Bernie Sanders Introduces Bill to End Federal Ban on Marijuana
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[QUOTE=Pantz Master;49057302]Anti-vax is mostly left wing, and black supremacy is an extremely conservative movement.[/QUOTE]
anti-vax are also very conservative christians who believe in faith healing
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;49057302]Anti-vax is mostly left wing, and black supremacy is an extremely conservative movement.[/QUOTE]
Anti-Vax is a right wing, "don't tread on my rights big government" movement.
[QUOTE=Propane Addict;49057341]Anti-Vax is a right wing, "don't tread on my rights big government" movement.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the whole foods natural organic left wing.
[QUOTE=Falubii;49052667]Antivax is hardly a right wing phenomena.[/QUOTE]
I'd say the Anti-Vaccination is an extreme right and left thing. I mean, after all, the political spectrum is honestly more like a horseshoe than a line.
[QUOTE=Megadave;49057352]Don't forget the whole foods natural organic left wing.[/QUOTE]
Lmao fads =\= extreme side movements
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49057392]Lmao fads =\= extreme side movements[/QUOTE]
The left wing/hippie "all natural" movement is not a lmao fad. It is widespread and well subscribed.
I feel like a lot of left wing extreme movements/groups are written off as fads. Most are, but not all.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;49057519]The left wing/hippie "all natural" movement is not a lmao fad. It is widespread and well subscribed.
I feel like a lot of left wing extreme movements/groups are written off as fads. Most are, but not all.[/QUOTE]
It's had such an insane downturn in media proliferation im actually surprised. When I can LITERALLY say 'that's so 2013', its a fad.
Tho it is funny that people genuinely think they're up there with people who believe in heavy taxation or crazy pushers for more religious representation, that's for sure
There's an awful lot of both rightwing and leftwing nutters who hate vaccines (among other things), often for similar reasons.
Going to the extreme right, it can be because they think the government is actually run by a secret cabal bent on global domination, that maybe even science itself is wrong (and they come up with an alternate methodology), etc. You can see this in Alex Jones saying its the NWO wanting to control us, or some crazy religious people who think that only prayer to god can save them and that vaccines don't work.
As for the extreme left (soviet-style communists, many anarchists, and the like), many of them believe the same for often much the same reasons. There's a view that whoever controls the vaccines is malicious, or that mainstream science is wrong or simply just an afterthought beholden to the demands of political theory.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49057209]I don't mean nobody goes there for the weed, I mean that people go there for AMSTERDAM weed. You can get weed anywhere, but you can only get the amsterdam experience in amsterdam..[/QUOTE]
Good point, however once weed becomes fully legalized drug tourism will definitely decline; furthermore, the United States as of now seems to lean towards full legalization while the Netherlands actually has some bullshit half-legalization policy (Dutch: gedoogbeleid) and the police are actually heavily cracking down on the still illegal growing of cannabis. My point being that once weed is fully legalized in the States American growers will have such a competitive advantage that they'll overtake the Dutch marijuana industry. I would be very mournful if this would happen.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49056650]Aren't cigarettes legal, taxed, and there's massive amounts of information about them but people still use them anyways?[/QUOTE]
I think the problem with cigarettes is that they have such a long history of use and being one of the sole legal drugs like alcohol that people have a hard time letting go of them. marijuana being legal across the board would deal a big blow to cigarettes over time especially since marijuana can be consumed in much healthier forms such as edibles, vaping, and concentrates (less plant material burned for more high)
[QUOTE=Dori;49058376]I think the problem with cigarettes is that they have such a long history of use and being one of the sole legal drugs like alcohol that people have a hard time letting go of them. marijuana being legal across the board would deal a big blow to cigarettes over time especially since marijuana can be consumed in much healthier forms such as edibles, vaping, and concentrates (less plant material burned for more high)[/QUOTE]
Marijuana can also be seen as a complementary good to tobacco. I know a lot of people in the Netherlands smoke joints contained with weed mixed with cigarettes. I've heard Americans don't care much for this but it's a preferred way of cannabis consumption for many people.
[QUOTE=Dori;49058376]I think the problem with cigarettes is that they have such a long history of use and being one of the sole legal drugs like alcohol that people have a hard time letting go of them. marijuana being legal across the board would deal a big blow to cigarettes over time especially since marijuana can be consumed in much healthier forms such as edibles, vaping, and concentrates (less plant material burned for more high)[/QUOTE]
Legalizing it might also help with the scattered reports I've seen of people having issues from wax/shatter because the idiots making the stuff don't remove all of the butane before selling it/using it.
[QUOTE=Satansick;49057648]Good point, however once weed becomes fully legalized drug tourism will definitely decline; furthermore, the United States as of now seems to lean towards full legalization while the Netherlands actually has some bullshit half-legalization policy (Dutch: gedoogbeleid) and the police are actually heavily cracking down on the still illegal growing of cannabis. My point being that once weed is fully legalized in the States American growers will have such a competitive advantage that they'll overtake the Dutch marijuana industry. I would be very mournful if this would happen.[/QUOTE]
Dude imagine if europeans came from all over to come to the US for drug tourism.
that'd be a moment of patriotism for me.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49057104]He's introducing the bill now because its a very good play on his part, right as the election is picking up its mass. He's been openly pro-legal for a while, if that's what you're trying to get at[/QUOTE]
No I'm trying to say that it's kind of weird that he's been pro legal for quite some time and waited until this came up to use it as a "vote for me" card
Seems a bit... dishonest? not sure what would be a better descriptor but I think it would be a bit more earnest if he were to have introduced this bill a long time ago and then cited that in his campaign rather than do it right now.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49052044]You got a solution I'm willing to hear it.
Can't just say fancy words.[/QUOTE]
I can say my fancy words just as much as your empty nothing words.
Obviously you have a solution to our problems as evidenced by your post. Do share.
[QUOTE=DropDeadTed;49060068]No I'm trying to say that it's kind of weird that he's been pro legal for quite some time and waited until this came up to use it as a "vote for me" card
Seems a bit... dishonest? not sure what would be a better descriptor but I think it would be a bit more earnest if he were to have introduced this bill a long time ago and then cited that in his campaign rather than do it right now.[/QUOTE]
The election just barely started getting steam and besides, if this were introduced say a year ago we'd have never heard of it because it'd be shot down so cast. Now with more states showing interest, Canada doing their thing, and other countries considering it as a whole this is probably the best time to try and push it
[QUOTE=Xystus234;49052241]I'd like for it to pass, but it won't.
I mean, fuck the potheads lock them up right?
Cause with the failure in Ohio to legalize pot I'm starting to think the country is going to lean right wing very soon, if it isn't already.[/QUOTE]
Legalized marijuana is inevitable. Ohio's bill didn't pass only because it was incredibly toxic. It placed the control of the entire marijuana industry in that state in the hands of just a few businessmen, essentially outlawing all other would-be entrepreneurs from participating. Even marijuana advocacy groups opposed it, because they're holding out for a better bill.
But you have to consider, moral arguments for legalization aside, Colorado made so much fuckin' money in marijuana taxes that they literally didn't know what to do with it. They had to have a public vote to determine whether they should just give the extra $60m smackeroos they had laying about back to the taxpayers, or to use it on public projects and such. When you're looking at money on that scale, the "[I]well, I think pot is for losers[/I]" mentality starts to be overshadowed by the power of cold, hard cash.
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[QUOTE=DropDeadTed;49060068]No I'm trying to say that it's kind of weird that he's been pro legal for quite some time and waited until this came up to use it as a "vote for me" card
Seems a bit... dishonest? not sure what would be a better descriptor but I think it would be a bit more earnest if he were to have introduced this bill a long time ago and then cited that in his campaign rather than do it right now.[/QUOTE]
How is using the fact that he is willing to defend and act on the beliefs and policies he has always stood for "dishonest?" Isn't it, like, the exact opposite of "dishonest?" Bernie didn't [I]just decide[/I] to hop on the pot bandwagon, he's been a long-time advocate of legalization. Besides that, it's only now that this kind of legislation would even make sense to try to implement. Prior to the point where states started legalizing the substance on their own accord, there was no reason to push for the fed to abandon its ban on it, because there was no contention between state and federal powers. simply coming out fifteen years ago and saying, "end the federal ban on marijuana!" would be met with eye-rolls. Now that more and more states are doing it on their own accord, however, the ban either has to be lifted or the federal government has to order the states to stop because of the conflict between state and federal powers as they're currently defined. Ending the federal ban essentially just leaves it up to the individual state on whether they want to control the substance.
So this policy isn't even "pro-marijuana" so much as it is just a necessary piece of legislation to clarify state and federal powers in controlling the particular substance.
[QUOTE=false prophet;49056523]Legalizing all drugs would be a sneaky way to employ eugenics. :v:
Overdoses would probably become an epidemic.[/QUOTE]
Overdoses doesn't occur because drugs exist in society, they occur because of a whole range of different social factors ranging from the stigmatization of (ab)users in society, laws which criminalizes desperate people who need help and not punishment, etc
Drugs can never be 'the problem', it's how society chooses to treat them which matters
[editline]6th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49056650]Aren't cigarettes legal, taxed, and there's massive amounts of information about them but people still use them anyways?[/QUOTE]
Yea but they are and have been at the same time been massively encouraged for many previous years, been heavily infested into popular culture (smoking cancers = cool) and constantly being marketed in a lot of different ways. It's heavily integrated into many of our cultures, like alcohol, so of course people are going to use them, especially maybe when they are proposed as the only socially acceptable alternatives perhaps (but that is a whole another different area of questions).
As much of a nice dream as it is, I really do feel that any bill of this sort has no chance on a federal level. I understand why he's done this completely, and it makes sense for a campaign of course
But speaking purely as an american, it just feels like a losing battle
[QUOTE=KingKombat;49062040]As much of a nice dream as it is, I really do feel that any bill of this sort has no chance on a federal level. I understand why he's done this completely, and it makes sense for a campaign of course
But speaking purely as an american, it just feels like a losing battle[/QUOTE]
In what sense? Could you elaborate? Such a bill isn't just possible, it's necessary. The alternative to this bill defining marijuana ad a substance in the realm of state power to regulate is the federal government following its own statutes coming down on the states which have since legalized recreational marijuana, crushing an established multi-billion dollar industr, which simply isn't going to happen.
As more people take notice of the SICK amounts of money that Colorado is raking in, legalization only becomes inevitable. Nobody will be able to deny that kind of money forever. It's literally just a matter of time.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49063936]As more people take notice of the SICK amounts of money that Colorado is raking in, legalization only becomes inevitable. Nobody will be able to deny that kind of money forever. It's literally just a matter of time.[/QUOTE]
Well the question is the motives, California in 2010 stopped a measure that would have let big investors in, and Ohio just had to deal with another bill that would have made a select few hundreds of millions. States have so far been very aware that they could create the next big tobacco and with that all the headaches and social problems caused by for-profit vice businesses
Right now its 47 chances of that happening, there needs to be a federal approach to this before special interest corporate lobbies get involved and we have to spend another 50 years reigning in another big corporation. I'd much rather a federal framework be in place as states legalize it instead of having each state take a whack at it in their own way because one of them will create a cartel like they tried in California and ohio
[QUOTE=Satansick;49056692]Hope this doesn't pass so my country doesn't lose drug tourism. Somehow I feel like a big reason for people to visit the Netherlands is to smoke marijuana.[/QUOTE]
Only a bloody Dutchman.
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