More British Muslims have joined Islamist militant groups than serve in the country’s armed forces - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47534626]And they're also regular people brought into the religious fanaticism needed. Nobody is born a religious nut, that's something they are taught, or threatened into.[/QUOTE] I'd imagine that, like with most religions, people often follow what their parents believe. They're likely indoctrinated from birth, and going from "Sharia Law Supporter" to "Member of ISIS" takes only a small stepping stone.

ISIS loves it though, they use them as propaganda, "Look at our brothers from Britain joining our fight! Even they come here to fight for our cause! The west must be truly evil if our they join us here."

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47535469]Fuck your asshole in the sky and your books, slaying innocent people is wrong, fundamentally like 95% of the shit they're implementing is wrong, one nice tidy example being gang raping children and selling them as sex slaves. Great idea for a devout muslim and a fucking terrible person. [/QUOTE] Wasn't your government actively defending these people while they were grooming children throughout Britain since the 80s?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47531874]In the last ten years alone, the population of Muslim immigrants living within the UK has increased by almost 80%. The vast majority of the Muslim population of the UK are only first or second generation immigrants, many of which immigrated pretty specifically to leave war-torn areas behind. Add that to the fact that the leading Western military engagements in the world over the past fifteen to twenty years are against their former homelands, and that chief among them was the highly criticized invasions by the US (which is what spawned the newest fighting anyway). Is it any wonder that there isn't a lot of desire for them to take up arms in national service? They'd be fighting in wars against their own former countrymen that were started under dubious circumstances and which directly led to the formation of even more extreme terrorist groups than existed initially. Furthermore, the general attitude towards Muslims in the UK doesn't seem to be especially warm. [B]It could even be safely argued that they're treated like second class citizens.[/B] That certainly doesn't inspire a sense of pride in their new homes. It makes a great deal of sense that enlistment rates would be rock bottom.[/QUOTE] This shit is really condescending towards Muslims. You're making Muslim people seem like they're unable to make their own decisions, and that they're all victims.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;47536244]This shit is really condescending towards Muslims. You're making Muslim people seem like they're unable to make their own decisions, and that they're all victims.[/QUOTE] It's pretty clear people are treated as second class citizens when 0.0002% / 650 of them doing something bad makes international news.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;47537303]It's pretty clear people are treated as second class citizens when 0.0002% / 650 of them doing something bad makes international news.[/QUOTE] This is some faulty ass logic. Not saying Muslim aren't treated badly in some cases (I wouldn't go so far as to call them "second-class citizens, though), but we get reports on singular cases all the time. "We shouldn't have news on the a few police men in Ferguson at all, white people are treated like second class citizens!" Is it not newsworthy when a small but significant number of people decide to abandon a life in relative excess to fight for a barbaric organization in a country some of them may never really have visited? It isn't like this is a dumb article - moonlessnight obviously has its own agenda, but this isn't some article saying "mooslims are evil". We have a problem with integration here in Denmark, and obviously there's (undeserved) animosity towards muslims from some parts of the population. ISIS and radicalism in general is still a terrible issue within the muslim community, though, there's no way getting around that - even if the number of actual recruits is relatively small.

[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;47535278]Whoa! I never pointed at anything that English people are doing in particular. And, as someone who looks Arab, I've been treated poorly by people who have mistaken my race in my country, I'm not suggesting that you're complete racists and that the United States are a bunch of saints. I'm just curious why you're getting the jihadist ones and we've been getting the liberal ones. I don't have a solution or a specific suggestion, I just find it interesting. There was no reason for you tell me "screw you."[/QUOTE] Ergh sorry, I was tired. You're completely right, I take it back. [QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47535469]Not one single fucking person goes over there thinking they won't be killing people, I don't believe any fucking one of them thought they would be joining ISIS accounting department.[/QUOTE] I agree - but if you can convince someone that it is fundamentally the right thing to do to kill non-believers, we haven't got much hope of demonstrating otherwise as everything we say becomes reinforcement. Large quantities of the population already distrust politicians, are disenfranchised with the media in general and many will feel left out by society. Add a bit of religious nutwashery, show impressionable minds that we are blaspheming against divine power and it's quite amazing what you could make people do. So therefore we get teenage/slightly older, mostly male people being radicalised and they travel to join an organisation which they believe has been lied about in the Western media. The vision of a romantic, justified holy struggle against non-believers probably stuck in their minds. Obviously when they get there it's rather different and then many try to come back - but then what happens? We say we won't accept them, and if they try and leave they'll get executed anyway. It is an incredibly difficult problem, for which I have no solution beyond preventing radicalisation in the first place. However, that's pretty difficult in a free society where most people are free to do and say what they want.

Well we don't exactly give the best impression for Muslims joining the armed forces. They're not treated equally despite Army 2020, they're not given the food or rations that their religion requires, if you think it's difficult to be a muslim male in the army, it's a hell of a lot worse being muslim female in it.

Journalism 101: How to spin the investigative story "Why are so few Muslims in the British army?" into the non-investigative "More British Muslims are in ISIS than in British Army"

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;47542909]Journalism 101: How to spin the investigative story "Why are so few Muslims in the British army?" into the non-investigative "More British Muslims are in ISIS than in British Army"[/QUOTE] The latter is a statistical declaration though. You can argue the motives for posting such information in the first place, but it's not spin unless you can prove there's some ulterior motive at play trying to influence the perceptions people have.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;47542909]Journalism 101: How to spin the investigative story "Why are so few Muslims in the British army?" into the non-investigative "More British Muslims are in ISIS than in British Army"[/QUOTE] More like Sensationalist Headlines 101. The full article is actually a very good read.