Antimatter Cloud Discovered - IT'S MINING TIME BOYS - Polidicks

[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;21821457]Antimatter is basically matter with reversed charges. So a proton is negative and an electron is positive. So anti-ions will still be attracted (Minutely) to the opposite charge - which is basically magnetism, unless I'm totally underthinking this.[/QUOTE] and the results are explosive, yes. But seriously, if you're trying to figure out an idea on how to transfer it, that will not work.

[QUOTE=GamerKiwi;21821495]Just wait, once space travel's possible, the US is going to call dibs on that cloud.[/QUOTE] The US will be promptly attacked by every nation on the face of the earth in a unilateral act of blood lust and rage, That cloud belongs to everyone and I guarantee people will die over the ownership of that cloud.

[QUOTE=BAZ;21819915]It's possible there's a whole universe made from anti-matter. There's also theories that the universe started as anti-matter and matter, but for some reason still unknown, matter came out ontop.[/QUOTE] I can imagine another galaxy, but it being antimatter with matter as the rarer one. I can imagine the antimatter-humans going all "DID YOU HEAR? THEY FOUND A MATTER CLOUD!! ITS HUUUUUUGEEE, MAAAAN!!!"

Let's touch it.

[QUOTE=bravehat;21821567]The US will be promptly attacked by every nation on the face of the earth in a unilateral act of blood lust and rage, That cloud belongs to everyone and I guarantee people will die over the ownership of that cloud.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that cloud is a real spark of greed and war if ever aproached.

[QUOTE=veribigbos1;21821600]I can imagine another galaxy, but it being antimatter with matter as the rarer one. I can imagine the antimatter-humans going all "DID YOU HEAR? THEY FOUND A MATTER CLOUD!! ITS HUUUUUUGEEE, MAAAAN!!!"[/QUOTE] It's that shit that makes the universe worth exploring :unsmith:

[QUOTE=veribigbos1;21821600]I can imagine another galaxy, but it being antimatter with matter as the rarer one. I can imagine the antimatter-humans going all "DID YOU HEAR? THEY FOUND A MATTER CLOUD!! ITS HUUUUUUGEEE, MAAAAN!!!"[/QUOTE] They would call normal matter anti matter and anti matter - matter.

The moment planet Earth starts mining antimatter, we will stop using money. Or we won't sell/buy antimatter, we will simply share it. Or we will use it to destroy the planet while trying to kill off North Korea or something. [editline]01:16AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Razor sharp;21821623]They would call normal matter anti matter and anti matter - matter.[/QUOTE] But what if they didn't? All is possible [editline]01:17AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Razor sharp;21821613]Yeah, that cloud is a real spark of greed and war if ever aproached.[/QUOTE] Its that point that mankind will have to choose, to either bury its differences, or face extinction from endless wars over antimatter.

[QUOTE=bravehat;21821567]The US will be promptly attacked by every nation on the face of the earth in a unilateral act of blood lust and rage, That cloud belongs to everyone and I guarantee people will die over the ownership of that cloud.[/QUOTE] And the fact that it's it's bloody far away wouldn't be a problem? By the way; If it's close to the galactic center, we see/detect it as it was 25 000 years ago, it is highly possible that it doesn't exist anymore.

[QUOTE=Razor sharp;21821534]and the results are explosive, yes. But seriously, if you're trying to figure out an idea on how to transfer it, that will not work.[/QUOTE] I'm probably wrong, but this is how I think of it. [IMG]http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn182/flapjack-93/antimatter.png[/IMG] You trap the antimatter in a vacuum between several large charged particles of matter.

[QUOTE=bravehat;21821567]The US will be promptly attacked by every nation on the face of the earth in a unilateral act of blood lust and rage, That cloud belongs to everyone and I guarantee people will die over the ownership of that cloud.[/QUOTE] Anyone who could claim it first would have a complete monopoly on it once it's weaponized, though.

Probably late but: HO SHI-

[QUOTE=Herr Sven;21821681]And the fact that it's it's bloody far away wouldn't be a problem? By the way; If it's close to the galactic center, we see/detect it as it was 25 000 years ago, it is highly possible that it doesn't exist anymore.[/QUOTE] 25 000 years isn't much on a universal scale, you know.

[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;21821457]Antimatter is basically matter with reversed charges. So a proton is negative and an electron is positive. So anti-ions will still be attracted (Minutely) to the opposite charge - which is basically magnetism, unless I'm totally underthinking this.[/QUOTE] Sorta. Electrons have a charge of -1e (because there's one electron in an electron and electrons are negative). Positrons (the antimatter equivalent of electrons) have a charge of +1e, which is the opposite of electrons. So you're right on that note. However, they're not attracted to electrons unless they get incredibly, incredibly close, according to Coulomb's Law. (The further apart subatomic particles get, regardless of charge, the less pull they feel). And it's measured in Angstroms, which are ridiculously small. The ideal way to collect antimatter would be with a net, if you will. Basically it would be a giant cone with a funnel at the end. The opening would be highly polarized so the antimatter would be inert for a small amount of time so it wouldn't risk a giant death explosion. The inside of the cone would have to be incredibly positively charged so if the positrons got close, they'd be pushed away regardless of velocity (there's a rule for this but I forget it.) Then it's simply a matter of holding them in suspension via vacuum canisters until they can be used. I think. Eudoxia's probably a better source than I am.

[QUOTE=Herr Sven;21821681]And the fact that it's it's bloody far away wouldn't be a problem? By the way; If it's close to the galactic center, we see/detect it as it was 25 000 years ago, it is highly possible that it doesn't exist anymore.[/QUOTE] If someone claims that cloud those that realise how valuable it is will not be pleased, and why don't we move in it's direction and colonise on the way there. Who knows, as we get closer to the galaxies centre we may even find older races. :unsmith:

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;21821694]Anyone who could claim it first would have a complete monopoly on it once it's weaponized, though.[/QUOTE] Nobody is stupid enough that they would use it against their own kind, after spending all that time and effort to mine it and transport it to Earth. Its a task no single country would likely be capable of.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;21821694]Anyone who could claim it first would have a complete monopoly on it once it's weaponized, though.[/QUOTE] True, but it ain't no turkey shoot, anti matter might be able to literally blow a ship in half, but at the end of the day all you need as a piece of tungsten the size of a person :c00l:

[QUOTE=veribigbos1;21821718]25 000 years isn't much on a universal scale, you know.[/QUOTE] I know. However: Cloud of antimatter surrounded by matter? I'm amazed it even is possible. And 25 000 years is much on a human timescale, which poses a BIG problem against the idea about mining it.

Actually, I was mistaken. There are actually two ways of storing antimatter. One method involves keeping magnetized antiprotons in a container of frozen hydrogen. The magnetic field and the deep cold would keep the particles from bouncing into the walls and destroying themselves. The other method involves allowing positrons and antiprotons (the mirror twins of normal electrons and protons) to clump together into antiatoms of antihydrogen. The device that does this (theoretically) is called an Ioeffe Trap (which, coincidentally, Einstein and Bose used to theorize the existence and study of Bosons).

[QUOTE=Herr Sven;21821847]I know. However: Cloud of antimatter surrounded by matter? I'm amazed it even is possible.[/QUOTE] Space is a vacuum. It doesn't specify the distance between the antimatter and nearest matter.

[QUOTE=Zinayzen;21821727]Sorta. Electrons have a charge of -1e (because there's one electron in an electron and electrons are negative). Positrons (the antimatter equivalent of electrons) have a charge of +1e, which is the opposite of electrons. So you're right on that note. However, they're not attracted to electrons unless they get incredibly, incredibly close, according to Coulomb's Law. (The further apart subatomic particles get, regardless of charge, the less pull they feel). And it's measured in Angstroms, which are ridiculously small. The ideal way to collect antimatter would be with a net, if you will. Basically it would be a giant cone with a funnel at the end. The opening would be highly polarized so the antimatter would be inert for a small amount of time so it wouldn't risk a giant death explosion. The inside of the cone would have to be incredibly positively charged so if the positrons got close, they'd be pushed away regardless of velocity (there's a rule for this but I forget it.) Then it's simply a matter of holding them in suspension via vacuum canisters until they can be used. I think. Eudoxia's probably a better source than I am.[/QUOTE] I'll do a little bit of research on that, it will take me a week or so, but i guess it's worth it for the sake of knowledge and self education as for now, i'm off, bye.

[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;21821866]Space is a vacuum. It doesn't specify the distance between the antimatter and nearest matter.[/QUOTE] Electromagnetic radiation like light exists in vacuum. Even the light would pose a problem.

[QUOTE=Herr Sven;21821905]Electromagnetic radiation like light exists in vacuum. Even the light would pose a problem.[/QUOTE] photons have no mass.

[QUOTE=Razor sharp;21821976]photons have no mass.[/QUOTE] But they exist. That's enough.

[QUOTE=Herr Sven;21822007]But they exist. That's enough.[/QUOTE] e=mc^2 e = 0 * (3.0*10^8)^2 No explosion.

[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;21822037]e=mc^2 e = 0 * (3.0*10^8)^2 No explosion.[/QUOTE] And all the other paricles that constantly moves about the galactic center? Point is; It's highly improbable for it to exist for long.

[QUOTE=Herr Sven;21822099]And all the other paricles that constantly moves about the galactic center? Point is; It's highly improbable for it to exist for long.[/QUOTE] Mass attracts mass. You won't ever get lone particles, and if you did it would only destroy an equal mass of antimatter. So in order to destroy all the antimatter there, you need an equal size of matter. Which would be an immense amount of matter.

[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;21822134]Mass attracts mass. You won't ever get lone particles, and if you did it would only destroy an equal mass of antimatter. So in order to destroy all the antimatter there, you need an equal size of matter. Which would be an immense amount of matter.[/QUOTE] And the fact that it's right next to the bloody galactic centre? Anyhow; Seemingly, it exists. What I complained about was that people thought we could mine it.

[QUOTE=Herr Sven;21822099]Point is; It's highly improbable for it to exist for long.[/QUOTE] How would it have formed such a huge cloud then? Wouldn't it have been destructed by matter even before gathering into a huge cloud? [editline]01:46AM[/editline] Thats actually something I can't quite comprehend. How it possibly formed into the center of a galaxy, that is.

Wouldn't it be worth nothing if there was lots of it?