Obama's jobs bill blocked in Senate vote - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755006]Because the fix is temporary. It's another huge spending bill that will have a temporary benefit, and then in a year or two, we'll be at this exact spot again.[/QUOTE] How does that make sense? Most of these provisions are not temporary, only the construction jobs are. and most of those are going towards improving infrastructure and thus making more jobs possible. I can see why you are against it since you were against the un-payed-for tax breaks for the wealthy though, right?

[QUOTE=Xain777;32755432]How does that make sense? Most of these provisions are not temporary, only the construction jobs are. and most of those are going towards improving infrastructure and thus making more jobs possible. I can see why you are against it since you were against the un-payed-for tax breaks for the wealthy though, right?[/QUOTE] Construction jobs are temporary. With any luck, the teaching jobs will be long term, but the way cities are cutting back school budgets and laying off teachers while the management keeps their perks and support staff, I don't have a lot of hope for it. And I was absolutely against the unpaid tax breaks and whatnot that were passed by George Bush and renewed by Barack Obama. Our country can't afford them with the out of control spending the government has been doing for the past decade.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32754864]I'm I was in President Obama's place, in my final months in office. I would use my power as the head of the military to have the Republicans responsible tried for treason.[/QUOTE] Are you drunk or what? Anyway, once again, republicans are throwing tantrums when they don't get what they want. How surprising.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;32754790]Republican bill proposed by Obama Gets voted down by Republicans Whatever happened to a little thing called treason? I'm not saying you have to go along with the President but they are literally trying to block any progress, even if it is their way of doing it.[/QUOTE] You are forgetting something: If a democrat votes against a bill from Palin or Bachmann, then its treason. If its a Republican voting against a bill that Obama has proposed and they support what it has, but votes against it because of Obama, its okay because he is a Democrat and its only treason when its a Democrat voting against a Republican. Besides, they want him to be a one term President, they will try to spin this by saying the Republicans saved them from a horrible default, or that the "jobs bill" would give millions of jobs to illegal immigrants. And the sad part, some of them will believe them. Hell, some of them was going to let the United States default on the debt so they can use that against the President(and yes, Bachmann the crazy bitch supported her decision on refusing the budget plan).

[QUOTE=Atlascore;32754853]No they won't, public support for the Republicans has been falling like a rock for a while now. "News channels and papers: Republicans voted against bill that would have created millions of jobs and cut taxes" There is literally no way they can spin this to make it look positive for them.[/QUOTE] You underestimate the ignorance and stupidity known as the American public.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;32755449]Are you drunk or what? Anyway, once again, republicans are throwing tantrums when they don't get what they want. How surprising.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? They got exactly what they wanted out of this vote. [editline]12th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ForcedDj;32755450]You are forgetting something: If a democrat votes against a bill from Palin or Bachmann, then its treason. If its a Republican voting against a bill that Obama has proposed and they support what it has, but votes against it because of Obama, its okay because he is a Democrat and its only treason when its a Democrat voting against a Republican. Besides, they want him to be a one term President, they will try to spin this by saying the Republicans saved them from a horrible default, or that the "jobs bill" would give millions of jobs to illegal immigrants. And the sad part, some of them will believe them. Hell, some of them was going to let the United States default on the debt so they can use that against the President(and yes, Bachmann the crazy bitch supported her decision on refusing the budget plan).[/QUOTE] It's not treason for them to do their job, which is to debate bills presented before them. It SHOULD be treason for them to vote on bills based on their corporate benefactors rather than the people they are supposed to represent.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;32755351]Can you point out what is racist? I honestly can't find anything racist[/QUOTE] I generally find extremely flamboyant and mocking pictures of a person of race on a republican website to be somewhat racist.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;32755364]This bill really didn't do much of anything to create jobs anyway[/QUOTE] How would it have done anything, it hasn't even passed yet.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755456]What are you talking about? They got exactly what they wanted out of this vote.[/QUOTE] And how do you think they got what they wanted? Throwing tantrums because the president wasn't sucking their metaphorical dicks hard enough.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32755475]I generally find extremely flamboyant and mocking pictures of a person of race on a republican website to be somewhat racist.[/QUOTE] Your primary problem then is that you are defaulting to race on this. It could be about his politics, or the friends he keeps, but you have to jump directly to skin color. You're sounding kinda racist....

[QUOTE=yawmwen;32754922]Which is alright. Those are mostly the only jobs the government can create anyways. The economic theory behind it is that it gives money to otherwise unemployed people, who then spend the money at stores and shit. That increase in demand causes a store or corporation to be able to expand and hire more workers. It is sort of like using a defribulator, you give a single shock to the heart and the heart does the rest of the work. Or you give a single spike to demand and the economy starts doing the rest of the work, in theory.[/QUOTE] Only problem I can see with that is that the businesses will merely maintain their current workforce rather than expand it, maximizing profit while increasing stress on employees, which is a probability because as said construction jobs are only temporary, and any business owner with half a brain would see that. [QUOTE=Nikota;32755009]In a year or two there will also be different people sitting in the Senate.[/QUOTE] Different people, same party-centric tittybaby mentality at the rate we're going. [QUOTE=Nikota;32755097]It's not going to happen. There's not a single GOP/Republican candidate that's competent enough to lead. The smartest person there is Ron Paul and I only say that because he has a medical background. Ron Paul would be a terrible leader.[/QUOTE] It's a terrible list of choices in 2012: A president whom many argue is spineless, or one of a handful of asylum escapees. IF a Republican ABSOLUTELY HAD TO BE ELECTED, however, I know I certainly wouldn't want Bachman in office, god-damn. What good would a president with an IQ lower than a box of paperclips be to this country?

[QUOTE=Nikota;32755475]I generally find extremely flamboyant and mocking pictures of a person of race on a republican website to be somewhat racist.[/QUOTE] Are you referring to the magazine cover?

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755447]And I was absolutely against the unpaid tax breaks and whatnot that were passed by George Bush and renewed by Barack Obama. Our country can't afford them with the out of control spending the government has been doing for the past decade.[/QUOTE] Good that you were against the unpaid tax breaks, bad that you blame Obama for trying to work with republicans.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;32755482]And how do you think they got what they wanted? Throwing tantrums because the president wasn't sucking their metaphorical dicks hard enough.[/QUOTE] Not really. They voted. Which is what they are paid to do. They followed the regulations of Congress, and what happened, happened.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755487]Your primary problem then is that you are defaulting to race on this. It could be about his politics, or the friends he keeps, but you have to jump directly to skin color. You're sounding kinda racist....[/QUOTE] I'm not the one who made the picture though. If the man intended for it to be racist and he goes through with it. Good for him, he just got capital from gullible idiots.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32755475]I generally find extremely flamboyant and mocking pictures of a person of race on a republican website to be somewhat racist.[/QUOTE] Wow this is literally the perfect example of someone using the race card in a totally unrelated scenario [b]That isn't what racism is[/b] It's stupid but it isn't racism, stop acting like a child [img]http://www.highrollerscycleseats.com/george_bush_constitution.jpg[/img] WHOEVER MADE THIS PICTURE CLEARLY HATES WHITE PEOPLE I DEMAND JUSTICE

[QUOTE=Xain777;32755492]Good that you were against the unpaid tax breaks, bad that you blame Obama for trying to work with republicans.[/QUOTE] What? Are you criticizing me for blaming Obama for his actions?

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755447]Construction jobs are temporary. With any luck, the teaching jobs will be long term, but the way cities are cutting back school budgets and laying off teachers while the management keeps their perks and support staff, I don't have a lot of hope for it. And I was absolutely against the unpaid tax breaks and whatnot that were passed by George Bush and renewed by Barack Obama. Our country can't afford them with the out of control spending the government has been doing for the past decade.[/QUOTE] So again, what is the alternative currently on the table? The 9-9-9 plan? Whatever other "jobs plan" fair tax proposal the GOP spits out on a regular basis? You want to be critical of what will create jobs, their plan has almost nothing to do with jobs, just an indirect notion that lower regulation becomes more jobs.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755380]I thought Glaber was? I'm a libertarian. I want to be able to own guns while my multiple wives can abort their kids in favor of gay ones or whatever the fuck it is they want to do.[/QUOTE] If you're such a libertarian why do you seem to align yourself with the GOP, whose lack of respect for personal freedoms puts them farther from libertarianism than the Democrats are

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32755538]If you're such a libertarian why do you seem to align yourself with the GOP, whose lack of respect for personal freedoms puts them farther from libertarianism than the Democrats are[/QUOTE] Please provide for me an example of where I was more GOP leaning than Libertarian. And I don't mean just pointing out that the GOP is not the single group of people responsible for today's mess, because there is enough blame to go around.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755514]What? Are you criticizing me for blaming Obama for his actions?[/QUOTE] no I'm criticizing you for thinking that working with elected officials is a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Xain777;32755553]no I'm criticizing you for thinking that working with elected officials is a bad thing.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's a bad thing. I'm just tired of Obama getting the credit when a GOP-supported plan works, and the GOP being blamed when their plan, signed into law by Obama, backfires.

I need some citations Ridge.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32755578][h2]I need some citations Ridge.[/h2][/QUOTE] as much as I like the added amount of talk, Ridge, I'm still waiting for you to post some news on this story that isn't biased, aka "not fox news" nor anything you'd see biased on the other side. Politifact doesn't seem to have anything on this filibuster right now, I'll be keeping an eye on that.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755565]I don't think it's a bad thing. I'm just tired of Obama getting the credit when a GOP-supported plan works, and the GOP being blamed when their plan, signed into law by Obama, backfires.[/QUOTE] I'll be glad to give Obama the credit when the GOP disavows those positions they used to hold just to oppose the president.

Recently, our political system has gone down the drain. Our current system is a two-party system, the democrats versus the republicans, with both sides having their own platform that they preach to us every election. The promises are never met, the ideas are never true which makes elections turn into a "don't vote for X because they did Y" instead of the candidates telling us why we should vote for them like it should be. Then, once the candidates are elected (oh joy, people voting for people they do not know) they take over the spot held by the incumbent (unless re-elected). It seems like every time there is an election it seems like filibuster is formed in either the house or the senate which can veto bills with just their votes (>50%). Recently the republicans have held the filibuster and frankly, their killing the US. I am going to try to write this as unbiased as possible but, it’s damn near impossible. Today, the senate because of the republican filibuster vetoed the American Jobs Act. Now, normally this would not be a big deal due to them not agreeing on it or whatever their excuse is but not this time. This time the bill sided alongside the republican and the democratic platforms. If the bill where to have been passed and signed in to law the following would follow over time: [quote] 1. Cutting and suspending $245 billion worth of payroll taxes for qualifying employers and 160 million medium to low income employees. 2. Spending $62 billion for a Pathways Back to Work Program for expanding opportunities for low-income youth and adults. 3. Spending $50 billion on both new & pre-existing infrastructure projects. 4. Spending $49 billion on extending unemployment benefits for up to 6 million long-term beneficiaries. 5. Spending $35 billion in additional funding to protect the jobs of teachers, police officers, and firefighters. 6. Spending $30 billion to modernizing at least 35,000 public schools and community colleges. 7. Spending $15 billion on a program that would hire construction workers to help rehabilitate and refurbishing hundreds of thousands of foreclosed homes and businesses. 8. Creating the National Infrastructure Bank (capitalized with $10 billion), originally proposed in 2007, to help fund infrastructure via private and public capital. 9. Creating a nationwide, interoperable wireless network for public safety, while expanding accessibility to high-speed wireless services. 10. Creating additional regulations on businesses who discriminate against hiring those who are long-term unemployed.[/quote] Many people can come up with great reasons why this is bad for America but I cannot. Frankly, what is outlined there is perfectly ok with me to be signed into law. Who wouldn't want modern schools? Who wouldn't want spending cuts? Who wouldn't want new bridges and roads? Who wouldn't want a debt reduction? No One. We all want the good in the community but if these old men who fight over archaic issues with the country and do not focus on the new, and streamline politics that have been in place for the past couple of years this country will not advance. We will not have prosperity. We will struggle as a world power. We need to start looking past political party lines and get some commonsense in the congress. Slap a 45-year-old construction worker from Montana in there, stick some firefighters in there, stick someone who has worked for their life and knows how to get things done. Most Americans, including myself, would agree that the people currently in office are dragging their tails and that they are more concerned about their own re-election then what they are elected to do. Healthcare reform? How about Political reform. -- Sorry if it has bad grammar/rambles.. its a rant post.

[QUOTE=daijitsu;32755600]as much as I like the added amount of talk, Ridge, I'm still waiting for you to post some news on this story that isn't biased, aka "not fox news" nor anything you'd see biased on the other side. Politifact doesn't seem to have anything on this filibuster right now, I'll be keeping an eye on that.[/QUOTE] It is impossible to find a well known news website that will be unbiased about anything political. All the news organizations have political leanings. I could probably find some obscure blog that might have a more balanced look at the topic at hand, but it would deservingly be shot down as unreliable.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755552]Please provide for me an example of where I was more GOP leaning than Libertarian. And I don't mean just pointing out that the GOP is not the single group of people responsible for today's mess, because there is enough blame to go around.[/QUOTE] You're rather apologetic for them. In this very thread you beat around the bush by saying that the Patriot Act was "passed by a bipartisan congress" instead of calling it was it really was: a republican-introduced piece of legislation signed by a republican president. Yes, Obama is an asshole for extending it, but what do you think would have happened if he didn't? The GOP and conservative media would be all over him for being soft on terror or something.

[QUOTE=Ridge;32755657]It is impossible to find a well known news website that will be unbiased about anything political. All the news organizations have political leanings. I could probably find some obscure blog that might have a more balanced look at the topic at hand, but it would deservingly be shot down as unreliable.[/QUOTE] I think that is the best answer ever. second best is the one below, I believe.

[QUOTE=Nikota;32755287]Glaber has what we call a selective memory. He still thinks Sonic is cool.[/QUOTE] I like what I like, regardless of coolness. [QUOTE=SomeDumbShit;32755288]I'm still not sure if you use the stupid biased sources for a laugh or because you are genuinely that right-wing that you believe it.[/QUOTE] Who says it can't be both? [QUOTE=daijitsu;32755600]as much as I like the added amount of talk, Ridge, I'm still waiting for you to post some news on this story that isn't biased, aka "not fox news" nor anything you'd see biased on the other side. Politifact doesn't seem to have anything on this filibuster right now, I'll be keeping an eye on that.[/QUOTE] Will BBC do? [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15267269]Republicans block Obama jobs bill[/url]