• Obama and the White House Come out Against SOPA!
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[QUOTE=Santz;34212939]If I'm not wrong only under extreme circumstances which means you were linked directly to a terrorist organization or so. People here in FP overreacted thinking it was an against-free-speech thing but it isn't. The NDAA wont get you into jail indefinitely for protesting or "occupying" because those are not considered terrorist acts.[/QUOTE] Do you honestly believe that there aren't politicians in the US who would detain someone for protesting against their actions? If they really wanted to they could declare someone to be a terrorist, then it'd pretty much be their word against the prisoner's. Just how DO you fight something like that? It'd be a bit like a Swallow fighting a Tyrannosaurus, the Swallow is only going to win if there are a hell of a lot of other Swallows to help in the fight.
[QUOTE=Ridge;34219295]Line item vetos are a bad idea. How about instead we hold our representatives accountable for what they foist upon us?[/QUOTE] Like the 190 House Republicans and 93 House Democrats who voted yes?
So that means if it does pass, it doesn't matter since Obama still has to sign it, but he can do a veto on it.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;34219346]Do you honestly believe that there aren't politicians in the US who would detain someone for protesting against their actions? If they really wanted to they could declare someone to be a terrorist, then it'd pretty much be their word against the prisoner's. Just how DO you fight something like that? It'd be a bit like a Swallow fighting a Tyrannosaurus, the Swallow is only going to win if there are a hell of a lot of other Swallows to help in the fight.[/QUOTE] Do you think George W. Bush would want to detain people who protested against him? Because he could have. For 7 years of his presidency he could. And Obama could have detained Tea Party participants and birthers. But they didn't. And honestly it wouldn't just be the the politician's word against the prisoner's, because people close to the prisoner would run to the media and they'd have a field day. The politician would then be under an ungodly amount of public pressure and pressure from opposing politicians. So in the end detaining someone just because they protested you would be more trouble than it's worth.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34219386]Like the 190 House Republicans and 93 House Democrats who voted yes?[/QUOTE] Don't be an ass and try to bring party politics into it. YES, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
[QUOTE=Ridge;34219746]Don't be an ass and try to bring party politics into it. YES, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.[/QUOTE] I identified both parties, don't get your pants in a bunch.
[QUOTE=Ridge;34219295]Line item vetos are a bad idea. How about instead we hold our representatives accountable for what they foist upon us?[/QUOTE] error 404 accountability not found
If the President opposes the death of internet freedom, that's a good step in the right direction; that direction being a march towards the vile cockroaches that are SOPA and PIPA, hopefully crushing both beneath the heel of the mighty boot of reason and justice.
The white house reply is just a generic pretty word text. It's written in a vague and secret way for a reason. It does not include sopa because they don't want to talk about it, they just spit some gibberish to possibly keep people happy.
I hope this includes a veto.
I had a dream last night that this bill passed. The horrors.
Looks like Obama wins again. Considering all the other presidents America has had / could potentially have this is not a bad thing IMO
[QUOTE=Motherfuckers;34222889]Looks like Obama wins again. Considering all the other presidents America has had / could potentially have this is not a bad thing IMO[/QUOTE]Doesn't win anything yet.
Words, words, words. Obama has a mighty good way of using them, especially with you guys. The article is broad as hell, how do you know that he's talking about SOPA? I will not believe a smidgen of a word until he actually follows through with it, because it's all unconvincing dribble to me. However if we doubters and naysayers turn out to be wrong, more power to you hardcore liberales. But the fact is that the gratitious use of language in the OP and the support of him because he says he'll do something makes me unsurprised that you're all getting curbstomped by him and letting NDAA be signed (for example). He's a politican, through and through. Maybe I'm just a cynic, but that's not enough to tide me over and give support. Heaven forbid people actually see through him and are not sheep. I'm sick and tired of this blind support, we should be keeping him accountable and on his toes, not just rolling over and submitting. Not supporting SOPA in the slightest, I'm just casting my doubts that he'll actually follow through with the veto and he's just saying words to make you guys happy. We can all have a party once he actually does go through with it.
[QUOTE=Motherfuckers;34222889]Looks like Obama wins again. Considering all the other presidents America has had / could potentially have this is not a bad thing IMO[/QUOTE] Not really. He was also against parts of the NDAA, he was against war in the middle east and against prosecuting users of medical marijuana.
[QUOTE=Contag;34220128]error 404 accountability not found[/QUOTE] There's a simple solution really. Every time you see one of these outrageous bills come about, check and see if congressmen from your state supported it. If they did, write down their name and the bill they supported. Put the paper in an open spot so that it will always remind you of their treachery. Kindle a fire in your heart until election season comes, then let it free by joining a campaign against them. Let all know that the current man in office betrayed us and oust him when voting comes.
[QUOTE=Contag;34213004]Remember, Obama said this and caved on it. If there's enough political pressure, he could just as easily cave on this as well. They've already taken out the DNS bit to help it pass.[/QUOTE] This is different, the people voting republican DON'T care about the internet. That was about taxes, which affects everyone in everyway possible, so of course a massive shit storm was gonna start against him by the ill-informed masses.
Obama is gunning for re-election. This is great and all, but it won't change my vote by a long shot. He has never shown himself to be a decisive and strong leader.
[QUOTE=Swilly;34225520]This is different, the people voting republican DON'T care about the internet.[/QUOTE] That is the most idiotic thing I've seen you say.
[QUOTE=Ridge;34227882]That is the most idiotic thing I've seen you say.[/QUOTE] well they don't seem to care about their rights or their freedom or not getting used by the rich
[QUOTE=Contag;34227982]well they don't seem to care about their rights or their freedom or not getting used by the rich[/QUOTE] Or just human rights in general.
[QUOTE=Contag;34227982]well they don't seem to care about their rights or their freedom or not getting used by the rich[/QUOTE] The GOP is certainly nowhere near perfect. But did you ever stop to think that the people registered as Republican don't fall perfectly in line with some of their crazy ideas?
Might make a slightly less shit offer, making them look like good guys to average joe. Still be wank I reckon but good news for now.
[QUOTE=Ridge;34243140]The GOP is certainly nowhere near perfect. But did you ever stop to think that the people registered as Republican don't fall perfectly in line with some of their crazy ideas?[/QUOTE] Then they shouldn't vote republican.
[QUOTE=Miskav;34260046]Then they shouldn't vote republican.[/QUOTE] He's implying that they already don't agree with Democrats, so they have to vote for a Republican in order to elect a person that will represent what views they have. In my opinion though, I find to analyse Republican voters you would have to do it on a state by state basis. The people who elected someone like John McCain into Congress must be somewhat different from the people who elected BACHMANN.
[QUOTE=-Matt-94;34226081]Obama is gunning for re-election. This is great and all, but it won't change my vote by a long shot. He has never shown himself to be a decisive and strong leader.[/QUOTE] I'd rather have someone not lead us anywhere significant (Obama) than someone who will strongly lead us into our graves (all of the current Republican candidates)
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