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[QUOTE=Sanius;36289353]a- is not, anti- is against somebody who is asocial is not sociable, somebody who is antisocial goes against societal norms[/QUOTE] No, according to the dictionary antisocial and asocial mean the same thing.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289381]uhh, no, someone who is antisocial is someone who actively avoids social interaction and is incapable of respecting social contracts.[/QUOTE] I was using an example of antisocial behavior not stating an absolute definition [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;36289393]No, according to the dictionary antisocial and asocial mean the same thing.[/QUOTE] because dictionaries define words as they are commonly used. antisocial and asocial are used interchangeably which is incorrect

[QUOTE=Sanius;36289397]I was using an example of antisocial behavior not stating an absolute definition[/QUOTE] Your example is wrong and you are wrong. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;36289397]because dictionaries define words as they are commonly used. antisocial and asocial are used interchangeably which is incorrect[/QUOTE] They are interchangeable outside of a medical context. Look who knows more than the fucking dictionary now! What was that about "nobody has the right to be condescending?"

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289381] Linguistically, "asocial" and "antisocial" are synonyms. "Antisocial," however, describes a specific psychological condition.[/QUOTE] No they aren't! Anti: Opposed to; against. A-: Negative, not Anti-Theist and Atheist are two separate terms. Anti-Theist is against Theism, while Atheist is without Theism.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289441]No they aren't! Anti: Opposed to; against. A-: Negative, not Anti-Theist and Atheist are two separate terms. Anti-Theist is against Theism, while Atheist is without Theism.[/QUOTE] "Antisocial" does not bean "against social." In common parlance it means "withdrawn, not social." In medical terms it means "incapable of being social."

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289422]Your example is wrong and you are wrong.[/QUOTE] This reminds me. Why is Sanius avoiding the fact he was condescending like you?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289441]No they aren't! Anti: Opposed to; against. A-: Negative, not Anti-Theist and Atheist are two separate terms. Anti-Theist is against Theism, while Atheist is without Theism.[/QUOTE] anti means both opposed and opposite, antimatter for example is not actively against normal matter for example.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289452]"Antisocial" does not bean "against social."[/QUOTE] Antisocial doesn't mean "without social" either. Antisocial means the behavior is "against society", which is consistent with the definition of the personality disorder.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289422] Look who knows more than the fucking dictionary now! [/QUOTE] it's common knowledge that dictionaries are sometimes technically incorrect because they define words as they are most commonly used

And that's one example anyways. Languages have exceptions and weird quirks to them. By the definition of Anti and A-, Asocial and Antisocial should be two different terms, even if they aren't.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289468]Antisocial means the behavior is "against society", which is consistent with the definition of the personality disorder.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't, it means they are incapable of standard social behavior i.e. not social or without social skills. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;36289472]it's common knowledge that dictionaries are sometimes technically incorrect because they define words as they are most commonly used[/QUOTE] But you're the authority on the matter, right? Pretty condescending.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289484]No it doesn't, it means they are incapable of standard social behavior i.e. not social or without social skills.[/QUOTE] Except someone can be very sociable but still have antisocial personality disorder...

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289498]Except someone can be very sociable but still have antisocial personality disorder...[/QUOTE] No they can't. They can pretend to be, but they are incapable of actually respecting social contracts. Extroverted sociopaths are still sociopaths.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289498]Except someone can be very sociable but still have antisocial personality disorder...[/QUOTE] But that is in a medical context

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289484] But you're the authority on the matter, right? Pretty condescending.[/QUOTE] yes I'm the authority on knowing the purpose of most dictionaries, which is to define words as they are commonly used

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289507]No they can't. They can pretend to be, but they are incapable of actually respecting social contracts.[/QUOTE] Social: "Of or relating to society or its organization" I don't get why social contracts has much to do with being sociable. Someone who is "without social" would not relate or take part in society. Someone who is anti-social behaves [i]against[/i] society, which can require active participation.

[QUOTE=Sanius;36289524]yes I'm the authority on knowing the purpose of most dictionaries, which is to define words as they are commonly used[/QUOTE] Yes you're an authority on blindly dismissing anything that contradicts you in any way. You are not, however, a higher authority on the syntax of the English language than the fucking [I]dictionary[/I].

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289532]Social: "Of or relating to society or its organization" I don't get why social contracts has much to do with being sociable. Someone who is "without social" would not relate or take part in society. Someone who is anti-social behaves [i]against[/i] society, which can require active participation.[/QUOTE] You're taking the conditions name far too literally.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36289548]You're taking the conditions name far too literally.[/QUOTE] You guys are using dictionaries and strict definitions to make your points, why can't I?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289532]Social: "Of or relating to society or its organization" I don't get why social contracts has much to do with being sociable. Someone who is "without social" would not relate or take part in society. Someone who is anti-social behaves [i]against[/i] society, which can require active participation.[/QUOTE] A social contract is a standard by which a society operates. That you do not randomly fondle people, for instance, is a social contract. Personal space is a social contract. Rights are social contracts. Someone with antisocial personality disorder is not actively against those things, they are simply incapable of understanding their significance. A [I]social[/I] person will engage others with respects to those contracts. An [I]antisocial[/I] person may or may not engage others within the bounds of those contracts, but they are incapable of fully respecting them.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289578]A social contract is a standard by which a society operates. That you do not randomly fondle people, for instance, is a social contract. Personal space is a social contract. Rights are social contracts. Someone with antisocial personality disorder is not actively against those things, they are simply incapable of understanding their significance.[/QUOTE] That's true, but that doesn't mean that someone needs to obey societal contracts to take part in society.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289603]That's true, but that doesn't mean that someone needs to obey societal contracts to take part in society.[/QUOTE] It doesn't. What the fuck are you even talking about? Antisocial individuals are still a part of society. They simply do not comprehend that fact. They aren't [I]against[/I] it, they are just [I]not social.[/I]

You're making my point for me. Someone who is antisocial is different than simply being asocial because someone who is antisocial has no way to respect the rules of society, and therefore acts [i]against[/i] society. Someone who is asocial simply doesn't take part in society. Also, you DO need to act contrary to society in order to be diagnosed with ASPD. That's part of the diagnosis. You can't say someone is a sociopath or psychopath unless they have acted in a way that would warrant the diagnosis.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289609]It doesn't. What the fuck are you even talking about? Antisocial individuals are still a part of society. They simply do not comprehend that fact. They aren't [I]against[/I] it, they are just [I]not social.[/I][/QUOTE] If they were "not social" they wouldn't be taking part in society. That's the definition of being social. Someone who is antisocial takes active part in society but their actions go against the rules of society.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289624]You're making my point for me. Someone who is antisocial is different than simply being asocial because someone who is antisocial has no way to respect the rules of society[/QUOTE] Only in a fucking medical context. Jesus fuck we've already been over this. In layman parlance they are synonyms. Dictionary, remember?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289644]Only in a fucking medical context. Jesus fuck we've already been over this. In layman parlance they are synonyms. Dictionary, remember?[/QUOTE] Ok, let's get to the dictionary then. A-: variant of an-1 before a consonant, meaning “not,” “without”: [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/a-?s=t[/url] Anti:a prefix meaning “against,” “opposite of,” “antiparticle of,” used in the formation of compound words ( anticline ); used freely in combination with elements of any origin [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti?s=t[/url] Antisocial and Asocial have different inherent meanings, even if they are used the same way by the average person. Your argument for asocial and antisocial being synonyms doesn't mean anything regarding the meaning of anti and a-. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] Being "without" is not the same as being the "opposite of".

Jesus fucking god you're arguing these semantics solely so you can condescend to people you think are condescending, you realize that right? [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] No-True-Scotsman bullshit.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289675]Ok, let's get to the dictionary then. A-: variant of an-1 before a consonant, meaning “not,” “without”: [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/a-?s=t[/url] Anti:a prefix meaning “against,” “opposite of,” “antiparticle of,” used in the formation of compound words ( anticline ); used freely in combination with elements of any origin [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti?s=t[/url] Antisocial and Asocial have different inherent meanings, even if they are used the same way by the average person. Your argument for asocial and antisocial being synonyms doesn't mean anything regarding the meaning of anti and a-. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] Being "without" is not the same as being the "opposite of".[/QUOTE] yes and the opposite of a theist, according to the term anti, would be an atheist, or anti theist as they are without a belief in god.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36289697]Jesus fucking god you're arguing these semantics solely so you can condescend to people you think are condescending, you realize that right?[/QUOTE] I never said anything about being condescending dude. You're dodging the point. You are changing the subject.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36289713]I never said anything about being condescending dude. You're dodging the point. You are changing the subject.[/QUOTE] You're continuing a point laid out by Sanius. If you aren't arguing his point, what are you arguing?