Bernie Sanders Introduces Bill to End Federal Ban on Marijuana
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[QUOTE=Durandal;49053087]The ohio legalization bill was a big piece of shit though. It basically allowed pot to only be grown by a small group of people and basically said you had to do an extraordinary amount of work to allow anyone else to grow and sell. Even legalization supporters hated it.[/QUOTE]
Speaking as a Ohioan, yes, that was essentially it. 10 individuals owned 10 farms, and if they ever decided to open more to keep up with demand, those 10 would pretty much be asked "hey do you want to open another farm." And if they say yes, no one else can open another farm. Plus, I talked with a woman at a smoke shop near to me about it, and she said she voted no because those 10 chose the stores to supply to, and they could only pick a limited amount, so they would just pick the highest bidders, and ruin most chances for profit.
It was a shitty monopoly, or at the very least an oligopoly.
[QUOTE=Jrose14;49053658]Speaking as a Ohioan, yes, that was essentially it. 10 individuals owned 10 farms, and if they ever decided to open more to keep up with demand, those 10 would pretty much be asked "hey do you want to open another farm." And if they say yes, no one else can open another farm. Plus, I talked with a woman at a smoke shop near to me about it, and she said she voted no because those 10 chose the stores to supply to, and they could only pick a limited amount, so they would just pick the highest bidders, and ruin most chances for profit.
It was a shitty monopoly, or at the very least an oligopoly.[/QUOTE]
Sounds more like a legalized cartel to me.
Ultimately for the better, totally agree. It's better to have patience and wait for an updated proposal without the government enforced oligopoly.
In reference to the Ohio bill.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;49052434]The truth is from what I've seen both sides have idiots. Being an idiot isn't necessarily correlated with either party.
Honestly I'm more afraid of the the far righters because they're a comparatively larger minority and more willing to disregard all common sense.
Look at Anti-Vaccination activists and the Religious Right for starters. Oh and don't forget the KKK.
On the other hand, the left wing has idiots who want to legalize all drugs, raise taxes on everyone, believers in Marxist-economics, black-supremacists, etc.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure if you knew what the fuck you were talking about, you'd know it's not an idiotic thing to legalize all drugs.
[QUOTE=Megadave;49053910]it's not an idiotic thing to legalize all drugs.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure that legalizing [b]all[/b] drugs is probably a bad idea in itself.
I can see the reasoning for legalizing marijuana, but to legalize heroin, krokodil, or cocaine is a laughably bad idea.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49053925]I'm pretty sure that legalizing [b]all[/b] drugs is probably a bad idea in itself.
I can see the reasoning for legalizing marijuana, but to legalize heroin, krokodil, or cocaine is a laughably bad idea.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps if you legalize them in all sectors it'd be a bad idea, but why not legalize small possessions. It allows people to not go to prison for something non-violent, and still gets the fuckers that push the shit. Putting people in jail for only injecting isn't going to get us anywhere. Not to mention it doesn't work.
[QUOTE=Megadave;49054019]Perhaps if you legalize them in all sectors it'd be a bad idea, but why not legalize small possessions. It allows people to not go to prison for something non-violent, and still gets the fuckers that push the shit. Putting people in jail for only injecting isn't going to get us anywhere. Not to mention it doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
You don't need to legalize small possessions to do that.
Adopt the drug policy of Portugal instead, where the drugs are still illegal, but its decriminalized. If you are found using heroin or whatever you get medical treatment instead of going to prison.
It's a much superior system that sees people who are abusing drugs getting the help they need instead of being locked away.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49053925]I'm pretty sure that legalizing [b]all[/b] drugs is probably a bad idea in itself.
I can see the reasoning for legalizing marijuana, but to legalize heroin, krokodil, or cocaine is a laughably bad idea.[/QUOTE]
the argument for legalization of all drugs across the board is that they can be taxed, regulated, and instead of being demonized they would eventually become normalized and people would be much more educated about their use
also the more drugs that are legal the fewer dangerous black/grey (research chemical) market shit people will consume like krokodil which only exists for this reason
[QUOTE=Dori;49054086]the argument for legalization of all drugs across the board is that they can be taxed, regulated, and instead of being demonized they would eventually become normalized and people would be much more educated about their use
also the more drugs that are legal the fewer dangerous black/grey (research chemical) market shit people consume like krokodil which only exists for this reason[/QUOTE]
you can still cover these problems through just decriminalizing the drug and expanding healthcare facilities for it though. there isn't any real need or push for legalisation
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49054297]you can still cover these problems through just ng the drug and expanding healthcare facilities for it though. there isn't any real need or push for legalisation[/QUOTE]
Decriminalization in California seems to still create a quasi legal market.
Legalizing all drugs would be a sneaky way to employ eugenics. :v:
Overdoses would probably become an epidemic.
[QUOTE=false prophet;49056523]Legalizing all drugs would be a sneaky way to employ eugenics. :v:
Overdoses would probably become an epidemic.[/QUOTE]
and the CIA using harlem to launder southeast asian and south american heroin wasn't
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[QUOTE=Xystus234;49052241]I'd like for it to pass, but it won't.
I mean, fuck the potheads lock them up right?
Cause with the failure in Ohio to legalize pot I'm starting to think the country is going to lean right wing very soon, if it isn't already.[/QUOTE]
ohio's bill was so bad even the pro-pot groups said people should vote it down. don't confuse it with the larger issue, ohio's bill was toxic
[QUOTE=Dori;49054086]the argument for legalization of all drugs across the board is that they can be taxed, regulated, and instead of being demonized they would eventually become normalized and people would be much more educated about their use
also the more drugs that are legal the fewer dangerous black/grey (research chemical) market shit people will consume like krokodil which only exists for this reason[/QUOTE]
Right as opposed to legalizing heroin so people get addicted to that instead. Perfectly normal to die of overdoses and allow people to push the shit on kids, right?
[I]SMH[/I]
Mandatory rehab should be the punishment if you get caught with crack or heroin. Not locking them in jail on on hand, but making the shit legal is stupid. Pushing it though should send you to jail.
Aren't cigarettes legal, taxed, and there's massive amounts of information about them but people still use them anyways?
Feel the bern of this Marijuana.
Hope this doesn't pass so my country doesn't lose drug tourism. Somehow I feel like a big reason for people to visit the Netherlands is to smoke marijuana.
[QUOTE=Ripvayne;49051299]What's wrong with doing that? He has always been pro-legalization.[/QUOTE]
Kind of weird how he would only introduce it now
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[QUOTE=Satansick;49056692]Hope this doesn't pass so my country doesn't lose drug tourism. Somehow I feel like a big reason for people to visit the Netherlands is to smoke marijuana.[/QUOTE]
Pfft people don't need to go to Dutchland to smoke I guarantee it
[QUOTE=DropDeadTed;49056733]Kind of weird how he would only introduce it now
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Pfft people don't need to go to Dutchland to smoke I guarantee it[/QUOTE]
He's introducing the bill now because its a very good play on his part, right as the election is picking up its mass. He's been openly pro-legal for a while, if that's what you're trying to get at
[QUOTE=false prophet;49056523]Legalizing all drugs would be a sneaky way to employ eugenics. :v:
Overdoses would probably become an epidemic.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Legalizing all drugs actually reduced drug-crime in Portugal when they did it. It's safer for drug users to be able to get help without being arrested. Clean needle dispensaries also help this.
As it stands, the most illegal "hard" drugs are the ones at epidemic levels in some areas, like crack, heroin, and meth.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;49056583]Right as opposed to legalizing heroin so people get addicted to that instead. Perfectly normal to die of overdoses and allow people to push the shit on kids, right?
[I]SMH[/I]
Mandatory rehab should be the punishment if you get caught with crack or heroin. Not locking them in jail on on hand, but making the shit legal is stupid. Pushing it though should send you to jail.[/QUOTE]
It's more complicated than that. When it's legal and there's no more black market, it would actually be pushed on kids much less in this situation. The reason for this is because legalization makes drugs so cheap that the country could open up a bunch of safe zones where they distribute controlled doses of heroin to addicts, at no cost to the patient, cutting out dealers entirely. A dealers prices could never beat "free". They actually do this in some countries. It works tremendously well at addressing the drug problem. It allows people who are living with addiction to actually have a real life, and it also makes it more obvious that it's a bad thing because if you ever wanted to do it, you'd have a real doctor standing right there like hey, it's your life to throw away pal.
Users are always going to use, no matter what. You can't stop that. But you can legalize it, making it safe cheap and much more effective, offer people education and help, and if they still choose that, that is their decision. It's just ridiculous and completely unhelpful to arrest people for that. It helps nothing. Addicts need treatment, not a criminal record that harms their future.
[QUOTE=Satansick;49056692]Hope this doesn't pass so my country doesn't lose drug tourism. Somehow I feel like a big reason for people to visit the Netherlands is to smoke marijuana.[/QUOTE]
People go to amsterdam for amsterdam, not for the weed
Realistically this bill will go nowhere, or at least not in a timely fashion. Probably will be tabled.
Great publicity for Sanders. Hopefully the voters who need to see this, do. I get the feeling his campaign is going to make-or-break it on whether the (liberal) millennials show up to vote.
Honestly up here in NH we've done a superb job of rehabbing heroin addicts alongside providing designated needle disposals in public areas so no ones sharing shit, and its still a MASSIVE problem here. In fact, right now is worse than its [I]ever been[/I] in New Hampshire. Decrim small amounts with mandatory treatment, sure. Making it legal won't help shit in the problem areas though.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49056650]Aren't cigarettes legal, taxed, and there's massive amounts of information about them but people still use them anyways?[/QUOTE]
Eh. Comparing tobacco to marijuana isnt really a good thing. They dont have a lot in common beyond that they can both be smoked.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;49057161]Eh. Comparing tobacco to marijuana isnt really a good thing. They dont have a lot in common beyond that they can both be smoked.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I was making my point in reference to the legalize all drugs argument the guy made earlier.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;49056583]Right as opposed to legalizing heroin so people get addicted to that instead. Perfectly normal to die of overdoses and allow people to push the shit on kids, right?
[I]SMH[/I]
Mandatory rehab should be the punishment if you get caught with crack or heroin. Not locking them in jail on on hand, but making the shit legal is stupid. Pushing it though should send you to jail.[/QUOTE]
People use drugs regardless of whether or not they're legal. Kids use drugs because they live in shitty neighborhoods and have no hope for the future.
When drugs are illegal, you have to keep your usage on the low low. A quiet drug is a problem drug and people won't seek out treatment for fear of being arrested or being ostracized by their peers as a criminal. When drugs are legal, but treated as a public health issue, people use clean needles, commit less crime associated with those drugs, and usage becomes less of a "problem drug".
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEGJZTgb3aU&feature=youtu.be[/media]
^ This is what we ought to do with drugs
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49057153]People go to amsterdam for amsterdam, not for the weed[/QUOTE]
They've got a huge tourist market that's heavily based on a mixture of bud and the ever famous red light district. Yes, not everyone goes there for the ganja, but a huge amount of people go their for the openness of that culture. Weed cafes make [I]retarded[/I] money
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49057177]People use drugs regardless of whether or not they're legal. Kids use drugs because they live in shitty neighborhoods and have no hope for the future.
When drugs are illegal, you have to keep your usage on the low low. A quiet drug is a problem drug and people won't seek out treatment for fear of being arrested or being ostracized by their peers as a criminal. When drugs are legal, but treated as a public health issue, people use clean needles, commit less crime associated with those drugs, and usage becomes less of a "problem drug".
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEGJZTgb3aU&feature=youtu.be[/media]
^ This is what we ought to do with drugs[/QUOTE]
I can swing with the decriminalization of personal use with mandatory rehab sentencing, but selling or encouraging use in any way should be a criminal act.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49057182]They've got a huge tourist market that's heavily based on a mixture of bud and the ever famous red light district. Yes, not everyone goes there for the ganja, but a huge amount of people go their for the openness of that culture. Weed cafes make [I]retarded[/I] money[/QUOTE]
I don't mean nobody goes there for the weed, I mean that people go there for AMSTERDAM weed. You can get weed anywhere, but you can only get the amsterdam experience in amsterdam.
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[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49057189]I can swing with the decriminalization of personal use with mandatory rehab sentencing, but selling or encouraging use in any way should be a criminal act.[/QUOTE]
I think selling should be criminal as well.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;49052434]The truth is from what I've seen both sides have idiots. Being an idiot isn't necessarily correlated with either party.
Honestly I'm more afraid of the the far righters because they're a comparatively larger minority and more willing to disregard all common sense.
Look at Anti-Vaccination activists and the Religious Right for starters. Oh and don't forget the KKK.
On the other hand, the left wing has idiots who want to legalize all drugs, raise taxes on everyone, believers in Marxist-economics, black-supremacists, etc.[/QUOTE]
Anti-vax is mostly left wing, and black supremacy is an extremely conservative movement.
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