Richard Dawkins announced as 2012 recipient for ‘Services to Humanism’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Stockers678;36288779][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0O8t4zXQy8[/media] Guess again![/QUOTE] This idea has pretty much been tackled numerous times on this forum

[QUOTE=Turnips5;36288676]A feminist respects someone's right to their personal space and empathises with their desire not to feel threatened. Don't ask people out when they're trapped in a box with you. It's usually awkward at most for guys (and probably barely ever happens), but can be threatening to women (and there's a much higher chance of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trauma_trigger]triggering a woman[/url], considering [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/14/1-in-5-women-report-sexual-assault]nearly 1 in 5 women[/url] have suffered rape or attempted rape. I don't think Dawkins knew this, but he also did the whole "people elsewhere have it much worse, so you should shut up" schtick, which flies with barely anyone in other situations (starving african kids is not an argument here etc.)[/QUOTE] 1. This guy wasn't trying to threaten her; he didn't come up to her wearing a balaclava and brandishing a knife to ask her if she would like some coffee. 2. Once again, not everyone is as spatially aware as others. 3. Not all rape victims are that easily triggered. Some obviously are, and that is understandable considering what happened to them, but I assume that most wouldn't because most rapes do not occur in elevators. And once again, he most likely was not trying to threaten her. 4. Dawkins was saying that she was complaing about nothing; he wasn't trying to diminish her argument by pointing to something worse, because to him, there wasn't even an argument to diminish.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36288748]While I certainly respect the feelings of rape victims, the world cannot grind to a halt for fear of something triggering them. It's a shitty situation to be in, I'm well aware, but it's not the rest of the world that has to recover from it.[/QUOTE] I agree that it's not something that should or can be legislated against, and I definitely do not feel that the guy in the elevator knew that he was going to make her feel incredibly uncomfortable, but I just feel it's something that people would benefit from being aware of.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36288478]Yeah but come on, asking a random woman to your apartment who you just got into an elevator with is pretty sexist and demeaning to women, like hes assuming all women are out to fuck. [/QUOTE] What if he was gay and would have said it to a man? Or if he was female and do the same thing? You wouldn't complain would you?

[QUOTE=Turnips5;36288828]I agree that it's not something that should or can be legislated against, and I definitely do not feel that the guy in the elevator knew that he was going to make her feel incredibly uncomfortable, but I just feel it's something that people would benefit from being aware of.[/QUOTE] And that's certainly why advocacy groups exist--to inform the public on such things. Witch hunts do not accomplish those ends.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36288648]No I'm saying its sexist because of the way women are treated in society.[/QUOTE] The only place they're truly ''mistreated'' and oppressed in is the Middle East. That's where they're treated like property for procreation.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36288748]Given the choice between openess and forwardness being the norm and everyone being quiet, introverted and sexually repressed out of respect for those victims, I'm going to choose openness and forwardness and apologize later if it becomes a problem. You can't expect everyone to stop moving forward in their lives because they might step on some toes. Just don't be a dick about it when you do.[/QUOTE] Yeah as always I think "don't be a git" is a good yardstick. I'm not saying people should never ask anyone out or that we should become sexually repressed again, I just think it's the whole "trapped in a box" thing that gets me. Trying to get a woman to come back to yours for coffee in an elevator because you know she can't get away immediately is kind of cowardly, if nothing else.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;36288930]Yeah as always I think "don't be a git" is a good yardstick. I'm not saying people should never ask anyone out or that we should become sexually repressed again, I just think it's the whole "trapped in a box" thing that gets me. Trying to get a woman to come back to yours for coffee in an elevator because you know she can't get away immediately is kind of cowardly, if nothing else.[/QUOTE] Being awkward isn't misogyny, though. It's just being awkward. Expecting men to stop being awkward around women they find attractive is wholly unreasonable. That will [I]never[/I] happen. Hanlon's Razor: Assume cockup before conspiracy. In a situation like this, in retrospect, one should assume the man was just being inept and not that he was being derisive or conspiring to rape.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;36288828]I agree that it's not something that should or can be legislated against, and I definitely do not feel that the guy in the elevator knew that he was going to make her feel incredibly uncomfortable, but I just feel it's something that people would benefit from being aware of.[/QUOTE] Of course we would all benefit from it. Unfortunately, we cannot always be aware of what others are thinking. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to, and maybe this guy should have, but even then we cannot expect others to know [i]exactly[/i] how a person feels. [QUOTE=Turnips5;36288930]Trying to get a woman to come back to yours for coffee in an elevator because you know she can't get away immediately is kind of cowardly, if nothing else.[/QUOTE] "Muahaha, I have trapped you Rebecca. You must now follow me back to my room for sex!" *The elevator doors open, Rebecca walks out.* "Curses! That always seems to happen..."

[QUOTE=Lankist;36288874]And that's certainly why advocacy groups exist--to inform the public on such things. Witch hunts do not accomplish those ends.[/QUOTE] Agreed again.

[QUOTE=znk666;36288870]What if he was gay and would have said it to a man? Or if he was female and do the same thing? You wouldn't complain would you?[/QUOTE] Well no it wouldn't because they'd both be of the same sex, so it wouldn't really be sexist, at least not in this kind of situation any way, I've seen others where women have tried to justify disgusting sexist ways of treating women unfortunately, but this wouldn't be one.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36288956]Well no it wouldn't because they'd both be of the same sex, so it wouldn't really be sexist, at least not in this kind of situation any way, I've seen others where women have tried to justify disgusting sexist ways of treating women unfortunately, but this wouldn't be one.[/QUOTE] How is it that because it happens to one group instead of another, it immediately becomes sexist?

[QUOTE=Patriarch;36288989]How is it that because it happens to one group instead of another, it immediately becomes sexist?[/QUOTE] Well I can't say it's definitely sexist I'll admit, but considering women are usually the victims of sexism rather than men, it's more reasonable to assume that a man would be sexist to a woman than a woman be sexist to a man.

man, I barely even care about this shit compared to how much I want sanius to come back and fucking acknowledge that he made a mistake this isn't the first time he's just left when I called him out either

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36287832]Antitheist refers to someone who actively tries to argue against and diminish theism. Militant atheist could be another term, but I personally hate militant atheism because it draws a comparison between it and militant theism(which people blow themselves and other people up over).[/QUOTE] Militant atheism isn't a thing. The quickest way to see when someone is wrong in a religious debate is if they use the words "militant atheist" "militant" atheists call Christians dumb over the internet militant theists blow themselves up in market places, firebomb abortion clinics, and throw acid in women's faces.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;36289061]man, I barely even care about this shit compared to how much I want sanius to come back and fucking acknowledge that he made a mistake this isn't the first time he's just left when I called him out either[/QUOTE] What exactly happened to sanius? I remember him being fairly progressive and a lot of the liberals on the forum liking him, why is he suddenly hated by everyone?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36289060]Well I can't say it's definitely sexist I'll admit, but considering women are usually the victims of sexism rather than men, it's more reasonable to assume that a man would be sexist to a woman than a woman be sexist to a man.[/QUOTE] So you are making assumptions as to whether this man was being sexist or not, and indeed, how a lot of men in a similar situation may feel? Wow A+ argument you have yourself there.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36289096]What exactly happened to sanius? I remember him being fairly progressive and a lot of the liberals on the forum liking him, why is he suddenly hated by everyone?[/QUOTE] the thing is, he's RIGHT about so many things but simply fucking refuses to debate like a normal person

[QUOTE=Turnips5;36289141]the thing is, he's RIGHT about so many things but simply fucking refuses to debate like a normal person[/QUOTE] He's getting better though, he's stopped the dumb spam which is nice

[QUOTE=Turnips5;36289061]man, I barely even care about this shit compared to how much I want sanius to come back and fucking acknowledge that he made a mistake this isn't the first time he's just left when I called him out either[/QUOTE] I went to timmy's for lunch [editline]1[/editline] got a patty melt

[QUOTE=Sanius;36289234]I went to timmy's for lunch [editline]1[/editline] got a patty melt[/QUOTE] Let's get back to how condescending you are.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36289234]I went to timmy's for lunch [editline]1[/editline] got a patty melt[/QUOTE] nice

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36289072]Militant atheism isn't a thing. The quickest way to see when someone is wrong in a religious debate is if they use the words "militant atheist" "militant" atheists call Christians dumb over the internet militant theists blow themselves up in market places, firebomb abortion clinics, and throw acid in women's faces.[/QUOTE] Yea, I hate the term militant atheist. I'm just saying that antitheist is a good replacement for the word because it doesn't draw the parallel to militant theism and still makes it clear that the person is actively against religious views.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289292]Yea, I hate the term militant atheist. I'm just saying that antitheist is a good replacement for the word because it doesn't draw the parallel to militant theism and still makes it clear that the person is actively against religious views.[/QUOTE] Anti religion is probably a better term considering antitheist and atheist are the same thing.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289292]Yea, I hate the term militant atheist. I'm just saying that antitheist is a good replacement for the word because it doesn't draw the parallel to militant theism and still makes it clear that the person is actively against religious views.[/QUOTE] Woah woah woah, we're discussing Sanius here. Fuck off with your "on topic" shit, you loser.

Atheist Activism would also be a good term, but AA already stands of Alcoholics Anonymous and I don't think they would want to be confused with each other. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;36289318]Anti religion is probably a better term considering antitheist and atheist are the same thing.[/QUOTE] Anti religion doesn't have the same ring to it. Either way, antitheist and anti religion largely mean the same thing anyways.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;36289321]Woah woah woah, we're discussing Sanius here. Fuck off with your "on topic" shit, you loser.[/QUOTE] I like the sanius stuff though, the way it developed was like a wild west standoff, just without any amount of coolness that a wild west standoff would have.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36289318]Anti religion is probably a better term considering antitheist and atheist are the same thing.[/QUOTE] a- is not, anti- is against somebody who is asocial is not sociable, somebody who is antisocial goes against societal norms

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289327] Anti religion doesn't have the same ring to it. Either way, antitheist and anti religion largely mean the same thing anyways.[/QUOTE] Not really though, I mean you can be atheist and not be anti religion, never mind the fact that being anti theist seems more like you hate people who are theists rather than hating religion itself.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36289353]somebody who is antisocial goes against societal norms[/QUOTE] uhh, no, someone who is antisocial is someone who actively avoids social interaction and is incapable of respecting social contracts. They aren't "against" societal norms. Antisocial Personality Disorder is a fucking disease, not a lifestyle. Linguistically, "asocial" and "antisocial" are synonyms. "Antisocial," however, describes a specific psychological condition.