[/editline] I mean the least that could happen is all kinds of air transportation (tourism, trade, etc) will be indefinitely suspended (it's already being discussed and most likely will be done), not to mention major political fallout.

[QUOTE=maniacykt;49177935]What do you mean, "nothing serious"?[/QUOTE] Well Putin didn't say anything about what they are actually going to do about the whole situation, just some regual "blahblahblah won't tolerate blahblah terrorism".

So, the rebels did get one of the rescue choppers... [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0[/media]

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;49178048]So, the rebels did get one of the rescue choppers... [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0[/media][/QUOTE] I thinks it's rather odd that the helicopter was completely off and had been for some time (rotors are completely still. You'd think a helicopter would stay on during a CSAR operation.

[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates[/url] Well, shit is about to go to hell. Putin called out Turkey as being accomplices to terrorists

how likely is it that NATO will just kick Turkey out of the pact for this kind of recklessness?

[QUOTE=Big Bang;49178155]how likely is it that NATO will just kick Turkey out of the pact for this kind of recklessness?[/QUOTE] Not really likely. Right now we just don't really know enough of the situation. Russian government has like to push the boundaries with their jets.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;49178155]how likely is it that NATO will just kick Turkey out of the pact for this kind of recklessness?[/QUOTE] Extremely unlikely. Turkey is perfectly entitled to defend its own airspace. Russia is not disputing that their aircraft was violating Turkish airspace and was shot down in Turkish territory. Also extremely unlikely is any direct Russian attack on Turkish territory following this. The most I can see them doing right now is basically treating Syrian airspace as their own, shooting down any Turkish aircraft they encounter in Syria. But even that is pretty unlikely - it's actually less likely than Russia using this as an excuse to get the fuck out of Syria.

They also killed the pilots while they were parachuting [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists]which is a war crime[/url]

[QUOTE=Tacooo;49178172]They also killed the pilots while they were parachuting [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists]which is a war crime[/url][/QUOTE] That is what the Turkmen rebels claim to have done.

About time somebody stood up to Russian bullying powerplay - let's see Putin's smokescreen of "strong" politics react effectively to someone equally crass

[QUOTE=gman003-main;49178171]Extremely unlikely. Turkey is perfectly entitled to defend its own airspace. Russia is not disputing that their aircraft was violating Turkish airspace and was shot down in Turkish territory. Also extremely unlikely is any direct Russian attack on Turkish territory following this. The most I can see them doing right now is basically treating Syrian airspace as their own, shooting down any Turkish aircraft they encounter in Syria. But even that is pretty unlikely - it's actually less likely than Russia using this as an excuse to get the fuck out of Syria.[/QUOTE] yes, but, this is unprecedented aggression. Russia has done several air space violations since the Cold War started but this is the first time one of their fighters is shot down by a NATO member.

[QUOTE=Apache249;49178088]I thinks it's rather odd that the helicopter was completely off and had been for some time (rotors are completely still. You'd think a helicopter would stay on during a CSAR operation.[/QUOTE] They finished the chopper off after it had made an emergency landing following the initial AT-missile hitting it in the air. The engine could have been off for a plethora of reasons.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;49178247]They finished the chopper off after it had made an emergency landing following the initial AT-missile hitting it in the air. The engine could have been off for a plethora of reasons.[/QUOTE] Is that speculation?

[QUOTE=Inspector N;49178186]About time somebody stood up to Russian bullying powerplay - let's see Putin's smokescreen of "strong" politics react effectively to someone equally crass[/QUOTE] Probably arming Kurds [i]indiscriminately[/i]. So some weapons [i]might just[/i] find their way into groups of Kurdish terrorists's hands in Turkey. Imagine how awful that would be, no sarcasm.

[QUOTE=gudman;49178307]Probably arming Kurds [i]indiscriminately[/i]. So some weapons [i]might just[/i] find their way into groups of Kurdish terrorists's hands in Turkey. Imagine how awful that would be, no sarcasm.[/QUOTE] In the 4 years of this war though turkey is miraculously not destroyed by heavily armed Kurdish terrorists though.

Russian's are having Thanksgiving early this year boys.

reading RT comments gives me seizures

I really hope Russia does something to those damn isis funding bastards

I just hope Nato kicks Turkey the fuck out.