Obama: U.S. weighing steps to 'isolate Russia' over Ukraine crisis - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;44116929]America can't seem to keep it's Red White and Blue cock out of everyone else's ass, and the Russian's aren't having it so I'm just going to post up with popcorn and enjoy the ride.[/QUOTE] I think you completely misunderstand the article and situation.

Time to get a game of DEFCON in so I know whats going to happen.

[quote]Obama said that Russia's military moves in Crimea violated international law, [B]adding that "no country has a right to send in troops to another country unprovoked."[/B][/quote] :v:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44117303]:v:[/QUOTE] Maybe some countries are not actually countries? Conspiracy?

[QUOTE=Sage470;44116171][url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570335/Former-British-Ambassador-Moscow-warns-Russia-invaded-Ukraine-difficult-avoid-going-war.html[/url] As the artical says an old treaty with the UK and the US may have both obligated to go to war with Russia.[/QUOTE] The thing about treaties, especially old ones, is that there is [I]always[/I] a loophole for signed countries to wiggle their way out of if they feel like it. I'm pretty sure America won't declare war on Russia because of Ukraine or this piece of paper.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;44116321]It is correct though, bad source or not, Russia has violated the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, so unless they plant some nukes in Crimea to make it look like Ukraine also violated it, then the US is obligated to force Russia out. Now whether anyone is actually going to bother upholding the obligation is another matter entirely.[/QUOTE] Russia's too big and scary, that means they'll get at least one free pass before anyone does dick

[QUOTE=bisousbisous;44117295]Time to get a game of DEFCON in so I know whats going to happen.[/QUOTE] play grand strategy if you really want to know what's gonna happen (it's always 100% accurate)

[QUOTE=Reshy;44116696]Why the fuck do they have any right to take the land of a sovereign nation just because there happens to be a large population of ethnic Russians there? So any time a country gets a majority in the population their originating nation can invade and say that "yeah this area's mine now"?[/QUOTE] That's how it was done in centuries. Destabilized regions (purposefully or by coincidence) were open for the taking if you were scary enough and especially if there was many of your people in said region. This is nothing new. I'm not really sure how it's gonna work out in current economy age, though.

You're making a mistake here, and that is taking putin's word as true.Russians being there is just the pretext he's choosen. It was the same pretext in georgia 2008. He's acting in the same manner as then, handing out russian passports to the populace. Anyways...being a common occurance in history(destabilising regions) does not make it right. Especially in the case of ukraine where deportations and border redrawing were a signature move of stalin during USSR times.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;44116933]You just described the exact situation that the Sudetenland was in.[/QUOTE] oh shit he's right

[QUOTE=godfatherk;44118398]You're making a mistake here, and that is taking putin's word as true.Russians being there is just the pretext he's choosen. It was the same pretext in georgia 2008. He's acting in the same manner as then, handing out russian passports to the populace. Anyways...being a common occurance in history(destabilising regions) does not make it right. Especially in the case of ukraine where deportations and border redrawing were a signature move of stalin during USSR times.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it's right, it's fucked up and straight up bullshit excuse to take over land, but that's how they've been doing it for a long time, and apparently still doing it. All I'm saying is that this shouldn't come as a surprise.

hey fuck you and your sanctions, groceries are already pretty damn expensive

[QUOTE=damnatus;44121383]hey fuck you and your sanctions, groceries are already pretty damn expensive[/QUOTE] Id rather Russia have expensive groceries then have it annex territories with no fear of repercussions

[QUOTE=Kyle902;44121596]Id rather Russia have expensive groceries then have it annex territories with no fear of repercussions[/QUOTE] why exactly we should suffer for our government's actions

[QUOTE=damnatus;44121735]why exactly we should suffer for our government's actions[/QUOTE] You make it sound like they specifically targeted you, or your economic class. Whether you like it or not, you are part of Russia. Things that happen to Russia will most likely affect you. That's what happens when you live in the civilized world. Now, this is the part where I say since you live in the civilized world you can make a difference and have a say in your government to make it so stuff like this doesn't happen. But since you live in an autocracy, it doesn't apply.

[QUOTE=damnatus;44121735]why exactly we should suffer for our government's actions[/QUOTE] Because apparently for some reason the Western world doesn't want to make people in power suffer. Putin's power is supported by his friends - oligarchs, big business, gas, oil, tech etc. Arrest their accounts, revoke their visas, throw them off of their countries etc. But no, let's impose trade sanctions on the whole country that would do nothing. It's surprising really. Every single on of the leaders in the West is aware of what the situation in Russia is, and yet they go out of their way to avoid the real leverages on Russian government. Isolate Russian oligarchs and they themselves would drive Putin out of power in a matter of months.

[QUOTE=damnatus;44121735]why exactly we should suffer for our government's actions[/QUOTE] Normally I would say it is because it's because your people voted for those in power, but you live in Russia.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44116632]Firstly, the situation is different. [I]Majority[/I] of Crimea is Russian. It's been Russian territory in relatively recent history. And lastly, Russia doesn't want anything from most of the Ukrainian state, they want [I]just[/I] Crimea. Secondly, I didn't say anything about appeasement, and I honestly don't have any great idea, but excuse me if I am not all hot over the idea of another worldwide recession.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Some Austrian dude;44116632]Firstly, the situation is different. [I]Majority[/I] of [B]Sudentenland[/B] is [B]German[/B]. It's been [B]German/Austrian[/B] territory in relatively recent history. And lastly, [B]Germany[/B] doesn't want anything from most of the[B] Czechoslovakian[/B] state, they want [I]just[/I] [B]Sudentenland[/B]. [/QUOTE] yeah

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;44116632]Firstly, the situation is different. [I]Majority[/I] of Crimea is Russian. It's been Russian territory in relatively recent history. And lastly, Russia doesn't want anything from most of the Ukrainian state, they want [I]just[/I] Crimea. Secondly, I didn't say anything about appeasement, and I honestly don't have any great idea, but excuse me if I am not all hot over the idea of another worldwide recession.[/QUOTE] It's not the majority btw. Around 33% of Crimea is Russian. Also that doesn't matter. Crimea is legally sovereign Ukrainian territory. Russia has literally zero right to claim Crimea.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;44121925]It's not the majority btw. Around 33% of Crimea is Russian. Also that doesn't matter. Crimea is legally sovereign Ukrainian territory. Russia has literally zero right to claim Crimea.[/QUOTE] Well they did.. and it's 58% Russian.... while Sevastopol is 71%.

[QUOTE=seano12;44116232]I'm tempted to link some Ron Paul images after seeing this, but I'm much too lazy. I don't think the treaty will be honored, what about you guys?[/QUOTE] Hrmmm, Honor the treaty and risk nuclear war? Or don't and be able to wake up tomorrow. I think the answer is obvious.

[QUOTE=Mech Bgum;44122579]Well, it's not Ukraine's fault that Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine and our amazing politicians in 90s didn't claim it in the first place after collapse of the Soviet Union leaving military bases and all that.[/QUOTE] Fresh water comes into Crimea from Ukraine. There were more pressing matters than wasting money on desalination facilities in there in the 90s. So that's kind of noone's fault.

[QUOTE=Mech Bgum;44122630]Well, military is kind of a big deal, our amazing politicians of the 90s were just too busy privatizing country's goods to bother about it. They got an agreement to keep using it and felt good about it not thinking long term prospects. Today we take responsibility for that, not Ukraine.[/QUOTE] Everything was mostly fine until the revolution though. Fine, as in, not too bad.

[QUOTE=gudman;44122645]Everything was mostly fine until the revolution though. Fine, as in, not too bad.[/QUOTE] Either way, the Government was corrupt as hell, lost all it's funds due to corruption and poor management, and the President made an obvious power-grab for himself.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44122754]Either way, the Government was corrupt as hell, lost all it's funds due to corruption and poor management, and the President made an obvious power-grab for himself.[/QUOTE] That has been happening since the Ukraine got independence. Corruption, mismanagement, incopetence etc. Pretty much Russia^2.

If we invade someone, that's bad and we should be isolated. Yet when US invaded Yugoslavia, for example, no one argued.

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;44122833]If we invade someone, that's bad and we should be isolated. Yet when US invaded Yugoslavia, for example, no one argued.[/QUOTE] it's funny how that works right

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;44122833]If we invade someone, that's bad and we should be isolated. Yet when US invaded Yugoslavia, for example, no one argued.[/QUOTE] When did the United States [b]invade[/b] Yugoslavia????

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;44122833]If we invade someone, that's bad[/QUOTE] correct

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;44122833]If we invade someone, that's bad and we should be isolated. Yet when US invaded Yugoslavia, for example, no one argued.[/QUOTE] no point in arguing, everyone already sees russia as the main bad guy