Obama's jobs bill blocked in Senate vote - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Glaber;32755142]really? You had to check to see that he wasn't me? In any case, in relation to the "jobs" bill, this was expected. [url=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/12/ap_headline_makes_me_look_like_nostradamus_senate_republicans_vote_to_kill_obama_s_jobs_bill]AP Headline Makes Me[RUSH] Look like Nostradamus: "Senate Republicans Vote to Kill Obama's Jobs Bill‎"[/url][/QUOTE] Vote to kill? VOTE TO KILL? The voted to continue debate on it you ponce, and even that was only accomplished by 1 vote, I don't imagine they'll be so lucky when it comes to the actual passage of it.

[QUOTE=daijitsu;32755165]it's pretty cold cut as "THIS FIXES EVERYTHING AND IS PERFECT", but with any political news it's usually presented by someone with a loyalty to one side or another. Go figure. still, there's too much being trampled for too little reason, even given recent past with this senate that throws hissy fits and doesn't let anyone have their way. that was a terrible attempt at turning that around does he actually respond with something valid, or is it just uninformed dry political jargon? seems to have potential[/QUOTE] He at least tries when he responds. He doesn't really make a fool of himself.

[QUOTE=SomeDumbShit;32754951]Are.. are you serious.. normally with that name and avatar I'd say gimmick account..[/QUOTE] I get that a lot. I am serious, he is barely progressive. He barely fought for DADT to be repealed, he didn't fight against the patriot act, he didn't fight against bush tax cuts, he has this stupid "look forward" policy at the bush administration, he hasn't closed down gitmo, we're still not out of Iraq, he barely fought during the debt ceiling debacle, he is going after marijuana dispensaries in states where it is legal, he plays from the republican side, his administration fights against progressives like elizabeth warren, van jones , fires Shirley (?) Sherrod over a doctored clip. And above all, he hasn't fought for campaign finance reform of any sort.

[QUOTE=daijitsu;32755165]it's pretty cold cut as "THIS FIXES EVERYTHING AND IS PERFECT"[/QUOTE] According to the very same biased sources you mentioned. This is another huge spending bill that will supposedly be paid for over the next 10 years, assuming Congress doesn't decide to spend more money (like that has ever happened, amirite? [quote]that was a terrible attempt at turning that around[/quote] Turning what around? I simply suggested that people on both sides are unhappy with politicians on both sides. Take the f'n armor off for a minute and let's have an actual conversation, shall we? [quote]does he actually respond with something valid, or is it just uninformed dry political jargon? seems to have potential[/QUOTE] Again, quit making assumptions about people you don't know and actually listen to them before you decide what they stand for. Stop resorting to passive aggressive personal attacks.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;32754992]Even if, let's say, a teacher who gets a job just because of this bill decides to splurge on a nice new Sony TV, whose to say that profit won't go towards hiring more sweatshop workers in South Korea?[/QUOTE] That's GREAT! When that TV is shipped to the United States, who unloads it from the ship? An American worker. Who loads it onto the truck? An American worker. Who drives the truck to a warehouse? An American worker. Who transports the TV to a store? An American worker. Who runs the store? American workers! Even if it's goods imported from other countries, there is a considerable amount of manpower that is needed to transport it from that country back to the store.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;32755133]I totally agree, all I'm saying is that people should keep in mind that the 2 million jobs aren't permanent, well paying desk jobs, they're temporary construction jobs.[/quote] Any step in the right direction would help right now. [QUOTE=Kopimi;32755133]Biden is literally the worst Vice President ever[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure Dick Cheney is objectively worse.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;32755216]Are you trying to imply every single American listens to both Fox News and Rush Limbaugh? If I remember correctly, Fox News supported this bill because it cut taxes.[/QUOTE] The core Republican support base does, and they've done a good job keeping them indoctrinated so far. That's all they really need. As for your second point, they're known for changing their opinions based on general Republican consensus, or at least the major Republicans anyhow. Can't deny that there are good Republicans in there too.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32755230]Any step in the right direction would help right now. I'm pretty sure Dick Cheney is objectively worse.[/QUOTE] Dick Cheney was at least someone you could root for Watching him have a heart attack every 5 minutes, I found myself rooting for him quite a bit "Come on Dick, just keep pumpin.."

[QUOTE=Glaber;32755142]really? You had to check to see that he wasn't me? In any case, in relation to the "jobs" bill, this was expected. [url=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/12/ap_headline_makes_me_look_like_nostradamus_senate_republicans_vote_to_kill_obama_s_jobs_bill]AP Headline Makes Me[RUSH] Look like Nostradamus: "Senate Republicans Vote to Kill Obama's Jobs Bill‎"[/url][/QUOTE] Hi glabs. Remember the US PATRIOT act?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32755101]They've already said how they're going to pay for it. Let the Bush Tax Cuts expire and couple that extra revenue with a 5% surtax on millionaires or wealthier.[/QUOTE] By the way, this is a good investment for the millionaires in the country. They would likely see a greater return from a good economy than their losses from taxation. This is assuming that the plan works, of course.

[QUOTE=daijitsu;32755255]Hi glabs. Remember the US PATRIOT act?[/QUOTE] I do, and I remember it was voted into law by a bipartisan Congress and that the guy who would save us all from the evils of Bushism decided to renew it, and not only that, went for the option to make it last longer than it normally would under renewal!

[QUOTE=daijitsu;32755255]Hi glabs. Remember the US PATRIOT act?[/QUOTE] Glaber has what we call a selective memory. He still thinks Sonic is cool.

[QUOTE=Glaber;32755142]really? You had to check to see that he wasn't me? In any case, in relation to the "jobs" bill, this was expected. [url=http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/12/ap_headline_makes_me_look_like_nostradamus_senate_republicans_vote_to_kill_obama_s_jobs_bill]AP Headline Makes Me[RUSH] Look like Nostradamus: "Senate Republicans Vote to Kill Obama's Jobs Bill‎"[/url][/QUOTE] I'm still not sure if you use the stupid biased sources for a laugh or because you are genuinely that right-wing that you believe it.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;32755266]The "core Republican support base" isn't anywhere near big enough to get someone in office.[/QUOTE] Neither is the "core Democratic support base". The election hinges on the moderates and undecided. If the Republicans can spin their webs well and make Obama look worse in comparison to a Republican candidate, then the Republicans win. By the way, Republicans are very adept at spinning, take a look at FNC. Not saying the Republicans have the election, but it is hardly clear cut.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32755256]By the way, this is a good investment for the millionaires in the country. They would likely see a greater return from a good economy than their losses from taxation. This is assuming that the plan works, of course.[/QUOTE] It's too bad that it's the Billionaires that get more of a say then the millionaires. [editline]13th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;32755297]Neither is the "core Democratic support base". The election hinges on the moderates and undecided. If the Republicans can spin their webs well and make Obama look worse in comparison to a Republican candidate, then the Republicans win. By the way, Republicans are very adept at spinning, take a look at FNC. Not saying the Republicans have the election, but it is hardly clear cut.[/QUOTE] The republicans will not win in the end. They can barely find a candidate that is capable of putting the same pair of shoes on. They all have shown in the past months that they have so much shit spewed that it would make the independents vote Democrat just so they dont have those crazies in power.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32755301]It's too bad that it's the Billionaires that get more of a say then the millionaires.[/QUOTE] It's a good investment for them too. In fact it is probably an even better investment. You know what kind of profits these guys could reap if the stock market started growing reliably, and their companies were in a position to expand and grow? [editline]13th October 2011[/editline] A fucking lot, that's how much.

I'm gonna break up this quote for arguments sake [QUOTE=Ridge;32755117]The question is, will they? It's an employer's market right now. They can choose to ignore people that are a good fit for a position because they've been unemployed for too long. What says this won't continue to happen?[/quote] why would they? If we provide incentives in the form of tax breaks (in the bill) then why would they hire people who aren't a good fit for what is, essentially, more money? [quote=Ridge]And that is ignoring the fact that most of the money goes to teachers and construction, which a fairly small percentage of the unemployed actually have the knowledge and skills needed to do the job.[/QUOTE] I dont understand the argument. Are you saying that because it benefits a single group of destitute and necessary skill sets instead of all of them,(which is untrue as there are provisions for most every unemployed person) it shouldn't be allowed to happen?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32755320]It's a good investment for them too. In fact it is probably an even better investment. You know what kind of profits these guys could reap if the stock market started growing reliably, and their companies were in a position to expand and grow? [editline]13th October 2011[/editline] A fucking lot, that's how much.[/QUOTE] And what does a company need when it expands and grows?

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755336]And what does a company need when it expands and grows?[/QUOTE] Is this a rhetorical question? They need capital, generally from selling stocks.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32754936]Are you like six goddamned years old? I'll meet you at the flag pole at 3 o'clock, if that's what you want. The bill hasn't been killed, it hasn't been destroyed, they just want to take part in the sole job they have, which is to discuss a bill at hand before blindly voting it. They're not as dim-witted as people like Nancy Pelosi, who believe that we should pass a bill into law, then find out what the hell it does.[/QUOTE] you are the de facto conservative archetype on facepunch you're unable to make a single post without taking a shot at democrats or the people who support them, usually being blind to the facts in the process

[QUOTE=Nikota;32755194][b]Look to the right. That look any bit racist?[/b] [editline]13th October 2011[/editline] I can go to their website and pull up more racist shit but I dont want to give them ad money.[/QUOTE] Can you point out what is racist? I honestly can't find anything racist

[QUOTE=Xain777;32755333]I'm gonna break up this quote for arguments sake why would they? If we provide incentives in the form of tax breaks (in the bill) then why would they hire people who aren't a good fit for what is, essentially, more money?[/quote] The tax break for them is the same, whether they hire Peter with 20 years experience for $35/hr, or Jonathan, with no experience, straight out of high school, for $8/hr. It's in their best interest to hire the ignorant guy for less money. I dont understand the argument. Are you saying that because it benefits a single group of destitute and necessary skill sets instead of all of them,(which is untrue as there are provisions for most every unemployed person) it shouldn't be allowed to happen?[/QUOTE] Certainly not. It's just that people seem to think that everybody will be able to get these jobs. When they are actually going to be applicable to a select few people who CAN do the job.

This bill really didn't do much of anything to create jobs anyways It just shows that FP is just as bad as the republicans because they praise a bill they know nothing about just because it came from Obama.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;32755339]After this and that bailout stuff they're going to need a miracle to convince anyone to vote for them.[/QUOTE] As sad as I am to say it, no they don't. They are doing an amazing job of blaming everything on Obama. Even when it is obviously their fault, they do an incredible job of spinning the situation to look like it is the Democrat's and Obama's incompetence.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755224]very same biased sources[/quote] I know glaber isn't capable of doing it, but can you find some unbiased sources on the matter? [quote]Turning what around? I simply suggested that people on both sides are unhappy with politicians on both sides. Take the f'n armor off for a minute and let's have an actual conversation, shall we?[/quote] you made a terribly dry swipe in turning "there will be new people in the senate" into "people on WHICH SIDE", making it seem like everyone's going to kick out a specific group, then hinted at the president. Sure you can say that, but it was probably the most obvious thing to even point out, with the added bonus of making the whole thing taste like a day old fish fillet from mcdonalds. I won't argue with someone from behind the armor of being a moderator. I don't pretend to be superior just because of my giant avatar. I prefer to actually talk instead of banning people like mods on other forums, but I almost took you down for the border guard comment because that was just a dick thing to say. [quote]Again, quit making assumptions about people you don't know and actually listen to them before you decide what they stand for. Stop resorting to passive aggressive personal attacks.[/QUOTE] you headbutted your way into the thread with that gem of a generalization and ignorance in the matters of congress's actions as of the past several years, I didn't come in with very high hopes after seeing that, but I like you so far. like the other guy said, you actually respond when someone makes a post worth note, instead of ignoring it and moving on to something you want to reply to.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32755349]you are the de facto conservative archetype on facepunch you're unable to make a single post without taking a shot at democrats or the people who support them, usually being blind to the facts in the process[/QUOTE] I thought Glaber was? I'm a libertarian. I want to be able to own guns while my multiple wives can abort their kids in favor of gay ones or whatever the fuck it is they want to do.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;32755339]After this and that bailout stuff they're going to need a miracle to convince anyone to vote for them.[/QUOTE] According to polls [url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html]here,[/url] Obama is evenly matched again Romney, and only has slight leads over Perry and Paul. It's not looking as good as you think for Obama's second term.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755380]I thought Glaber was? I'm a libertarian. I want to be able to own guns while my multiple wives can abort their kids in favor of gay ones or whatever the fuck it is they want to do.[/QUOTE] This was so unfunny and misguided I seriously don't even understand who you were trying to appeal to with this

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755380]I thought Glaber was? I'm a libertarian. I want to be able to own guns while my multiple wives can abort their kids in favor of gay ones or whatever the fuck it is they want to do.[/QUOTE] Ahaha that is the best libertarian post I've ever read. [editline]13th October 2011[/editline] Bah Kopimi have a heart.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;32755397]This was so unfunny and misguided I seriously don't even understand who you were trying to appeal to with this[/QUOTE] I'm just saying that I believe in individual freedoms. I'm not a conservative. I am pro choice. If someone wants to be gay, cool, have fun. If gays want to marry, then have at it. Let them be miserable like the rest of us.